Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Kansas Rule Changes 2012

No that just ensures that wrestlers that are not a elite or higher level get one match a tournament and don't get the chance to improve by wrestling others at their level.

Yeah, let's increase the host school's expenses while giving spectators even more reason not to attend!

glad to know sporto is such a fiscal hawk!

Can we make the Dual State Championship a proposed rule change?

5 match rule needs to be changed. I am not sure everyone in the state will love a dual state championship, especially without full teams. Maybe we could raise 103 up to match the sizes of most athletes in today's world.

SEED THE STATE TOURNAMENT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TOURNAMENT!

TrackWrestling has a 16 man bracket, called a scramble bracket, in which no wrestler would get more than 5 matches in a day, and could be run in 1 day. It is basically a Pool to Bracket format, with 4 pools of 4. Winners of each pool are determined after 3 matches in their pools, then they are placed on a 4 man bracket. Winners of the semi-final go for 1st, losers go for 3rd. This can be wrestled out to 16th place, if necessary, with no 1 wrestler getting more than 5 matches. I think that State should look into this bracket. It would eliminate "seeding", because the 4 regional champs would be the top seed in each pool, followed by a 2nd 3rd & 4th, each from a different regional. We will be running some of these brackets at our JV tournament at Seaman through Trackwrestling if anyone wants to take a look at it.

5 more competition points to be used ONLY for individual duals on Tues, Wed, or Thur nights. Bring back the fan friendly event without taking away the tournaments that the wrestlers need to get prepared for state.

Serious Question. . .

Are there any state Activity Associations that currently allow six matches in a day? That is, are there any states currently and intentionally violating the NF rule?

I ask for two reasons:

#1 Some on here seem to think Kansas is "behind" because we don't'; and,
#2 It would be a GREAT POINT to be made when discussing/proposing with the KSHSAA about allowing a sixth match.

Will:

Even better: Scrap points and go to dates. In Iowa, we are allowed 15 competition "dates" prior to Sectionals. That can translate to tournaments, duals, double-duals, dual tournaments, whatever. A two-day tournament can count as one "date." We have a lot of schools who get in 50-plus matches for their kids by the time they hit Sectionals.

Also, I agree with the five-match change on a NATIONAL basis. A lot of times here, in 16-man brackets, the semifinalists are automatically in the top four so backside can only wrestle back to fifth and sixth.

Suggestion:

Out of bounds:
Make the kids wrestle on the edge of the mat. As long as 1 supporting point is on or in inside the mat, action should continue.

That is a great question- What states already allow a 6th match. What are the consequences if a 6th match is wrestled?

I was in Tulsa this past weekend and saw several kids from other states that are in high school entered into the 15 and under division. I would like for Kansas to change the rule about participation and allow kids that have the weekend off to be able to attend and take part in these national tournaments. I know all the pro's and con's but I see more pro's/positives coming from this. Our team didn't wrestle this past weekend and I know we have a few kids that would have loved to go down and have wrestled. What is wrong with that? Nothing and I think its time for change..

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FYI Coaches,

This topic is also posted on the coach's forum.

Again, emphasis on KANSAS rules / modifications. 5 match limits, length of periods, out of bounds, weight classes, 7 point takedowns are NFHS rules.

As a coach, I like the point system. I think it offers great flexibility for your particular situation.

Our schedule:
1 dual tournament
2, 1-day pool format tournaments
2, 1-day bracketed tournaments
2, 2-day tournaments
6 Thursday night league duals.
2 Saturdays off...one at the end of January and one before regionals.

If we're winning matches in the bracketed tournaments, we're getting 40-45 matches. I'm using 29 pts with this schedule.

Not sure I understand the hue and cry to change the 5 match rule.

An earlier poster said the rule change is needed so a 16 bracket tournament can be wrestled in one day. Do not think I have ever seen a one day 16 bracket tournament. Have seen 16 bracket 4A regionals---but they are 2 day tournaments. I would think a one day tournament would have to start at 6 AM and finish at 9PM. Two day 4A regionals normally do not finish till close to 9PM.

Just scanned the HOLTON Tournament brackets (16 teams). Found only one wrestler who had five matches in the losers bracket--and I assume one of thos matches was wrestled on day one. a few wrestlers had six scheduled matches, but the matches included a bye carried back from the opening round.

Still do not understand why we are scheduling so many opening round byes. Eliminate the byes and if necessary pigtail the lower seeds, or the possible 1 odd wrestler, into a smaller bracket. HOLTON opens (first round byes) ranged from one to six--with no bracke being full. I would think eliminating the bye would also eliminate the need for a 6th match. And, if a sixth match is needed to determine a 5th or 7th place, who really cares?

The 5 match rule came into play at the Paola varsity one day tournament just this past weekend in the 171 bracket(16 man not full), Chavez had to forfiet for 3rd because of this stupid rule this happens all the time in jv tournaments I think there were only 3 or 4 conso finals matches wrestled this past weekend at the Goddard jv. The rule needs to be changed.

I did not say it does not happen, and thanks for the links tothe BC Tournament.

But, why a 16 bracket tournament in one day. And, the BC Tournament only had 15 teams---that'a a built in bye. The 119 bracket had 5 opening byes, the 152 bracket had 2 opening byes, and the 215 bracket had 4 opening byes.

Eliminate the five byes in the 119 bracket and pigtail the 11th seed against the 10 seed. Sorry, but pigtail Loser goes home!!
Surely some smart guys can then figure out some way to bravket or pool the remaining 10 wrtestlers. Eliminating the byes should reduce the bracket by at least one round--thus no possible 6th matches. In 152 pigtail 13 and 14 against 11 and 12, losers go home. Same same in the 215 bracket. Another issue with the 215 bracket. Why/how does an apparant #16 seed, paired against the #1 seed in the opening, then go on to be in position to wrestle for 3rd. Questionable BC seeding procedures.

If no other State is known to violate the National Federation 5 match rule, why expect Kansas to do it. Lots of other good ideas out there without cluttering up the issues of 6 VS 5 matches. Seems like we have a tendency to pole vault over mouse t--ds.