Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle question for districts

I was just wondering if there is five boys going into districts. Will it be a eight man bracket sheet or will they do a five man round robin?

If the tournament director is on their toes they will make it a round robin because if they bracket it as a 8 man and one wrestler scratches they have to rebracket, per the rules, into a round robin anyway.

I was told it would be a 8-man bracket, the reason i was told, was to avoid the tie braking rules if the round robin had a tie in it, they can be confusing

Section III of Kids Constitution dealing w/ the Qualifying Tournaments provides as follows:
"Rule 10-4:
In the event of a bracket with three or four wrestlers, there will be a round robin. In the event of a two-man bracket they will wrestle the best two out of three matches."
Although it isn't specifically stated in our Constitution this has always been read to mean that if the bracket has 5 or more it is not a round robin.

Well in case of a tie don't the add up points and pins to figure out the winner then. I think a round robin would be better, because the wrestlers get the opportunity to wrestle more matches for the to place.

your right more matches would be better,but the tie brakers can seem unfair to most,case in point
Nathanial in one tourny was in a round robin and there was a 3 way tie for 1st, he got third and the boy that got 1st he beat,but like you said the points gave it to the other kid,and thats were it may seem unfair to alot of people, so to avoid this in a 5 man situation they use a 8-man braket,no ties this way.

Barry,
As you stated the constitution doesn't say that it has to be a 8 man bracket for such and if I was the tournament director I would make it a round robin. That is why I raised the question at the state meeting two years ago about rebracketing the day of the tournament when you had scratches that brought a bracket down to a 4 man bracket. It was the opinion of the body that anytime after the seeding that a bracket drops to 4 or less wrestlers that a bracket WILL be rebracketed to a round robin. I don't agree with that opinion but I would abide by the rule of the body. Therefore, if I'm the tournament director, in order to prevent the possible rebracketing the morning of the tournament I would put the 5 wrestlers in a round robin.

So if they put it in a eight man bracket does the the first place finshers in each district get a bye or does one of them have to wrestle. For example.
one district has only one wrestler the other has four. So who would wrestle who?

My son was in a 5 man bracket for sub-dist. and it was in an 8 man bracket.

Call one sub-district N and the other S, the bracket would look like this:

N-1st
S-4th

N-3rd
S-2nd

N-2nd
S-3rd

N-4th
S-1st


The buys would fall in their normal spots. If the N sub only had two representatives then the N-3rd and N-4th slots would be buys.

Picking up on another thread…one reason that the 5th and 6th place matches were wrestled at sub-districts was to fill out these brackets. In this case, as allowed by some districts, the buys could be filled by the 5th and or 6th place wrestler(s) from the competing sub-district. I think this is a good policy, as it allows the kids another opportunity to compete.

If you wrestle all of your five man divisions in round robin format, be prepared to extend the length of your day. Doing the math there are 20 matches in a five man round robin and only 6 matches in eight man bracket with three buys.

My bad...there are only 10 matches in a five man round robin.

It doesn't matter if the day is a little longer as long as it is made fair to all that wrestle. I would like to have a couple more matches.

I don't think it is right to add kids that got beat out of there district to another district. The only ones that should advance to state are those that placed. It's not any of the kids faults that there brackets were not full.

Sportmom,

I thought you wanted more matches? I guess I am confused.

The 5th and 6th place kids competed hard and if a slot is available at the District level it makes since to fill it. I do not think all four districts follow this rule, but it is a gray area that has been allowed in District 1 as long as I have been around.

I do want more matches but I don't think it is right to let kids in that didn't place.

I disagree with you. I believe they should attempt to fill out the bracket.

From the USAW-KS Kids Constitution:

Section III, Part B, Item 6

"6. The District State Director and his/her two Assistant State Directors will determine the number of qualifiers from Sub-District to District. Each District will have this responsibility."

These wrestlers did place...just not in the top four. It would be difficult to follow this rule unless your Sub-District wrestles off for 5th place, which District 1 does.

I think it is good judgment to fill the bracket.

Mark I think there may be some confusion here. Are you taking the 5th and/or 6th place finishers from one sub and putting them in the district bracket as being from the other sub if it didn't have 4 qualifiers? Or, are you just wrestling off to 5th and 6th in case of the 4 placers ahead of them in that sub cannot make the district tourney?

Sportsfan02,

Yes, it is my understanding, that under the currant rules a 5th place finisher from one sub-district can take an unfilled slot of the competing sub-district in the district tournament.

The governing rule I pointed out in my earlier post gives the District leadership the latitude to make these decisions. As long as our leadership consistently follows the guidelines, it is good policy to fill the district bracket.

However, at the next level, no more that 4 qualifiers can come from any "one" district. The USAW-KS Kids Constitution also covers this scenario.

If one sub has only one entry and picks up the 5th placer from the other side, does this 5th placer get the 2nd seed in the unfilled bracket(thereby drawing a match with the 3 seed, while the 4th placer goes against the 1 seed)?