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Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
Of course I mean a win in the current season. So according to you all a head to head win over a wrestler in the current season doesn't mean anything.

Tyson,

I've never taken a shot at anyone that didn't do it to me first. I'll treat you how you treat me.

Tryingtobesilent,
Wuthnow is not from SJA. That is the real criteria here.


I wish there was a test to be passed before they allowed you to post...

Have you considered the disrespect you are dishing out on Trent? He has EARNED the #1 ranking. He has pinned nearly everyone he has wrestled this year. He lost to a wrestler from Colorado that was the Reno TOC Champion, the 2nd toughest tournament in the country. It doesn't take a big budget to have a tough schedule. Give me a break. EVERY public school in the state can afford the SJA schedule. Nick is a great wrestler and a great kid. His dad has spent more time taking him to practices to get better than 95% of the dads in KS wrestling history. Nick is #2 this year and absent a head to head match up that is as good as it gets which isn't bad. Recognize Trent's accomplishments and quit being a bunch of ignorant jerks.

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I have no dog in this fight so I dont care who is #1 or #2 both of these wrestlers are studs.

Will,
I disagree that EVERY public school can attend all the tournaments that SJA does. I am not saying they dont have the budget, but what I am saying is that many times the administration sets the schedule, due to travel time, staff time, and how much it cost to pay bus drivers, and others staff to go on these longer trips. Many times public schools only go to 1 tournament at year besides state that they stay overnight night. So for someone to travel from Southwest Kansas all the way to the BobCat is not going to happen. That is why many of those schools go to Garden City and that is the only so called tough torunament they have the chance to show what they have.


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There was no disrespect intended towards Salisbury. He is a stud. He's in the discussion of being the top 1 or 2 182 pounders in kansas High-school wrestling. That is a great accomplishment! People can disagree with each other on this forum without going at each others necks. After reading chiefs criteria for ranking Salisbury #1, I think he got it right once again proving he's the best at what he does.

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I agree, questioning rational is not being disrespectful. It's not like most of the comments were saying Trent sucked. They were debating who they thought was better. Any time wrestlers are ranked without head to head it is hard to say who the better wrestler is. I don't think disrespect was meant on either part, just good discussion. It's ok to root for one over the other.


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Thanks for who he has beaten. Who are the 5 losses?

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Salisbury did beat Wuthnow but it was by 2 in o.t. and went on to win 2-0 over ortiz and wuthnow won 4-0 over salisbury in 2009!

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TEAM RANKINGS:

1. St. James Academy - 5A
2. Goddard - 5A
3. Garden City - 6A
4. St. Thomas Aquinas - 5A
5. Junction City - 6A
6. Derby - 6A
7. Manhattan - 6A
8. Mill Valley - 5A
9. Arkansas City - 5A
10. Kapaun Mt. Carmel - 5A


INDIVIDUAL RANKINGS:


106:
1. Corbin Nirschl - BL - 9 - 4A - 21-0
2. Idris Elias - WW - 9 - 5A - 15-0
3. Logan Treaster - NEW - 9 - 5A - 28-1
4. Lane Glover - GD - 9 - 5A - 22-2
5. Gary Joint - JC - 9 - 6A - 11-1
6. Logan McDowell - AB - 11 - 4A - 24-3
7. Tate Carney - CLB - 9 - 4A - 24-6
8. Andrew Egan - KMC - 11 - 5A - 15-1
9. Tyler Flood - PAO - 9 - 4A - 18-5
10. Tanner Hitchcock - PT - 9 - 5A

113:
1. Michael Prieto - GC - 10 - 6A - 35-2
2. Logan Terrill - ARK - 11 - 5A - 25-5
3. Josiah Seaton - BS - 12 - 4A - 24-0
4. Braden Dipman - DB - 11 - 6A - 8-0
5. Paul Stuart - AND - 9 - 5A - 21-1
6. Stephen Tujague - SJA - 10 - 5A - 32-6
7. Trae Foreman - PRT - 12 - 4A - 19-4
8. Jacob Bonham - GE - 10 - 6A - 21-4
9. Case Pemberton - PV - 10 - 4A - 27-4
10. Khamin Crow - SEA - 11 - 5A - 27-6

120:
1. Parker Howell - KMC - 12 - 5A - 24-1
2. Christian Bowen - GD - 10 - 5A - 22-0
3. Tristan Porsch - HOX - 9 - 321A - 27-0
4. Cesar Regalado - PRT - 12 - 4A - 18-0
5. Anthony Scantlin - MUL - 9 - 4A - 21-3
6. Jack Maki - AND - 9 - 5A - 21-3
7. Sam Elliott - BVNW - 10 - 6A - 30-1
8. Gabe Gooch - STA - 12 - 5A - 22-4
9. Mason Wallace - MH - 9 - 6A - 23-4
10. Zane Baugh - AB - 11 - 4A - 13-1

126:
1. Sean DeShazer - WH - 11 - 5A - 17-0
2. Reese Cokeley - SJA - 12 - 5A - 30-4
3. Donte Boose - SUM - 12 - 4A - 25-3
4. Kendall Frame - GD - 9 - 5A - 17-4
5. Clay Weil - DC - 10 - 6A - 24-5
6. Grant Hollingsworth - SME - 12 - 6A - 21-4
7. Thomas Lisher - BAL - 9 - 4A - 25-5
8. James Jurgens - 11 - SC - 4A - 15-7
9. Jacob Wilgers - 12 - MZ - 6A - 20-11
10. Adam Pelfrey - BVSW - 12 - 5A - 18-2

132:
1. Brandon Ball - HOI - 11 - 321A - 28-0
2. Zak Hensley - SJA - 11 - 5A - 39-6
3. Sawyer Like - BVSW - 12 - 5A - 34-0
4. Adam Cole - CH - 11 - 4A - 23-1
5. Patrick Burrus - KMC - 12 - 5A - 18-1
6. Marcus Phillips - WW - 12 - 5A - 14-1
7. Trevor Smith - WIN - 10 - 4A - 12-1
8. Kian Clemens - MH - 12 - 6A - 28-4
9. Jonah Lutz - 10 - HOL - 4A - 28-1
10. Clayton Himpel - TG - 12 - 4A - 26-3

138:
1. Brogan Humphrey - FRE - 12 - 321A - 22-1
2. Tevin Briscoe - GC - 11 - 6A - 27-3
3. Tyler Mies - AN - 12 - 4A - 24-3
4. Tyler Dickman - MV - 12 - 5A - 6-0
5. Jake Elbrader - STA - 12 - 5A - 25-1
6. Chase Cole - CH - 11 - 4A - 20-2
7. Jake Wilson - RH - 12 - 4A - 19-3
8. Connor Penka - MUL - 10 - 4A - 23-2
9. Jonathan Ball - HOI - 9 - 321A - 25-0
10. Kevin Kissane - MZS - 11 - 5A

145:
1. Michael Olsen - LS - 12 - 5A - 28-0
2. Andrew Tujague - SJA - 12 - 5A - 34-6
3. Chris Adler - GC - 12 - 6A - 36-6
4. Jake Ellis - MV - 12 - 5A - 24-4
5. Greg Tooley - STM - 11 - 321A - 25-0
6. Jacob Durossette - FS - 12 - 4A - 17-2
7. Kaleb Konitzer - PV - 12 - 4A - 28-4
8. Jaquwan Stone - BVNW - 12 - 6A - 29-3
9. Dayton Dreher - OBR - 12 - 321A - 27-2
10. Michael Dusin - PHI - 12 - 321A - 31-2

152:
1. Tagen Lambotte - ROS - 12 - 321A - 24-1
2. Andrew Millsap - JC - 12 - 6A - 13-3
3. Brett Moon - MZ - 10 - 6A - 28-2
4. Luke Henes - STA - 12 - 5A - 26-4
5. Kade Sander - GB - 12 - 5A - 23-1
6. Kendall Biddle - ARK - 10 - 5A - 27-10
7. Paul Suhr - AC - 12 - 4A - 23-3
8. Scott Whitson - BUH - 12 - 4A - 14-2
9. Michael Leeper - MH - 12 - 6A - 27-6
10. Asher Huseman - TG - 11 - 4A - 26-4

160:
1. Isaac Dulgarian - STA - 11 - 5A - 23-1
2. Taylor Watkins - COL - 11 - 4A - 26-1
3. Bowe Behymer - BEL - 12 - 321A - 19-0
4. Kalin Collins - WW - 12 - 5A - 12-1
5. Ben VanLerberg - SJA - 12 - 5A - 38-8
6. Austin Chauncey - MH - 12 - 6A - 31-4
7. Saul Ortiz - WNW - 11 - 6A - 19-3
8. John Peden - GDL - 12 - 4A - 31-0
9. Dalton Peters - SLC - 12 - 5A - 13-3
10. Andrew Rieschick - HOL - 12 - 4A - 14-1

170:
1. Dustin Williams - GE - 12 - 6A - 24-0
2. Matt Pratt - SJA - 11 - 5A - 41-6
3. Austin Cook - SV - 11 - 4A - 21-1
4. Colton Cooper - GDL - 12 - 4A - 14-1
5. Blake Hampton - SPH - 12 - 4A - 25-2
6. Tyler Harris - ATC - 11 - 4A - 23-1
7. Dylan Wiesner - PLV - 12 - 321A - 19-2
8. Warren Kropp - SC - 12 - 4A - 15-2
9. Jesse Oliver - WW - 12 - 5A
10. Carter Hall - SH - 11 - 5A

182:
1. Trent Salsbury - SJA - 12 - 5A - 36-1
2. Nick Wuthnow - SSH - 12 - 321A - 22-0
3. Gavin Grater - RC - 12 - 321A - 25-1
4. Jared Langley - NEW - 11 - 5A - 27-1
5. Alan Clothier - LAW - 10 - 6A - 21-1
6. Jackson McCoubrie - BV - 12 - 6A - 28-2
7. LaPhonso McKinnis - SMNW - 12 - 6A - 25-2
8. Spencer Bird - SV - 12 - 4A - 13-2
9. Darick Jones - CLW - 12 - 4A - 21-1
10. Andrew Taylor - CLB - 12 - 4A

195:
1. Preston Weigel - HAY - 12 - 5A - 24-0
2. Seth Pesek - GE - 11 - 6A - 23-0
3. Austin Tillman - TOP - 12 - 6A - 15-0
4. Caleb Franklin - WN - 12 - 6A - 19-0
5. Sammy Reyes - GC - 12 - 6A - 32-5
6. Sage Eckman - EMP - 11 - 5A - 27-4
7. Rasheed Brady - SMS - 12 - 6A - 21-2
8. Tristan Speer - TR - 11 - 321A - 22-0
9. Jake Gramke - MV - 12 - 5A - 19-7
10. Chris Dugan - BC - 10 - 5A

220:
1. Ben Ewing - STA - 11 - 5A - 27-0
2. Mario Galvan - SMNW - 12 - 6A - 24-2
3. Gus Farthing - BUR - 12 - 4A - 21-0
4. Corey Atkins - GD - 10 - 5A - 20-1
5. Nick Nolting - BC - 11 - 5A - 8-2
6. Otto Orosco - ULY - 12 - 4A - 20-3
7. Cody Walker - WAT - 12 - 321A - 17-1
8. Luke Jacobs - PHL - 11 - 321A - 20-2
9. Jon Yates - BUH - 12 - 4A - 16-2
10. Ahmed Qarini - BVW - 12 - 6A - 34-4

285:
1. Justin Scott - JW - 12 - 4A - 26-0
2. Tyson Toelkes - SH - 12 - 5A - 22-0
3. Ray Gallegos - NEW - 12 - 5A - 27-0
4. Cooper Zeller - HOL - 12 - 4A - 18-2
5. Lex Plummer - HUT - 12 - 6A - 27-2
6. Montana Fuller - GC - 12 - 6A - 5-1
7. Tyler Bastian - WC - 12 - 6A - 23-3
8. Jason Zook - CHP - 10 - 4A - 18-3
9. Vincent Scott - HAY - 12 - 5A - 21-7
10. Jordan Drybread - CH - 12 - 4A - 15-2



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Originally Posted By: Troy R
Salisbury did beat Wuthnow but it was by 2 in o.t. and went on to win 2-0 over ortiz and wuthnow won 4-0 over salisbury in 2009!


Seriously you are going to bring in a 4 year old match. I'm sure neither has learned anything since. grin wink whistle


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YES I AM! My point is that is has went back and forth and would like to watch it....

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Originally Posted By: Ex Heights Coach
Will,
Thanks for who he has beaten. Who are the 5 losses?

Dee Gard

Reese 2x
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Then his last loss was to Abilenes 126 due to no more blood time. Not sure who was winning that match before it was called off.
By the way, I'm Ryne.

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Originally Posted By: Beeson
Originally Posted By: Troy R
Salisbury did beat Wuthnow but it was by 2 in o.t. and went on to win 2-0 over ortiz and wuthnow won 4-0 over salisbury in 2009!


Seriously you are going to bring in a 4 year old match. I'm sure neither has learned anything since. grin wink whistle


Chad, Maybe they have been frozen in time, going no where much like Troy's post. Believe it or not, people do change in 4 years.


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Caysen smith from abilene was winning the match 3-0

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Originally Posted By: L.Geyer
I have no dog in this fight so I dont care who is #1 or #2 both of these wrestlers are studs.

Will,
I disagree that EVERY public school can attend all the tournaments that SJA does. I am not saying they dont have the budget, but what I am saying is that many times the administration sets the schedule, due to travel time, staff time, and how much it cost to pay bus drivers, and others staff to go on these longer trips. Many times public schools only go to 1 tournament at year besides state that they stay overnight night. So for someone to travel from Southwest Kansas all the way to the BobCat is not going to happen. That is why many of those schools go to Garden City and that is the only so called tough torunament they have the chance to show what they have.



Geyer,

EVERY SCHOOL CAN wrestle the same schedule. There are NO rules limiting any KSHSAA member school from traveling to the same places, fund raising, or not wrestling many duals. Your argument is with a school district and a school board not with any special treatment that some perceive that private schools have. If I was in a school district that had short sited administrators or board members I would use SJA as a great example of why it is ok to do so. You want the academic and attendance data for our wrestlers and students? Football is a huge cash drain on every school but they find a way... Sometimes you have to educate the educators. smile

Wil


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Originally Posted By: tryingtobesilent
There was no disrespect intended towards Salisbury. He is a stud. He's in the discussion of being the top 1 or 2 182 pounders in kansas High-school wrestling. That is a great accomplishment! People can disagree with each other on this forum without going at each others necks. After reading chiefs criteria for ranking Salisbury #1, I think he got it right once again proving he's the best at what he does.


Originally Posted By: Beeson
I agree, questioning rational is not being disrespectful. It's not like most of the comments were saying Trent sucked. They were debating who they thought was better. Any time wrestlers are ranked without head to head it is hard to say who the better wrestler is. I don't think disrespect was meant on either part, just good discussion. It's ok to root for one over the other.


If you guys would have read the quote above my post you would have seen the comment that Trent's criteria was only that he attends SJA.

Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
Of course I mean a win in the current season. So according to you all a head to head win over a wrestler in the current season doesn't mean anything.

Tyson,

I've never taken a shot at anyone that didn't do it to me first. I'll treat you how you treat me.

Tryingtobesilent,
Wuthnow is not from SJA. That is the real criteria here.



That is an insult to both Trent and Eric Johnson. Of course I could have just considered the source and ignored it but my dislike for Steve grows every time he crawls out from under the rock he lives beneath.

Tryingtobebutnotbeingsilent,
I am still confused. Did you think that Wuthnow had a win this season over Salsbury?? Head to head s always the number one criteria until you have the triangle of confusion where three guys all beat each other.

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You said "Jerks" meaning more than one. Steve was the only one making ignorant remarks, and yes he should be ignored. The more your dislike grows the more his ignorance grows and the more the rest of us have to put up with it. Don't make him think he has a valid point by responding.

Now, those that still think Nick is better than Trent, that's ok. They can have that opinion until they meet head to head this year. And Those that think Trent can beat Nick, that's ok also, with no disrespect to either wrestler. It's ok to root for your favorite.


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My Dad passed away in OKC and I was at his funeral on Saturday, honoring my hero.


Wow, I am so sorry Chief, I just heard. My condolences to you on the passing of your Hero, your Father. Although my sentiment is belated, it is none the less sincere. You and your loved ones will be in my thoughts and prayers. I also realize though that it is a time to celebrate his life and not just a time to grieve. You obviously have great memories of your Hero. What an honor and appropriate testament for him and you.

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Originally Posted By: Beeson

Now, those that still think Nick is better than Trent, that's ok. They can have that opinion until they meet head to head this year. And Those that think Trent can beat Nick, that's ok also, with no disrespect to either wrestler. It's ok to root for your favorite.


If Nick gets by Grater and Trent carries through, it would be nice to take both Salsbury and Wuthnow to Denver on the two All-Class Teams! Get them both in that 182 Rocky Mountain National bracket and meet in the finals!


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Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
More matches to consider other than head to head? If somebody beat someone head to head what else is there to consider?

Could be a lot, unless the two in question have wrestled only one match and it happens to be against each other.

Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
He is better than that person.
Not necessarily.


Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
Again that's why these rankings are a joke.

Not accurate.

Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
some publications actually use them as official rankings. Wrong!!!!

No, that is right as they are clearly the most accurate reflection of an overall "All Class" that we have.

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If I wanted something cheap I'd talk to your mother.....
.....You did mention my standup.


Wow, really? I can't believe what I just read. And belated again. Sorry. I need to keep up. I am behind and missing all the fun?

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No, I knew there was no head to head against the two. I have seen the two in action before. In my personal opinion I would favor wuthnow in a match up. I have no problem with Salisbury at #1 after I read about his body of work so far this year. He's been through some strong competition!

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