Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Stall Call at Derby? Same move Metcalf hits @ 4:11

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/speak...ller-iowa-state

I want to say that I was very appreciative of the officials at Derby taking the time to go on the mat with me during the break and have a discussion about a rule in wrestling. In the past it has been very difficult for some officials to open up and have these types of discussions, but these officials put their pride aside to discuss the move. I wanted to post the situation and see what others thought as well.

Daniel Deshazer gets a takedown where the wrestlers leg was trapped high. We all know that the wrestler has a certain amount of time to let the trapped leg down before a stall call will be awarded. However, we have been working a new turn from this position that I first saw on Flow wrestling that Brent Metcalf used in the Iowa v. Iowa State dual.

Daniel was hit for stalling for not letting the leg go, however, he had put both of his legs in, scissored the legs and was working a whip to a cross face to turn him. During the match I stated to the official that I did not believe this was a stall call as we are working a turn from there and not just riding. Daniel also had a leg in as well and was using the move to make action. He said he had never seen that before and wanted to discuss it later and we did. He was very easy to work with and I believe it was a growing point for both of us.

The move happens at around 4:11 in the video above. Metcalf is allowed to keep the foot locked for over 20 seconds because he is working a turn.

Daniel was in the exact same position and working the exact same thing except he hit the turn a lot faster and was trying to reset and hit it again when he was hit for stalling. I just wanted to put this video out there to see that this turn is out there and being used in college and upper level competition. I call it a Metcalf actually when I teach it. Tell me what you guys think.

Mr. Wright, Richards, Hernandez, Alley... Thanks for taking the time to discuss this with me. If you see this, you might be able to get a better visual of what I was talking about.

Coach Church

great deal, a step forward for all involved, i too noticed this turn and have been working on it with some of the advanced kids in our club.

After watching this match id bet he deserved the stalling call.

Wow,how many shots did the other kid take during the match? One legit shot in three periods and Deshazer was the one stalling?

Maybe you need help watching this match let me break it down for you.
watch the first 44 seconds he did nothing at all, no movement no angles did not try to work anything at all.

The official restarts the match at 1:14 he does not move at all for 4 seconds just frozen.

At 2:03 He looks at his coach instead of pursuing after an escape.

2:05 to 2:09 frozen again

2:21 he stands frozen on the mat until 2:40
3:07 walking backwards
3:09 walking backwards
3:12 walking backwards
3.15 now just stepping backwards
3:22 still waling backwards
3:30 takes three steps back and stands up
3:57 takes 5 steps toward his coach while the official is waiting on him.
4:05 frozen on whistle for 3 seconds
4:11 to 4:17 walking backwards
4:38 frozen for 4 secs off whistle
4:56 walking backwards
4:57 to 5:02 frozen
5:03 walking backwards
6:08 official stops match for out of bound
6:13 Lamar at the line waiting
6:19 makes it back to the line
6:20 to 6:24 stands frozen
6:25 to 6:30 fleeing the mat
6:38 to 6:42 off the whistle frozen
6:43 6 short steps backwards
6:48 stands up and takes 3 steps backwards
6:53 take 6 more steps backwards
7:22 frozen off the whistle
7:26 two steps backwards

The match ended by a point Deshazer won. With out a single warning for stalling. He was frozen off of every whistle he took more steps backwards than Michael Jackson in the 90s and did not even get a warning. Was very slow to get back to every line. In the finals at one of the Best Tournys in the state against an undefeated wrestler the officials should call it better than that!!!!!!!!!!!

Standing in the middle of the mat while the other wrestler bounces around five feet away without engaging you is not stalling!Nice breakdown but how many takedowns were attempted by the other wrestler? How many times did Deshazer drive the other wrestler off the edge of the mat looking for a takedown?

Jason Murdock

Confident wrestlers don't move their feet. They are daring their opponent to shoot. Napier…
lucas b baker you have a lot to learn.

I don't necessarily agree that good wrestlers don't move on their feet. I do agree that Mr. Baker has a lot to learn. This was not a very exciting match, but it was not because Deshazer was stalling. There were two different wrestling (body) styles out there that made it difficult for either one to wrestle very effectively. I don't think either was stalling, two good wrestlers that stayed in good position.

Maybe not. I saw the match live. I was disappointed. I wanted both of them to shot more. And, the few times they did shoot - it was EXCITING. The quickness of DD is unbelievable! Had me believing he could have gotten 10 TD's if he merely would have take the shots rather than stand around as Baker broke down above. I wish the ref would have hit BOTH the wrestlers for stalling SEVERAL times if need be to simply get them to wrestle, rather than dance. I went to watch wrestling, not dancing. Again, see Will's Cheesehead Finals posted on this forum. Tons of wrestling. Sometimes forced by the refs MAKING them wrestle or they got hit with much deserved stalling calls. If we want to 'sell tickets' and keep our great sport alive - then encourage more ACTION. I pay to see wrestling. Not a chess match or dancing. No disrespect to the two wrestlers involved. They could both kick my old tail, any time, any day, any place. But, they are good and I just wish they would open up and put the 'pedal to the floor'. Maybe the semis were more exciting. Maybe I'll go to those instead next year . . .

To refute your 'good wrestlers do a lot of standing around' idea, watch Napier vs. Maple on youtube. Tons of movement. Tons of excitement.

Finally, yes Beesom - I agree to some extent and see your point. Can staying in 'good position' and being 'too cautious/defensive' be two different things?

Again, no disrepect to the wrestlers. It just kind of reminded me of a 9 inning baseball game. 5 minutes of action 'packed into' a three hour game. I viewed this match as 15 seconds of action, packed into a 7 min plus match. I just wanted/expected to see more action. Oh well, maybe next time.

Tell you what I am from Abilene Kansas Sate Champs 98 and 99 we took ten to sate and 9 of of placed. We had 5 guys from that team go to college and wrestle including myself. 3 of them were all americans several times. My Dad has been a wrestling coach since 1987. Please tell me what i have left to learn?

please watch this confident wrestler move his feet the entire match.

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/speak...ller-iowa-state

Jason clearly he should have a a warning or two. You can keep walking backwards. If he had a good coach he would light a fire under this kids but and make him work. I agree when he tried he looked great. But not moving at all off of every Wistle is just plain Stalling.

So the guy who coached Maple, who is starting at OU as a freshman, and Nelson, who is tearing through juco wrestling as a freshman, is not a good coach?? Interesting conclusion. . . What a great argument

Lucas, apparently you need to learn how to make an unbiased call. The official didn't see it as stalling. Coach Church was talking about a totally different scenario on stalling. You are the only one that has a problem with the match. In my opinion the official would have had to call stalling on both wrestlers, not just one. Look at it objectively.

Whose not a good coach?

Stalling on both wrestlers. Coach Church is an excellent coach is my two cents worth.

Coach, or anyone, at what time mark does that "Metcalf" action occur in the Derby match? Maybe I'm not watching the right video. (I see now it wasn't in the finals, never mind.)

As you know, in high school, by rule, if your opponent is broken down on the mat you can only hold the heel to the butt for 5 seconds. College doesn't have that rule so if you are going to use "the Metcalf" you've got to be pretty quick or you are going to be running into the 5 second rule. I assume that's what the refs told you or something similar.

you have obviously never watched Napier he never stops moving his feet

I was coached Hustle. Taking 8 seconds to get back to line would have cost My team 3 man rolls on Monday. Not moving off the whistle would of cost my team 3 man rolls. When he moved he looked like a stud. When the Whistle Blew he looked like a statue. If i only took one shot in the first period and stalled the rest of the match.

I know that the OP has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I just thought it was funny this guy was complaining about a Stalling call. When his kid did nothing for 3 periods the same tourny.

The move in the video is real Slick i wish i knew it ten years ago. And the set up for the half a cement job is pretty slick too. But fact is he cant get it done in 5 seconds. So i would try to get the kid to show a little more work ethic so he can go to college and try that move.

Bottom Line this Offical was ready to go home. But a kid that stnads Frozen off the Whistle every single time and spends half the match walking backwords should have been Warned at least once.