Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle Kansas 6 and under State Flier

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What happened to the "New Weights"?

You troublemaker!

Good Catch!! Getting corrected.

The "new" weights are on Trackwrestling...looks like whoever did the flyer and their reviewers missed it on the flyer.

Well Crap, I had hoped we had come to our senses and were not going to just start handing out State Championships. I was wrong.

This flier has the new weights.

http://www.usawks.com/invites/140302SixUnder.pdf

Next year every pound??

I was wondering what is the purpose of changing the weights ( I am not complaining just wondering)is it so the brackets will be smaller? To try and keep kids from cutting weight? Just wondering thanks

My understanding is that with more weights, there would be more champions, with more champions there would be a greater interest and keep kids excited and retrained longer.

I personally do not believe this is the answer to the problem. I'm not even sure there is a problem. It is hard to retrain kids when basketball is easier, parents can't handle losing, parents are too hard on kids, and wrestling is a hard sport that is just not for everyone.

I know plenty of kids that were state champions at 6U that are no longer wrestling. Making it easier to be a state champion will not keep their interest, it will just make their goals more easily attainable and then as it gets tougher they will give up and quit. The road is being prepared for the child not the child being prepared for the road, and many will never finish the marathon because they sprinted too quickly in the beginning.

I also feel that this will encourage weight pulling in younger kids. Instead of having to pull 3 pounds to get to the next weight they will only have to pull 2, and by then just 2 more and they have dropped two weight classes. Kids will actually 4 pounds to instead of 3. The logic will be they were at one weight class(which they pulled to get to) now they are only pulling 2 pounds. It's really not that much weight. When in reality they are pulling 4 pounds instead of 3.

I see lots of problems with the new weight classes. This was not a good idea or what was best for Kansas wrestling. The Proposal was actually shot down at the State Meeting by the Majority. But...Those in power don't have to follow the rules for 6U so the new weights are being implemented anyways.

The purpose was to limit the extremely large brackets in a few of the weight classes for the 6U state meet. Without qualifying tournaments, these bracket sizes are just stupid. In one of our "small SEK" tournaments, we had 20 kids is the 43 lb weight class.

I may use the 2 lb size difference to allow us to bump up 2 lbs instead of 3, we are right on the edge now and I am not going to make my 6 year old cut weight, even 1 pound.

An addition to Beeson's post, I agree that making it easier will not keep their interest. By making it easier to win a State Championship at 6u and by limiting "extremely large brackets" I feel your doing more harm than good. What happens when little Johnny wins 6U state by winning a small bracket and then moves to 8U and runs into a wall and where its not easy? He quits or gets frustrated by the sport. My son competed in a 44 kid bracket last year at 6U state and there wasn't a single gripe about wrestling too much in fact he very much enjoys large brackets and it prepares them for if they want to go to the large tournaments such as Tulsa Nationals, Liberty Nationals and Pre/Post Season Nationals. By watering it down for them now we're failing to prepare them for the future if they want to keep an interest in the sport.

Sorry, Bryan, don't agree, I understand Beeson's post, he is a pessimist, but you make it sound like the changes will allow someone to win a 6U state title by wrestling only 2 matches. These weight change brackets will still have 30 to 40 kids in them, still an great accomplishment and very difficult.

If this has anything to do with keeping their interest in wrestling, then it is misplaced.

Nearly every kid hits a wall at older ages, has nothing to do with 6U wrestling.

There are other ways to limit the size of brackets at 6U state.

I don't really care which way they do it, 3 pounds or 2 pounds. But to say it prepares them for bigger tournaments, such as Tulsa Liberty and others is a wash. Heck we had more kids in my son's bracket at salina last week than there were at Tulsa Nationals. I bet with the 2 pound allowance, there will still be more in the brackets than there were.

Like I said earlier, I don't really care, but the logic behind preparing for larger tournaments is flawed. Heck our state tournament only has 16. And in their subs, they might have only had 8 or less.

I do not think it is the kids winning or loosing that is the problem.I think it is the parents.If they gauge there kid off wins, they will loose.The kids that seem to do the best in my eyes are told to do there best.Some of them loose,some win.With my son we started on just trying to do a move in a match.We where lucky to get that.Now with my girl it is difrant. She want to destroy her opponent.I have to slow her down :} Teach her to wrestle not just win.

How? Have a qualifying tournament? Why not just add them to the other state tournament, if you want to do that.

That won't happen, because the locations we use can't handle those numbers.

I think I am more of a REALIST. I had no problem with the 6U weights as they were, and thought it was working great. Too many of you have your heads in the sand. You can tell me all you want how people are not pulling weight at this age. I know what is really going on, and they are pulling weight, plain and simple. This makes it easier to pull weight and more of it.

Yes, walls are hit by wrestlers at every age. The difference is the ones who have had it easy find it easier to quit. Those who have been taught to earn things and work hard will push through. Too many parents, coaches, and even administrators want it to be made easy.

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