Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle KSHSAA State Placers at Subs

Honest? What rules are they breaking? How are they being dishonest?

Okay, so by that logic, why should only high school state placers be subject to a rule like this, a JV high school wrestler is in high school so why should he get the choice to wrestle 14u while a placer doesn't? I agree that most freshman high school state champions would probably rather wrestle in the high school division, but if one were to rather wrestle 14u, and he fulfills the age requirement, then who are we to make that choice for them?

If you were to make this rule, then it shouldn't allow ANY high school wrestler, state placer or not, to compete in 14u. That I would agree with.

Doesn't matter to me one way or another. If my son ( next year makes HS state then we wrestle HS.) if not then we will have to see.
But I will give a good example of 14 vs HS. The CLASSIC, a 14u didn't place in his division, but took first in the HS division. IMOP, don't under estimate A LOT of these 8th graders, we are only talking about a 1 year difference; (for most)

All I know we're going to have some fun. Y'all can figure it out next year we wrestling 14. Geez as cheif would say lighten up people its all good..

I personally think that once high school season is over then none of the elite high school kids (state champs, placers, or qualifiers) should do the kids series. I would much rather see them take some time off. Go watch the Big Ten tournament, or the NCAA tournament. Then start training for Virginia Beach, Flo Nationals, or USA Folkstyle Nationals. And then right after that start wrestling freestyle and Greco.

I never really understood why some wrestlers who did really well in high school choose to cut weight for another 3 weeks when they could be having fun watching college wrestling and training for an even bigger tournament and getting some national exposure.

It's their choice to wrestle 14 and under, whether or not you understand it or like. I don't understand why we have to make a rule or exception.... it is based on their birthday just like every other age group.

TO EACH THEIR OWN!


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Really? ELITE? Roughly 50% of the kids make it to State. 37.5%(1st-6th) of these wrestlers actually place. This is far from ELITE. If they did it like they did in the "Good Ole Days" only 25%(1st-4th) would place. This is still a "C" at best, not ELITE. The Elite Wrestlers would be your State Finalists 12.5%(Not the top 10% even). If you want the Elite wrestlers, we would have to have a Grand State and the Top 6 wrestlers (10%) would be considered Elite. So....in my opinion Chief's top 6 in the All Class rankings would be the only ELITE wrestlers in the State. Everyone else is not Elite and should be allowed to wrestle in the kids series at whatever age they are.

Alright so you do agree with me that the Elite wrestlers should take some time off and not wrestle the kids series right? Or at the very least wrestle only the high school division of the kids series.

With that said I don't think you're giving Kansas wrestlers enough credit. There are plenty of kids in Chiefs rankings or out side of his ranking that could be considered Elite!

No man very few people agree with you thats why it still the way it is. Get over it

'ELITE? Roughly 50% of the kids make it to State.'

Ryan didn't wrestle 5/6A, he doesn't understand what you are talking about, 50% don't qualify in 321/4A. Not arguing they are the best, just deep.

Also, your comments are really insulting to the parents/fans/kids who believe working hard and qualifying and maybe even placing in state means anything. By your standards only 1 or 2 in each bracket really count anyway. Lets make kids qualify for regionals and then only take the top 1. Would that make you happy.

They made age divisions so kids wrestle kids their age. It shouldnt matter how good a kid is.

Why is it that you don't agree? Do you even have an opinion?

How about we look at it this way. On Intermat Kansas has 1 kid ranked out of 280 high schoolers. Same with Flo wrestling. That's pretty scary if you ask me.

Like Chief said, the top wrestling states don't allow high schoolers in the kids division at state. Kansas wrestling obviously needs to make some major changes to keep up with the rest of the country.

NOT ONE other state permits High School wrestlers to compete at Kids state. What that means is that every one of the comments that have been mentioned on this thread were found to be without merit in every single state except Kansas. We have a High School Division!

The proposal to finally acknowledge that our non-high school divisions are just that, will eventually pass.

Than change the rule that doesn't allow freshmen to take weights in high school.

I did not mean to offend anyone, but the word "elite" was used. Elite: The choice or best of a collective group. Technically only the State Champion of all classes would be considered elite. Unfortunately we do not have that option in Kansas.

What?

Just because other states do not have a High School Division, does not mean that the comments do not have merit.




The High School Division was created to allow High School wrestlers to continue wrestling for the love of the sport. It was not created to have an All Class Match Up. The High School Division was not created for the elite wrestlers, but this definately does not mean that they would be excluded. It is fun competition, mat time, and if two elite wrestlers end up wrestling at one or all three of these tournaments isn't that just a bonus. Anything that will allow kids to wrestle can not be considered bad, even if they are High School aged kids.

just wondering how long have they been trying to get this changed

My point was that those same comments have been used across the nation and by evidence that high school wrestlers are not allowed to wrestle in the Kids divisions, they were not sufficiently meritorious.