Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers

Aside from Romero Cotton (from Hutchinson), are there any other Kansas wrestlers who are legitimately and realistically expected to breeze through their competition at state in their quest for a championship? (i.e. meaning any defeat would tantamount to the defeat the biblical giant Goliath suffered at the hands of David)

Would Kyle Detmer be considered in that elite category?

Kyle Detmer

How about Aldon Isenberg?

Any other undefeated wrestlers? I think these guys are...

Bach - LB
Randall - PV
Maple - WH
Baker - SME
Ribelin - RV
Beard - GD
Napier - CO
Isenberg - GE
Cotton - HT
Detmer - BC
Keller - BC
Keller - BC
Ornellas - CH
Elliott - AC
Disney - SH

I think sharky slyter lost this year to callahan..

Sharky is 1-2 against Callahan. All three matches were really close (2-6, 3-4, and 5-4). Callahan's only loss is to Slyter so far this year.

Joe Bach is a definite candidate. No one in 5A will touch him at 215. I saw him pin a couple of opponents using only one arm. He is a beast!! By the way, I just watched, I didn't video tape or record his dominance!

Cokeley:

"If" ... my aunt had different anatomy, she'd be my uncle ... with that disclaimer out of the way, I'll nonetheless pose the question: "IF" ... Romero Cotton were to wrestle Joe Bach (or for that matter, Racette or Kober) how do you think that match would turn out?

Romero!

24/7

Kyle Detmer is definitely included in this elite category

How far would Detmer need to bump up before he would face some real competition (i.e. 160 lbs, 171 lbs, etc...)

Fisher, Tapia, Flynn and Watson are real competition. He'll face plenty of competition in OKC at the Junior Duals!

Chief:

It's not that I'm dismissive of the "competition" that you mention. I'm seen each young man (mentioned by you) wrestle and am convinced that they are all steller wrestlers. (I should also note that Fisher was pinned in the 1st period by Detmer and, for some reason, forfeited his next opportunity to redeem himself)But in any of these potential match-ups, I would venture a guess that Detmer is the odds-on favorite to win ... decisevely. Little intrigue or mystery would likely surround the outcome. That is the point ... An argument can fairly be made that Detmer has, too date, sufficiently distanced or separated himself from the pack. As has Romero Cotton. I was just wondering if there are others out there that I'm not aware of who enjoy similar notoriety.

I was also curious as too just how good is Romero Cotton. Could Kansas' best 215 lbs wrestlers give him a pretty good run for his money, or would he dominate them as well? I have not seen these guys wrestle, and at least in Kober's case, I'm aware that he bumped up to face the likes of Disney - record be damned! (which I always admire) and according to your rankings, Bach & Racette are ranked ahead of Kober!

Respond if you like.

I saw Romero bump up to 215 for a few duals in OKC for the Junior Duals last July. He can beat many of them, but the top 215 guys are too much. Of course one of those was Deron Winn. Kober and Racette are solid upper level wrestlers, but Joe Bach is a cut above them. I believe Romero would struggle to beat Bach. I would like to see Detmer wrestle Bonewell, although getting back to that Fisher match, I think it would be much closer next time.

I really hope we can get our top guys to stay together for the Duals in July. They have a real chance to make a run at the big dogs in Pennsylvania and Illinois.

Chief:

Re: Fisher/Detmer: For the time being, let's ignore "next-time". What happened "last-time? What happened? The queation remains whether Fisher "ducked" Detmer at the finals. The evolution (devolution) of this match-up is less than clear. Did Fisher qualify for the championship and bow out at the prospect of again facing Detmer ... or was he injured. What happened?

Is that personal attack you so badly want to avoid on this forum from other adults as bad as the personal attack you are launching against a high school kid on this thread. I learned long ago that is is easy to question the illness or injury of a high school kid, but never right. He is a kid and if he says he is too sick or hurt to wrestler and he and his coach/parents decided to default, then it is not my concern.

i know he just lost on Saturday, but is anyone else going to challenge Zlatnik for the rest of the year?

RJWI:

It's not that I "so badly" want to avoid anything! What did I say: "No matter how, idiotic, ill-conceived, or not well or little thoutht-out) my comments may appear to you ... I'm entitled to my opinion ( By the way: not that I care if you agree or disagree. I really don't!)

Always remember coach: it's an opinion ... it may have some merit or not. I was not there. I don't know. I'm open to more informed opinions. If he (Fisher) says that he is sick... who am I to disagree (I have not heard nor to my knowledge,that Fisher was too sick to to go forward)

It could be (If he says that he was sick (and I am aware that there was a virus going around) that I have got to take him at his word - if that is his word.

Here is what I know: He had a another shot at Detmer. He chose to not take advantage of it. It was the finals of a tournament. He forfeited. I don't know why.

If that - in your opinion - is a personal attack. So be it!
Maybe, as guys like you see it, this is a personal attack. that was not my intent. Give me an explaination to the contrary. I'll consider it. That aside, don't expect me to cowtow to your "opinion" (although, I'm not sure what it was). I just won't. Sorry, coach!

Svo69 if you are so interested why don't you call the Fischers and ask them what the problem was instead of posting uninformed opinions about a high school kid on the forums.

Knowing Brent Fisher, he has never ducked anybody. If you met him or watched him work in practice, you would feel the same way.