Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle State tourney signup forms....

I am sitting here feeling like an idiot because I have somehow managed to enter 2 high school state champions in the same bracket.

At our subdistrict meeting prior to the season, I was relieved to hear that we would not have to use those sheets anymore, because we were going to trackwrestling. Several weeks prior to the entry deadline I received the state packet that said we did need to use the signup forms. OK, waste of time, but we'll do what we're told.

We have a paper on the wall at our wrestling room that parents signup their kids on. Simple, Name, Age, Weight. I also get the subdistrict signup forms from the parents. A HS kid decides he is going to wrestle with us, and I make a phone call to another kid that had signed up at that weight, and ask him to move up from the weight he had on our signup sheet in the wrestling room. He is fine with it, so, he is entered on trackwrestling at the weight that he agreed to wrestle. The new kid is at the weight he wanted to wrestle. I forget to get the new form for the new weight, and we are stuck with having both of them at the same weight. Bottom line, it is my fault, but had we not had to fill out those forms, there wouldn't have been any confusion as to what weight was correct. The trackwrestling weight was correct. The form was now wrong, but we are stuck with it.

I guess this is a long winded attempt to gauge how many people think we really need those forms.

If my signup form on the wall in the wrestling room, and my phone calls with parents and kids isn't good enough, what are we trying to say, you don't trust club leaders to do what they are told by the kids and parents?

If Trackwrestling isn't good enough, then let's just go back to the old way, not do both.

These two boys are class acts, and they will laugh about it after they're done being angry, if they are angry at all, but it seems that we are overdoing things with all the paperwork. I know I'm not the only club leader that has more than enough on his plate without having to worry about those stupid forms.

Your thoughts??

Doug

Why didn't you move one up a weight or down a weight at the beginning of the meeting. You can move wrestlers up a weight or down a weight or even scratch them before the actual seeding part begins. You can't blame it on trackwrestling or filling out forms.

Long story short, but I opened my mouth when they got to this kid, and I said we were changing his weight, forgetting that I had already changed it in trackwrestling, and that of course triggered the look at the paper, which another guy on the club had in front of him, it was changed to the weight that was on the paper, which was handed in prior to the phone calls regarding moving him up earlier in the week. I am not pushing blame on anyone, I know I scrwed up, but if we used trackwrestling, and just asked if anyone wanted to move prior to the seeding meeting, and we could just say which ones to move, without having to produce a new signup sheet, it would much less confusing. We only entered 29 kids, I can only imagine how confusing it is for those clubs with 40,50 or more to enter, get signups sheets for, get new signup sheets for the ones that want to move, etc. Trust me, with having to organize our club's portion of running the Classic this week and weekend, it was pretty helter skelter.

This post isn't about who screwed this thing up. That was me. It is about getting rid of an unnecessary piece of paperwork.

I am sure one of the if not THE reason we use those forms is for liability waiver. If we would instead have every club furnish one of those to the state office for every competitor before a card could be issued I think we could get away from it. You would obviously do away with the weight indication and simply indicate the age and date of birth.
These type of situations that doug747 describes are called "correctable errors". These types of errors can be corrected without being detrimental to any other wrestler or causing harm in any way. I don't understand, we will hold up the start of tournaments for hours so we can change brackets for all those who didn't make weight, and cause long term harm to our sport by doing so, but we don't correct the few errors that cause none!

I vote that we allow Doug to move his wrester.

I don't know for sure, but I'm sure that the USA card that parents sign probably takes care of the liability issue.

I'm no attorney, just a common sense guy trying to keep up with all the BS that we are required to do to "help the kids". How about for once we "help the parents"??

If we ever want to get our wrestling numbers up, we need to start making it more affordable, and easier, to participate. Trackwrestling is a good thing, but we don't need the other paperwork BS along with it.

And while I am on this rant: Earlier this season I was getting help from you all on putting the kids on my team on the trackwrestling, so that when I enter them in a trackwrestling tourney, I only had to put in the 6 or 8 digit TW number, and it would instantly bring up all of that kid's info,(Name, Birth date, USA Card #, age group, etc) and all I needed to do was click on the correct weight. So last Wednesday, I figured I had about a 15-20 minute job of entering my 29 kids into subdistricts, and I'll be darned, I couldn't just type in that trackwrestling number, I had to enter ALL OF THE KIDS INFO again, for all 29 kids. If we are going to use trackwrestling, why don't we use ALL of its features? It was so nice entering trackwrestling tourneys after that one time of keying in all of the kids' info.

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I'd really be interested in replies from the people that are in charge of doing all of this entering, gathering signup sheets, answering the phone late at night and finding a piece of scratch paper to write down a weight change, etc., as they are the ones that really know the BS that goes along with entering kids in these qualifiers. Maybe I'm just lazy.

Jim, I appreciate the vote. We all know what the INTENT was. I was just too airheaded to catch it before it was too late. Again, I screwed up, let's get rid of the paper signup sheets!!

ps I feel bad, and would be doing my kids wrong if I didn't ask if there was some avenue to take to try to change it before Subs. Problem is, the weight class above will not like it at all, but there also may be a kid in that weight class that should be making a trip to Topeka in a few weeks, that may not. I don't even remember who else was in that bracket, so that is not a slight against anyone in that bracket.

I agree, Let him move him. and im not just saying that because im in the same boat jim is, but i think you should have been able to change it right there. we hadn't even seeded the bracket yet. No lie it would be awesome to see the matches between those top 4. but the bottom line is THEY ARE FROM THE SAME TEAM!

I can't agree with you more Doug....My wife was TICKED when she went to sign our kids up and found out she had to enter all their info AGAIN. We figured since we're using TW, we would utilize all the perks it has to offer.

Regarding your kids being bracketed together, we made two weight changes at our meeting and just scratched out the weight we signed in as, put the new weight down, and initialed it. We didn't have to fill out a new sheet. I'm surprised you wern't given that option.

Greg Pelland

I think the point is, we DO NOT need that sheet, period.

With kids moving around, it is much easier to just worry about putting him in the correct weight, without having to match the sheets to the computer, etc.

Oh well, maybe I have too many irons in the fire.

As bad as this situation was, it could have been much worse. What if doug747 had put one of the wrestlers in the wrong age backet and only noticed it at the meeting?

I agree

I believe that in Trackwrestling, if all of its features were used, would not allow a kid to be put in the wrong age group.

That is why we need to utilize all of its tools, and do away with the paper crap that has been used since who knows when.

Let me repeat, this was my fault and we have to live with it, but we are asking too much of the people that are doing the entries. I am sure that the subdistrict directors are sick of that form also. One more piece of garbage for them to sort thru