Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle Is This Legal?

There is a kid who has been at 14 and under for 3 years now,he wrestled 14 and under 100 this year atDistrict 4 i just think this should be checked out.

Thank You

you might want to put a name!

He took 1st at District 4 you do the math.
It would probably be nice to get this taken care of because im sure there is a 5th place kid willing to go to state.
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U got my curiosity up.
Did some research.

2002 8U 52 lbs.
2003 8U 55 lbs. State qualifier
2004 10U 58 lbs. 5th at state
2005 10U 64 lbs. state qualifier
2006 12U 72 lbs.
2007 14U 80 lbs. 2nd at state
2008 14U 90 lbs. 5th at state
2009 14U 100 lbs. District champion state qualifier

looks like he wrestled up in 2007 instead of wrestling at the top of the age group in 12U.

That is illegal correct?

That is illegal...lets take away his placing in 2007, would that make you feel better? I don't think it warrants kicking him out of the tournament this year.

ok well thank you beeson i just wanted to know if he was supposed to be in 16 and under this year or if he started 14 and under early and if anything could be done about it this year.

Rules are rules. It should be checked out at least. Maybe the coaches and parents didn't know better. If not then they need to be informed.
Not really fair to all involved no matter how you look at it.

so u guys are sayin that even though he is 14 and under, he shouldnt be wrestlin 14 and under cause he wrestled up in 2007? or u sayin he shouldnt have wrestled up in 2007? i dont see whats wrong

What is the difference in all the 6 and under boys wrestling at district in 8 and under and then wrestling sunday at 6 and under.
I think they should pick their true age and stay there. How many true 8 and under boys were knocked out because of that. And why do they get to wrestle in both? Lose one, try another? Just like their weight. There were too many boys that I know that dropped weight for a better position to go to state. These are only kids mostly 10 and under. Some dropped 9 lbs! How healthy is that? It's not the kid's fault-they don't think of dropping weight unless encouraged to do so.....

I believe what the original poster meant was to be sure that this wrestler is not supposed to be at 16 and under this year. He may have wrestled up the first year he was at 14 and under and was actually only in the 12 and under age bracket. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, unless for some strange reason it is stated in the rules that a wrestler can't wrestler up at subs, disrict, state. (I don't think so though, because of the six and under wrestlers who wrestle 8 and under.)

I would want to have his age clarified also if I saw this in my wrestler's bracket. However, as of yet, unless it has been in a pm to the original poster, it hasn't been.

Rules Modifications for Qualifying Tournaments
Rule 4
No additional age or weight classes are allowed. At no time will a wrestler be permitted to wrestle out of their age division unless it is specifically stated in these standing rules.

The divisions are 8 and Under, 9 & 10, 11 & 12, 13 & 14, and 15 & 16.

Saw that coming a mile away. Way to keep 'em honest Richard.

Richard, thank you for the information on the rules. That being said, why then is this wrestler at 14 and under for the third year. As I mentioned before, I think that is all KansasBoy is trying to find out. Is he actually 14 and under this year and the error was made back in 2007 (which of course can not be changed now), or should he be wrestling 16 and under.

I believe he is at the top of 14u..my son used to wrestle him years ago and they were alwasys the same age..so, that would make the issue 2007 when he should have wrestled 12u...

It is my understanding from these posts that you are not allowed to wrestle up in age brackets. It doesn't take a lot of common sense to see why. Look at the 10 and under 52 pound bracket, for example. There are only 8 wrestlers in the state bracket. There are a tremendous number of 8 and under 52 pounders who did not make it to state because they had packed brackets and were beat out at subs or districts. I remember as a kid seeing several of my buddies place at national tournaments or state tournaments with only 4 people in their bracket while I was slugging it out in 16 man brackets. That was the advantage they had in being 14 and weighing 80 pounds (or whatever it was). I bet there are a lot of 8th graders out there who would love to wrestle 103 in high school and try to be the first 5 time state champion in Kansas history.

If a rule was broken in 2007, the question is what to do about it now? Maybe there is an explanation. Whatever the case, it looks like the kid may be the first 3 time 14 and under medalist.

I think KansasBoy has a legitimate concern.

I just noticed this topic and did a little checking with our membership records. According to this wrestler's birthdate, he should compete in the 14U age division this year. If he competed in the 14U age group two years ago he was in violation of our rules in that year and should have been disqualified. Our rules do not penalize him this year for an infraction two years ago.

Well,

Here are the U12/80 pound State placers in 2007. That could explain a lot.

1st Levi Eck Brawlers
2nd Hunter Haralson Baldwin
3rd Dylan McKinney Paola
4th Regis Weiss III Russell
5th Wyatt Villers Ark City
6th Collin Sommers Derby

I believe it is quite clear why this boy decided to wrestle up instead of where he should have wrestled. He had an advantage...fewer kids...easier competition..better chance of placing?? That is the only time he made it to the finals....hasn't done so well the other years..when he actually has to wrestle the competition. I think it is really too bad that parents would allow their child to "cheat" ...just so they would have a better showing a state. It is even worse that a club would allow this to happen. How many other kids in this club were allowed to do this as well?? Might be something worth looking into. How do we keep this from happening again? Providing birth certificates at Subs? This might be something to be discussed at the State Body meeting next year.

However we do create an exception allowing 6U kids wrestling in 8U. USA Wrestling allows Cadets to wrestle Juniors as well. Perhaps in this case a closer look should be given to the birth records and verification should be made to insure that we don't have a case of an "altered" proof of birth.