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Originally Posted By: back in the day
Not sure about ALL class dual tournament.

I put together a CLASS 5A tournament: TOP four from each region (Probable) and then seeded by rankings with one or two expections

1 AC
2 Lansing
3. Shawne Heights
4. KMC
5. Ark City
6. Emporia
7 GEHS
8 Newton
9 Seaman
10 Mill Valley
11 Turner
12 STA
13 Great Bend
14 McPherson
15 Liberal
16 Wyandotte


Single elimination tournament


I think you are overlooking Pittsburg in this fromat. They basically have ranked kids from 103 - 145lbs. (except @140 lbs.) plus have been ranked at 189 and HWY is currently ranked #1.

Both Jones and Koehn are back.

Also, I don't understand how you can seed a dual format tournament based on an individual based tournament results.


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the regional tournaments are very lopsided as usual. you can't take the top four teams from each and believe that you have the top teams in any class.


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How about the top six teams from each class of state?


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Originally Posted By: BigPin22
Originally Posted By: back in the day
Not sure about ALL class dual tournament.

I put together a CLASS 5A tournament: TOP four from each region (Probable) and then seeded by rankings with one or two expections

1 AC
2 Lansing
3. Shawne Heights
4. KMC
5. Ark City
6. Emporia
7 GEHS
8 Newton
9 Seaman
10 Mill Valley
11 Turner
12 STA
13 Great Bend
14 McPherson
15 Liberal
16 Wyandotte


Single elimination tournament


I think you are overlooking Pittsburg in this fromat. They basically have ranked kids from 103 - 145lbs. (except @140 lbs.) plus have been ranked at 189 and HWY is currently ranked #1.

Both Jones and Koehn are back.

Also, I don't understand how you can seed a dual format tournament based on an individual based tournament results.





When this thread started Pitt was the 5th ranked team in their regional (according to the dual state proposal top 4 per region would be taken) so they would not be in consideration.....rankings have changed and Pitt would now be included. Off the topic but 5A regionals are as uneven as I have seen them. Ark City is top heavy, could be a possible state placer won't qualify.


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Originally Posted By: PurpleDad
Off the topic but 5A regionals are as uneven as I have seen them. Ark City is top heavy, could be a possible state placer won't qualify.


This Regional is always the toughest in the state, all classes.


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Beeson you need to drive 10 miles north put some motivation into a dead wrestling program.Iv seen you with those kids you make a good high school coach.


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I'd put my money on the Goodard team.

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Beeson Cryn bout regionals:
Except for the fact that you only have 8 teams competing.
4a Concordia has 3 of the Top 5 raked Schools plus 14 schools compared to 8

Clay Center 2
Abilene 3
Colby 5

Fact is 5a and 6a should be combined for a state tourny. If the small schools have a 16 man bracket to get to state then the large schools should too. This would of prevented Ark City from winning 13 in a row. Cuz its a lot easier to be the best if you are only competing against Half the competition. And dont throw in that top ten crap because you only have half the teams in 5a.

I have moved to Denver but still have unfinished business with Joe Dirt.

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Lets Break this down even further so you cant even respond. 8 man 5a 6a bracket to get to state. Lets say a kid goes out and gets stuck in a bad call his first match. 8 man bracket no big deal win your next two matches you going to state. He would of had only 3 matches to get to state.

Now lets look at it in the harder 4a 3a class that has a 16 man bracket. Same thing lets say a kid gets stuck first match. He now has to win 4 in a row to go to state. 5 more matches just to place third. He would of wrestled 5 times to go to state.

COMBINE 5a and 6a So these Big school guys are on a even playing field. Its so simple 64 schools in 4a 64 schools in 3a why does 5a and 6a wrestling only have 32 schools apiece.

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If you are talking about qualifying you may be right, but if you are talking about winning or placing very high...You combine 5a and 6a and you have approx. 60% of the All-Class ranked kids in one class. Simple math then tells you that leaves only 40% of the top kids to be spread over 4a and 3/2/1a.

I would be fine with only 2 or 3 state tournaments, but only if you reclass ALL the schools. Not just group 5a and 6a.

Bottom line their will be some 5a and 6a kids that will get to state that are not as good as some 4a kids, but when it comes to placing those kids are gone.

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LUCAS IS BACK AND STILL FIRING AWAY! LOL

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... are we saying we missed him?


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Ark City High School has The Wayne Jackson Dual Tournament December 3, 2011. We would love to see any and all of the above teams sign a contract and come down. We are also working on a couple of schools from Oklahoma. Call the Athletic Department at Ark City High School if interested.

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Ark City High School has The Wayne Jackson Dual Tournament December 3, 2011. We would love to see any and all of the above teams sign a contract and come down. We are also working on a couple of schools from Oklahoma. Call the Athletic Department at Ark City High School if interested.

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Originally Posted By: Lucas Baker
Beeson Cryn bout regionals:
Except for the fact that you only have 8 teams competing.
4a Concordia has 3 of the Top 5 raked Schools plus 14 schools compared to 8

Clay Center 2
Abilene 3
Colby 5

Fact is 5a and 6a should be combined for a state tourny. If the small schools have a 16 man bracket to get to state then the large schools should too. This would of prevented Ark City from winning 13 in a row. Cuz its a lot easier to be the best if you are only competing against Half the competition. And dont throw in that top ten crap because you only have half the teams in 5a.

I have moved to Denver but still have unfinished business with Joe Dirt.


I never said 5A and 6A were tougher every year in State....just this Regional. Wasn't crying just stating an opinion. There are only two things stopping you from coming down to settle your unfinished business....FEAR and COMMON SENSE.

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Originally Posted By: Beeson
There are only two things stopping you from coming down to settle your unfinished business....FEAR and COMMON SENSE.

To his credit, at least he is posting only under the one screename now!

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Beeson at 309 the only fear I have I have is that I am going to hurt you snap an ankle or break a rib.

Beeson at 309 I am almost twice the man you are.

Beeson Come to Denver I will find a mat.

Sportsfan02 I bet you are one of those conspiracy guys huh?
Lincoln JFK OKC Sept 11 the Moon Aliens your probably one of those people they interview for the Alien video. "Yea i saw it, it came right down in front of me pick me up and put some chip in my head. NOW I CAN HEAR THE RADIO"

Sportsfan02 I have never posted under a different name. I am not scared to say what is on my mind I put my name out there for everyone to see. I DO NOT HIDE BEHIND A SCREEN NAME LIKE SPORTSFAN02

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LOL, I have been waiting all year for this.


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Originally Posted By: Lucas Baker
Sportsfan02 I have never posted under a different name. I am not scared to say what is on my mind I put my name out there for everyone to see.

Then why do you feel the need to deny it? I know differently! Using a sock-puppet to post to a message board is considered a major violation of netiquette.

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dude your crazy i only have one screen name. Ask the mods to check ip address i live in Denver it should be easy.

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