Quagmire,

I have to disagree with you on this comment.....

"The thing about wrestling is even in team duals the only kids that are happy with the team win are the ones that got their hand raised. The one's that lost are still beating them selves up for losing."

I have observed and been a part of duals where kids that didn't give up the pin, staved off being tech falled, or only lost by 7 pts vice 8 pts have been the hero's of the match. Why: Because they saved critical team points.

Likewise I have had my had raised and won the match and felt like crap because I should have pinned my opponent or scored more team points and we lost as a team.

Will: I understand your perspective given the following post....

" "True team champion" from scoring points in an individual tournament where some teams don't have their entire lineup where others do. A tournament where there were four different qualifying tournaments with four different sets of full teams but the results from that individual tournament leave most teams with just a fraction of their line up.

In 2008 SJA finished 25th in the team standings. Ahead of 35 other 4A teams with just one guy scoring points. I am pretty sure that SJA would not have been able to beat even half of those teams in a dual.

Coach Alley, I agree with your approach to duals but would you ever tell a kid he couldn't qualify and compete at state in the weight class he would do best in for the sake of putting an inferior wrestler in for the HOPE of scoring more points at the state tournament? That is real issue I am addressing. I already stated that a dual team state would be a real team event and then the coach's strategy is important.

I just wonder how many of teams that have won a title at INDIVIDUAL state but wouldn't have won dual state?

I didn't say that 3 state champs would be a better team. I said I would rather watch a team with three state champs than 14 5th and 6th placers. There is a huge talent gap between 1st and 5th/6th.

One last question, what is a "so called stud"?"

The problem with this argument is that the real issue in your example assumes that the methodolgy we use to determine team champions is correct. I would argue that the way we do it in high school and college is not the best way to actually determine a team championship. We would be better off using a dual format to determine a team championship.

As for one of your earlier posts where you mentioned winning an argument with someone that is ignorant or words to that affect....not sure if that was a personal shot or not. I will assume it isn't because we are friends but just remember that one's perception of ignorance and logic depends on one's perspective.

Shawn Budke