Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Caldwell/refs ruling

The refs screwed up the Caldwell match at Derby-Right before he pinned Stevens; Caldwell raisied his hand in the number one gesture and then the pin was called. Goddard, appropriately so, was charged one team point. Since the infraction occured before the pin- the pin should not have counted, Caldwell penalized a point and the match resumed in referees position.

I thought it was rather exciting watching Caldwell do it. I know your not supposed to do anything like that but it got his teammates fired up and crowd. He is rather exciting to watch! He young so the sportsmanship level will come as he gets older.

you can't just say that bad sportsmanship is acceptable because of age... all of these kids are in HIGH SCHOOL, they are supposed to be mature enough to have sportsmanship...they were taught it the very first time they ever played sports..and should definitely know by now how to act...it may of "fired up" his team but made the other fans shake their heads

In the scenario you describe, Goddard should not have been penalized a team point.

If the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was called prior to the fall, the penalty point is charged to the offensive wrestler. The action is to be stopped immediately, a point awarded to the defensive wrestler, and action resumed with the defensive wrestler in the down position. If near fall points had been earned prior to the penalty, the points are to be awarded to the offensive wrestler.

If the infraction occurred after the match, a team point would be deducted from the offending wrestler's team.

Richard - Is the critical time when the infraction occured or when it was called? What if you have 1) infraction 2) pin 3) ref signals infraction (this may occur when you have two refs on a match and the one looking for the pin doesn't see the infraction but the other one does.

If the unsportsmanlike call occurs from the start of the first period until the conclusion of wrestling by either a fall, technical fall, the conclusion of the third period or overtime period, you would have a match point.

If the unsportsmanlike conduct call occurs prior to the start of the match or after the conclusion of wrestling, it would be a one team point deduction.

I would suggest you ask Official 1 or Official 2 for the correct ruling.

Alex,
Richard is correct in what he's written.

There is a difference when you penalize unsportsmanlike conduct as it is connected to WHEN it occurs.
Like he said:
During the match = wrestler gets hit for the point.
Before or after = team get hit.

However, I don't think this is the place to be speaking of how/what a call was with specifics...

dang bronco you should of known that being a official of the year, well i guess you better stick with the novice wrestling till you read your handbook.

Most of us have witnessed athletes who NEVER learn sportsmanship, particularly when adults keep saying or implying through their actions, that unsportsmanlike behavior is acceptable. I say it is never too early to learn proper sportsmanship.

Is it really that big of a deal that he put up a number 1 sign i think if your walking through opponents like he is then he can do whatever he likes till someone knocks him off, personally i would like to see more of it, he's cocky for a reason because he is number one in his weight.

He's not ranked #1 though is he? Wasn't he ranked #5?

Im not sure but he would probally walk through all classes pretty easily.

Thats what I've been wanting to say...If he had done it in the finals of state would you all still bag on him like you are now?? if so then you would have to bag on all the people who have done things such as backflips after the state finals or point to there home crowd etc...I don't ever hear anything bad about that stuff...this was a big match for Caldwell and he got caught up in the moment...and were not coached to do things like that...we've never ment to offend anyone at anytime...

I don't think holding up the #1 sign after a win is unsportsman like, doing it to the crowd while you have your opponent in a pin hold is. I think he should be punished by having Coach Jilka sit on him.

I agree with mamasawn. A #1 gesture can be acceptable in certain scenarios, especially if it is done with sincere excitement and not gloating. It makes a very big difference when and how it is done.

MOVE ON! NEXT TOPIC!

oldtimeplayer i think he did earn his respect by pinning him and if your wrestling someone and your able to dominate him were you can hold up the number one sign I think he better respect him, or next time he can give him a wet willy before he pins him.

I am not sure why everyone has their knickers in a twist over JUST THIS incident, unless it is fueled somewhat by sour grapes about Goddard's success.

No where in the forum has the behavior of the BC wrestler vs Omaha Burke come up. It was a smaller weight, don't remember if it was 103 or 112. OMB beat BC and when they were to shake and get the hand raised, off comes BC's head gear and he doesn't stay to shake and makes a half-baked pass by the OMB coach. The OMB coach, and I was within hearing distance, simply told the BC kid he ought to not leave the ring before the appropriate "niceties" take place, I do believe the OMB coach caught the arm of the BC kid, in an effort to slow his exit, but it was in no way threatening or abusive (tho the OMB coach prob outweighed the lil' feller by a 100 lbs, could have been intimidating), but the BC coach and THEN the wrestler's dad! were over in the face of the OMB coach, MATSIDE!. The ref's were otherwise occupied by then in the next match, but it happened right there, matside. The BC coach AND the dad should have made the kid apologize, but instead, jumped to his defense. I haven't read ONE word about that lovely little dust up.

What about the AC kid that got all in Freeman's face after a tough defeat. Word overheard in the stands was the AC coach even warned the Goddard kid to stick to his folks, cuz the AC kid had a nasty temper. To his credit, he did come and apologize later. Good for him and good for the sport!

The 160 weight class had a loser who didn't even show up for the awards after a hotly contested match where he was visibly dissapointed, he's actually missing from the pix, so there is photo proof.

So, if it is a wrestler's misbehavior, it is a coach's responsibility to correct that behavior, hence the word "coach".

HOWEVER, fan behavior is different. A coach has his hands full at a tourney, he may be able to speak to the wrestlers about passing on to certain parents any corrections he thinks need to be made, but, as was the case last weekend, some of the unruliest fans were not parents of a wrestler. They may have been a team's supporter, but not family. They could have been anybody who paid their $5 to get in. If there was drinking, as had been alleged, then there is security for that purpose. If there were obscenities, there is security for that. Wrestling is supposed to be a family friendly sport and no one needs foul mouths or tipsy fans. If is was simply, as had been posted in another thread, disgruntlement at the decibel level of some team's supporters, how on earth do you suppose to regulate that? There were no airhorns, no cowbells, no shakers, simply voices raised in support. And, as the wrestlers will attest, it did spur on some performances.

There was plenty of misbehavior, and I am not excusing any of it, however, I do notice a bias among those commenting on this thread and a few others, that somehow only Goddard was unruly and somehow that it is a coach's fault. Coach Jilka is one of the finest men I know. He works hard to teach these kids about character, because he, like all coaches, knows that there is very little "career" in this sport, so what you take from it after all this work better be something more valuable. He has been a driving force in encouraging gentlemanly behavior in a rough and tumble sport. He is often the one to signal a kid to "calm down, keep it even tempered" when he sees the adrenaline ratcheting up. So, for people to besmirch his good name anywhere in this forum is incorrect.

It does reflect poorly on any school when a supporter misbehaves, and it makes the rest of us wish they would crawl under a rock, but to put that at a coach's feet is more burden than any coach needs.

Since BC and OMB are both Catholic schools,
that kind of behavior is especially
intolerable.