Okay, let me ask this? I was at Derby and I thought that if a kid got taken down and put on his back, he would have the chance to fight off of it.I'm not saying straight on his back. I know it's 2 seconds and it's a pin. I stood and looked at two matches where the kids went to roll thru and the ref.. called him pinned. Both coaches told the ref.. that the pin was called fast. His reply was that if both shoulder blades hit the mat at the same time it was a pin.I disagree with that. My boy has been wrestling for five years and I've been around kids wrestling for about twenty years, and I have never seen a ref.. call it like that. I'm just wondering what you all think??