Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion Kids Folkstyle Just a question...

Why doesn't Kansas have a true 2nd Place match at State?

They voted not to.

who's they? Just doesn't make sense to me not to have one...

It was submitted last fall. It was voted down. At the state board meeting.

The vote was taken among all of the clubs in the state. For some strange reason it got voted down.

Ok, thanks guys.

Would have been a possibility in 39 of the 98 brackets last year.
No commons or h2h between them.

How popular is this idea? I can’t imagine a 2nd place kid wanting to wrestle another match after battling that far and then loosing. I’m sure the 3rd place person would love it. I could be wrong but I don’t think this is done at HS or college level correct? At least State and National tournaments? Just curious if it is really that popular of an idea with the masses.

It's an option with tournaments that do not seed wrestlers.
Geography doesn't seed quality or ability.

Of course the 2nd place kid wouldn't want to wrestle it lol. But in my opinion when you do a blind draw or random seeding (like district vs district) there should be one. When you possibly have the two best all on the same side of the bracket I think we should wrestle it out to find out who is the true second.

Daniel, Tulsa Nationals, Tulsa Kickoff, Reno Worlds, RMN Series are national tournaments that do. Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas are states off the top of my head that do as well. It'd be nice to see some of the good matchups that it would create.

Ding, ding, ding......
I'm glad someone sees my madness.

Even if they do seed the tournament I am in total favor of true 2nd. It teaches kids how to handle adversity and losing because you're going to be up in a few matches and you need to compose yourself. A few years ago my son was on the finals at Tulsa and lost. He threw a fit!!! He was up in 5 and lost to a lesser wrestler because he couldn't keep his cool (he was 6). Big learning lesson for him!

I vote for True 2nd! At the very least it's an extra match!

It is a TERRIBLE idea. The kid who just lost in the finals is emotionally devastated and to ask him to come back and defend 2nd is not a good idea. I have asked around and the estimates are anywhere from 75% to 90% of the time the 3rd place wrestler wins as he is just coming off a win and has the momentum. NO GOOD for the sport comes from this idea. They are complete mental mismatch.

I disagree with you Cokeley, my son lost in the finals at USJOC a couple years ago after hyperextending his elbow and was then challenged for 2nd and went out with basically one arm and won the match. A truly strong wrestler is not only physically tough but mentally tough and has the ability to move on to the next match. I have seen plenty of kids in the last couple years lose and still be able to come back and win the challenge match. I think its a disservice to the kids when they are in a very tough bracket and in a blind draw or random drawing scenario it would show who is truly deserving of second place. I've seen countless times when the kid who finished third was clearly a better wrestler than the kid who finished second but because he "ended up on the wrong side of the bracket" places lower.

Will it makes kids tough.... And helps some kids learn that it's not the end of the world because you lose. I want my kid to learn how to handle adversity. It's a tough world out there... The sooner he can pick himself up and dust himself off the better he will be! Mommy and daddy can't save you!!!

If two kids have 1 loss in a double elimination bracket, they haven't met in the tournament, they haven't lost to a common opponent in that tourney...... THEY SHOULD wrestle it out for second! There, that should show that it's the BEST idea.

This is a great idea. Why hasn't the NCAA division 1 done this yet.

NOT!!

They SEED the brackets!

I don't remember seeing any 1 vs 2 in the first round?

Better yet, I can type slower if I need too.
Next year D1 should bracket west vs east and north vs south and see how they fall.
Let geography set the bracket.
FORGOT THE CAPS

We have taken 2nd and also battled our way back and taken 3rd and every time we didn't challenge or accept the challenge! To say it makes you mentally stronger is just hogwash! Just recently at RMN we ended up in the finals and lost in the last 20 seconds, he was devasted and told me he was fine with third as he didn't want to wrestle in less then 20 minutes! If this makes him mentally weak in some of your opinions then so be it! Sometimes as fathers you have to check your ego and leave it up to your kid! JMO