Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Losing Records in State Brackets by Class

321A
103- 3
112- 2
189- 1
215- 1
285- 1
Total- 8

4A
119- 1
125- 1
135- 1
145- 1
152- 1
Total- 5

5A
103- 3
112- 3
119- 1
125- 1
135- 2
140- 1
145- 1
152- 3
160- 2
171- 2
189- 3
215- 1
285- 2
Total- 25

6A
103- 4
112- 1
119- 2
125- 2
130- 3
135- 4
140- 2
145- 4
152- 1
160- 3
171- 1
215- 5
Total 32

321A 8 = 3.5% of qualifiers have losing records
4A 5 = 2.2% of qualifiers have losing records
5A 25 = 11.1% of qualifiers have losing records
6A 32 = 14.2% of qualifiers have losing records

So "Best" Class in '06-'07
4A
321A
5A
6A

These are based off the records in the State Brackets but I know they aren't all right, and I also didn't count the .500 records so these are truely losing records. Just thought since no one had done it yet this year I thought I would.

Curious as to the point of this topic?

It's just a break down of the losing records, I know it's a dead debate as to best class but just shows the number of losing records in the State Tournament.

yeah 4a is way tougher than any class

yeah right the top two teams in 5a could beat any other team
bishop carrol and st thomas bishop already beat goddard and andale not even close and norton would be pretty close but not that close.

I think it varies year to year weight class to weight class. Why not bring back a Grand State and see what class wins the most. There would be some fun matches to watch. Also the Senior Classic features 321A & 4A vs. 5A & 6A matches and they are usually really competitive.

CJ Wilson of Lincoln heads into the 3-2-1A State Tourney as a Regional Champ at 103 pounds with a record of 5-6. Credit Wilson for having a good regional tourney, but a 2-6 record before regions and a 5-6 record after - Sheesh!

I think the point he was making is 5A@6A coaches must be better at helping less experienced wrestlers improve and prepare for the postseason."It's not where you start it's where you finish."Otherwise just hand out trophies to the guys with the best records.

Less experienced? I think what it says is that bigger schools have more kids that want to play basketball based on the city way of life big schools deal with. It is sad that 5/6a teams have more people in their schools then some smaller classes have in their entire town. Not fielding full teams and seeing some situations of not even having to win a match to qualify for state is sickening!

but take the medal winners vs any other class by far

I'm not trying to start a fight... they are just numbers... I too beat this horse many times about who's better than who, the point is these are the records and they are just there to show this, I wasn't slanting the thing one way or the other. The "best" class thing was just the lowest number of losing records not the "best" class as terms of wrestling. They are just for fun enjoy them.... and I was bored tonight.

I'll take a guy that finishes 6th in 4a over a guy that finishes 6th in 6a.

Depth!

Let me tick everybody off, but 5th and 6th don't really count. You have lost twice you should be out of the tourney.

I'm going to take the bait. In what weight class will 4a have a tougher state champion than 5a or 6a?

152

i think it varies class to class...for example: i believe their are 3 wrestlers at 189 5A that would win any other classification.(mamie, elliot, evans)
you are probably correct about the 4A 152 bracket being tougher then the 5 or 6A. but the best 125lb in the state is probably tyler caldwell(6a).
i dont think their is much doubt that the keller brothers would win their respective weights in 4A.
depth wise you might have a bit of a point, but personally i think the champions in 5A and 6A are a littler stronger, or at least they will be this year.

This crap really gets old year after year after year! Is there really any wrestler that’s a loser? Isn’t there a common bond between men that have endured the rigors of a season from the first day of practice in kids program to their final match of their careers? To say these young men that have sub .500 seasons don’t belong! Shame on you! The majority of these guys belong just as much as you guys that are bashing them on these boards! Bronco what’s your JUCO record? Swayz what was you college record? You guys just don’t get it! Be happy for everyone that has an opportunity to participate in something they love! Get a clue!

Mark Miller

I think it depends if you are talking about the top 2 or 3 kids or depth. When you get into the top 2 kids or so I would imagine there is a good amount of balance since every class has its tough kids. When you talk about depth, such as getting into the 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. place kids. you may be able to say that class 4 is a toughest. I think really that argument could only be made once you start getting outside the top three or four in a class.

Maybe the point is that 5A and 6A brackets at regionals are 8 man brackets, while 4A and 321A brackets are 16 man brackets. All tournaments qualify the top 4. Although many smaller school brackets are not the full 16, neither are the 8 man brackets full. It stands to reason that wrestlers who would not qualify at a 4A regional could get through at a 5 or 6A regional. If you would like to argue this point you are certainly welcome to, but it would be a baseless argument.