Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School 4A Rankings - January 25th

1 Colby
2 Clay Center
3 Andale
4 Abilene
5 Chanute
6 Scott City
7 Columbus
8 Wichita Independant
9 Concordia
10 Ulysses

103 Konnor Kriss Colby 9
103 Luke Cole Abilene 12
103 Austin Hood Louisburg 9
103 Hunter Stalford Caney Valley 9
103 Taelor Mendenhall Concordia 9
103 Alex Wolf Smokey Valley 9

112 Kenneth Ornales Chanute 12
112 Taylor Moeder St. James 10
112 Alan Callhan Baldwin 12
112 Nathan Reed Colby 11
112 Paco Antillon Scott City 11
112 Bo Newport Prairie View 10

119 Zac Sparr Rose Hill 11
119 Logan Singular Clay Center 11
119 Nathan Furches Clearwater 12
119 Robbie Hines Ulysses 10
119 Travis Janzen Hesston 12
119 Tim Wrestler Chanute 10

125 Derrick Weller KC Piper 11
125 Symon Seaton Basehor-Linwood 10
125 Alex Bontz Wichita Independent 9
125 Brandon Charbonneau Clay Center 9
125 Kyle Johnson Columbus 10
125 Zach Peters Augusta 12

130 Ryne Cokeley St. James 10
130 Derek Schnittker Hugoton 11
130 Nick Collins Augusta 10
130 Colton Duhr Andale 10
130 Anthony Negrette Buhler 11
130 Trevor Williamson Wichita Independent 12

135 CJ Napier Columbus 12
135 Tyler Anderson Clay Center 11
135 James Medlin Hesston 12
135 Bryce Hood Louisburg 11
135 Matt Grier Wichita Independent 12
135 Anthony Whitley Labette County 11

140 Cameron Jesseph Chanute 12
140 Cody Bontz Wichita Independent 11
140 Cody Hill Hugoton 10
140 Matt Brock Tonganoxie 12
140 Zach Reeb Jeff West 12
140 BT Ohara Columbus 10

145 J. Hattabaugh Andale 10
145 Quinton Wuthnow Abilene 12
145 Morgan Numrich Scott City 11
145 Chris Coover Ottawa 11
145 Josh Rodriguez Ulysses 11
145 Trent Robb Perry-Lecompton 10

152 Derek Newell Ulysses 12
152 Nathan Sommer Prairie View 12
152 Willie Eck Andale 12
152 Derek Soucie Wichita Independent 12
152 Ethan Stickle Colby 11
152 Lukius Stacy Chanute 12

160 Benny Armstrong Andale 11
160 Ryan Wuthnow Abilene 12
160 Andrew Flanagin Colby 10
160 Cameron Leupold Hiawatha 10
160 Zach Anderson Clay Center 11
160 John Hambleton Labette Co. 11


171 Breck Arnberger Colby 12
171 Tyler Hassenbank Concordia 12
171 Jake Price Caney Valley 12
171 Chaston Hoeme Scott City 12
171 Cole Geison Holton 12
171 Noel Richardson Chapman 12

189 Joel Marrs Clay Center 12
189 Darnell Bortz Pratt 12
189 Treat Bugbee Colby 12
189 Dylon Walker El Dorado 12
189 Dylan Bowman Wellington 12
189 Zach Grimes Osawatomie 10

215 Tanner Kriss Colby 12
215 Michael Patenaude Clay Center 12
215 Kendall Pierce Circle 12
215 Taylor Wuthnow Abilene 11
215 Levi Kindel Concordia 12
215 Chase Kreutzer Pratt 12

285 BJ Finney Andale 11
285 Tank Burns Columbus 11
285 Adam Weber Colby 11
285 Tyler Gjerstad Abilene 11
285 Dennis Devader Holton 12
285 Dakota Denny Caney Valley 10

at 215 taylor wuthnow of abilene beat levi kendel of concordia in the abilene concordia dual and at beliot

Yep, I meant to switch those two but must have forgot when I mover Taylor from 189 to 215. Thank you for the correction.

Wasn't 145 Trent Robb from Perry-Lecompton ranked higher at the beginning of the year?

is there any way that whoever does the rankings could add current records. makes it a little more interesting.

Only if coaches sent in the records. It would be very difficult to keep a win-loss tally for the rankers let alone have there rankings currently updated.

Yes, it would and is very difficult. It would amount to a full time job. I realize that there are people out there that could handle it but I can admit that I know my limits. Perhaps my successor will be able to take on this feat. Also, I did not update because I was not made aware of any major movements in terms of head to head. Yes, there were some good suggestions made but it will again be updated on Sunday, then prior to Regionals and then of course prior to State. Yes, that is correct, only three weeks left to the high school season!!

I think some of you guys take the rankings to heart a little to much. Mr. DeWitt you do a good job at your rankings. So just wait in three weeks we all will know who is #1,2,3,4,5,&6.

Records don't mean a thing, in my opinion. Look at the kids placing in the top two at Garden City with 5 or more losses. The level of competition that you see will prepare you much more for the post season than wrestling competition that you will walk through. I would MUCH rather have a kid with 8 losses in a tough schedule coming through the backside at the state tournament than a kid who went in undefeated with lots of dual forfeits and a weak tournament schedule. The kid with the losses has always had his back against the wall coming through.

at 160 ethan mumaw has beaten cameron leupold twice in the last 2 weeks

Do you count dual forfeit and bye on your record? Our coach dosent...What about inj default in the bracket to place? Last year at Beloit Weigel inj default to six and those lost's were not on his state bracket.Just asking.

Personally, I feel if you don't wrestle it doesn't count. If you shake hands and start the match then whatever happens counts on your record. If you have no opponent then you cannont win. If you don't step on the mat you cannot lose. I know coaches who count dual or tournament forfeit wins towards lettering criteria and that is justified since you earned your team points but they are not true wins.

That being said, I have seen coaches count anything they can to get a seed. The whole seeding process in high school has been such an eye opener. Purely, seeding SHOULD be used to seperate the best wrestlers. I have seen some of the goofiest criteria ever. Freshman can't be seeded, last year's tournament placing is more important that last year's state placing, last year's head-to-head doesn't count, placing at 103 doesn't mean anything, yada yada yada. Coaches can become real cunning in a seeding meating. The true spirit of the sport is lost when that starts happening. The best wrestler always gets first but when the two best end up on the same side of the bracket it isn't fair to anyone from 2nd on down. Coaches should use common sense to seperate the two best and then use criteria if needed.

Seeding meetings get quite confrontational too. Why in the world would you use a mat official to run one of these? All that does it create a situation where a coach and the mat official butt heads. Don't even try to tell me that the mat official won't remember that and take it to the mat. An AD or other non-coach figure should be use to manage the seeding meeting.

I understand the no match no win concept - There though has been times where during a dual a coach may not send a wrestler out to wrestle even though he has one at a certain weight. Should the kid that went out to the mat be punished on his win / loss record in a case like this. At a dual meet some time back there where three teams, at one of the weights all three teams had wrestlers. In one of the duals they wrestled but when came time to wrestle the other team neither team would send their wrestlers to the mat "One coaches comment was it would be like sending the chickens to the wolf". But again when we get close to regionals and state after everyone regular seasons are wrapped up how to some kids have these 40 + match seasons with mostly wins - If they are that good most their tournaments would consist of 3 or sometimes 4 matches?

I understand the "cheap" win issue and the inconsistency in the way coaches record their wrestlers records. I have come to the conclusion that if a wrestler scores team points, he records the victory. Otherwise, when recording team points you would have to add those points to another match in order to have an accurate count for that wrestler. This does not count BYES in tournaments!

make them all round robin tournaments and skip the seeding, hahaha. no one has ever state title at a seeding meeting, they have to wrestle for it.

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I've been at double duals when a kid has won over another earlier in the season, but is to hurt to wrestle that kid again in the dual. Yet, can wrestle in the other dual with no problem against a lesser opponent. Might of had something to do with regional seedings?

Nice post Coach.

103

1 Austen Hood
2 Hunter Stalford
3 Luke Cole
4 Konnor Kriss
5 Alex Wolf
6 Taelor Mendenhall

My predictions.