Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Husker Vince,.... If the goal of the program is to give an opportunity to those who otherwise would not try it, great. I think we should do anything we can to stimulate more interest.


Will, this is my primary reason why I think the programs are good for high school wrestling in Kansas. I think anything we can do to stimulate more participation is great and I believe these programs would get some kids started who might otherwise not get involved until high school. By that time I would agree with Travius that it is getting to be a little too late for most of them and it would be better to keep them involved in high school to have them start earlier in 6 thru 8th grade rather than waiting to start as a freshman. I think the Shawnee Mission, Blue Valley and Olathe school districts could really benefit in their high school wrestling programs if they would start getting more middle school kids introduced to the sport.

 Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Husker Vince,
Maybe, maybe not. The MS wrestling in our area of the state, for the most part is basically novice level. Their is no standard for the season, not many weekend tournaments, and no team score was kept when schools dualed. The coaching, for the most part, is not very good and the wrestling I witnessed was what you would expect from 6U at a USA weekend event.... The problem is that these programs think that those who have been wrestling since they were six should also partake. These wrestlers do not fit in. No one gains when the match is 15-0 or a first period fall. These same experienced wrestlers are not allowed to compete on weekends, during the school's designated season, in USA or other non-school sponsored wrestling events. An experienced wrestler, such as your son was, might get four or five competitive matches in a two month season. If he was not in the program he could get twenty to thirty competitive matches. I subscribe to the wrestling the best makes you better philosophy and MS is about as far from that as you can get. The kids that need the program then harass the experienced wrestlers as do some of the coaches to participate. I believe the MS programs would be stronger and improve greatly if the experienced kids wrestled but not by wrestling inexperienced kids at the events. The practice rooms could use the experienced kids as could the coaches who haven't been exposed to some of the higher levels of wrestling that these experienced kids have been involved in. However, should these kids give up their opportunity to get better? I don't believe so. Again, another example of KSHSAA oppression \:\)


I know my son did experience a similiar situation as a freshman in high school because due to the competitiveness of the Aquinas wrestling room he had to wrestle JV for most of his freshman year. Most of the matches were of the nature that you described and it was very much like wrestling novice for him. He did have a practice advantage to the middle school situation that you described in that he was able to practice his freshmen year with the Aquinas varsity. Although he did not benefit much from all those less than 1 minute pin matches his freshman year and it was difficult for us as parents to watch, I will have to say that he really did enjoy the season. The reason he did was because he was spending his Saturdays with other freshmen at the JV meets and he was relating very well to his new classmates. He really was happy being part of that JV team as a freshmen. That was more important to him as a freshman than progressing to the fullest extent as a wrestler in his freshman year. He had no aspirations beyond high school wrestling as a freshman and it was more about fun and being a teammate with kids he liked. I know from that experience that if he had gone to a public middle school with a wrestling team or if there was a CYO wrestling league option at the grade school that he attended that he would have made the choice to be part of that team. I agree with you though that I wish the middle school kids who have a lot of experience also had the option to practice and maybe even occassionally wrestle outside the middle school competition as long as it did not conflict with the school schedule of competition. If Jacob had been part of a middle school or CYO team, we would have gone that route (if it had been allowed by the governing bodies of each organization) but during the season we would have encouraged him to give the middle school schedule preference if there were conflicts. In fact we would have insisted on it before we would have allowed him to work with both teams.


Vince Nowak
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