Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Will is not the only one!

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Looks like even Blair has problems with officials.

I would not have given the takedown either.

Not arguing the call---just the fact that even Blair has problems with "average" officials.

I watched that pretty closely and it is hard to see just what was down where. I think, in my opinion (which is worth nothing at all), what the ref was saying, and he might have been right, is that he didn't have both his toes down and then the kid stuck in a wizzer and then he got the other toe down. I think he was saying that the wizzer and the timing of all of that precluded him from making a clear control call. He might just have been right. I would have argued it too, but the more I looked at it, the more I sort of think I understand why he made the call he did. Not saying it was right or wrong, just that I see his reasoning a little bit.

I also think that any officials that they disagree with might be, in their opinion, an average official. The mat slam was horrendous though. I am amazed that he didn't have anything to say about that.

I think the referee made a good call. He explained his point of view, and made sense. You can hear him talk about reaction time, and made a good explanation as to what he saw.

What I see as an issue to Will Cokeley is the obvious slam, and retalliation being let go by the official. Didn't catch where this tourney was, but there obviously in no "pussification" going on.

Pretty hard dump off the start. I didn't see any contact from the waist down except for the back of his heels from the wrestler doing the dumping. Judgement call I suppose.

Average is what the great majority of us are.

Two good examples of judgment calls.

I'd have called it a slam -- pile-drived him into the mat. Others might not think so. Either way, somebody is going to complain.

I'd have said no control beyond reaction time down on the mat, out of bounds. (Plus, the fans were too close and were in the way). Others might call it a takedown. Either way, somebody would complain.

The ones that agree with the call are going to think the ref was good, The ones that disagree are going to think the ref was bad. He had about 2 seconds to make each call (you can't be standing around looking for the answer).

First on the "slam" it was not even close, he jumped up, left his feet and they both fell uncontrolled back to the mat. It is no different than a guy who puts in both legs and the bottom guy stands up and just jumps backwards, no way they are landing "under control". He landed directly with one shoulder into the stomach as well, it was intentional. There is no way to land under control the way they left the ground.

On the takedown I completely agree with the call and the for the above mentioned reasons. There has to be control "beyond reaction time". Also the whizzer was there when the call was made, you must provide the wrestler the opportunity to defend himself "beyond reaction time".

I'm sure I'm just an average official so I'm probably only 1/2 right in this situation.

Alex

Alex,
Most officials are only right 50% of the time with tough calls. One coach agrees, the other doesn't. Amazing how it's always the coach that gets the points that agrees!

I don't agree that having a whizzer/wizard in means that there is no control. The reason officiating wrestling is so hard is because we have to use a lot of judgement. Arbitrary "control" rules messes with what's right and wrong too often. Having a hand draped over a guys shoulder while setting on his butt doesn't constitute a wizard in my opinion. I know it sure isn't how I taught it or was taught to apply it.

I think that was probably a slam, due to the wrestler leaving his feet. I also think it was a tough call, but I would have given two for a takedown on the edge most likely.

Reaction time is tough. I've seen a lot of guys hit a nice takedown and try to switch off too fast, losing control in an instant. Why should that negate the takedown? Tommy Edgmon had Ben Ashmore in the air, doublelegged, returned him to the mat, flat on his belly. Ben exploded up and out, and no points were given. Somehow, his explosiveness super-seeded the fact that he was returned to the mat, flat, if only for an instant. But hey, I'm over it. Maybe.

Merry Christmas every one

Tommy couldn't take anyone down (other than me in college)... He's a total lame duck.

Have a good Xmas coach.

Jimmy Ramirez gave a great piece of wisdom a few years ago, at the KWOA CLinic: "If you're able to say the words 'Reaction Time' in your mind, then it's beyond reaction time...and delay your call(s) to make sure the points are absolutely there, before you award them!"

Who is Tommy Edgmon and Ben Ashmore?? Do they have any credentials? :P

And yes if you award points too fast that lands you in trouble REAL quick, delay your calls and make sure there is proper control. Especially reffing kids, they flip flop so much!