Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Not a slam...

Further evidence of the pussification of America. Since the officials don't want to answer anymore questions we will just put it down here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVm6oTr3In0

That was considered a slam? Wow, I'm glad I'm not in high school now, because that was completely under control as he stepped through for the turk.

He executed the move as he was suppose to, and taught to do and somehow it is still illegal what a joke.

I feel the reason a officials decided to call that a slam was because they both left the mat and when he came down all his weight landed on the kid and now the officials are supposed to watch the safety of the wrestlers.

Dang Craig. That was embarrassing. Not a slam.

Looked like a good call from my point of view, he( the wrestler in controll) even lifted his left leg off the mat as if to jump to get full impact when they hit the mat.

"This seat reserved for non-wussies." Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell we needed him to ref this match this was a slam I'm still trying to find out when it actually happened?

the wrestler lifted his right leg off of the mat the put the leg in for the turk, and did intentionally lift a lef off the mat to slam the other wrestler.

HORRIBLE call in my opinion!

I personally think the better call would have been potentially dangerous while he had him in the air with his only supporting point taken away by the cross arm. As it really is a potentially dangerous situation.

On the other side I see where the illegal comes in, there was no need to drive his shoulder into the midsection of the other wrestler, so maybe not an illegal slam but still could be constrewed as illegal.

Either way it's over and done with, and it was his call.

From what I saw, one wrestler was far superior than the other. He probably had 10-15 moves that he could have used to put the other wrestler on his back. Why use this move, when he had so many more to choose from? Whether it was an illegal slam or not, I really don't know. Whether or not it was called for, I don't believe it was. If you are that much better than your opponent, just put them away and move on.

Jeez.....................

ok??? i've seen worse, i've seen better. i've seen slams that weren't called, i've seen a slip called a slam. who knows, the ref felt he made the correct call. it had nothing to do with the outcome.

You know, I just read what Alex said, 'it was his call'. If refs will not correct refs then Will is completely right, it is a good ole boy system. We all make mistakes and someone in the right position has to say so, or we never learn. Times are going to be tough in the future, we need to not make our kids wimps.

I watched it again (twice). Times are getting tough, and yes we do not want our kids to grow up to be wimps. What I see is a wrestler practicing a move against an opponent that doesn't have the ability to defend it. Practice your moves in practice and use them when you need them in a match. The cradle looked pretty effective, why not just use that?

So the new rule is do not use moves that are too advanced for your opponent. I agree, that is the way it should be. But, is it in the books?? Or, is it the coach's job to not send him into those kind of matches, very slippery slope. Enough said.

Here is what I am trying to convey. One of my pet peeves over the years has been a wrestler practicing a move against a kid that he could beat without having to do so. I don't like the take him down, let him up, take him down, let him up, take him down, let him up, take him down, let him up, etc. Practice your moves in practice, use them when you need to, but when you are decisively better than your opponent, make short work of them without possibly causing them injury. I don't have a dog in this race, I am just saying that you can beat an opponent that does not have your talent without beating them up.

Well said Lee. I have always told my wrestlers that the most humane thing you can do to a less talented opponent is to take them down and pin them as quickly as possible and get them off the mat. What do you accomplish in humiliating or hurting someone who can't defend themself. That is definitely a speech I give to my better wrestlers the first round of a tournament. They don't always follow my advice, but they are usually reminded of it when the match is over.

The wrestler was lucky his opponent got up! An uneccessary move could have cost a championship. Whether the move was legal or not, it was uneccessary. Did he not have the ability or technique to pin him when he had him on his back the first time? In the winners defense, he did the right thing after the penalty by not showing any emotion and just going to work for a quick fall.

Would it not be better for the experienced wrestler to also practice moves, and as well the less experienced wrestler would be able to look back at the tape to see how to get out of certain positions and how to defend himself better?

We should start a new rule. A wrestler must have compassion over an opponent with lesser skills. They must limit their offensive moves to single leg attacks and half nelsons only.