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#25625 10/22/02 12:59 PM
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Hello everyone:

I am doing a report for our US History paper on how Title 9 has affected the wrestling world.

I would appreciate any comments, information, or stories you all have concerning Title 9.

Thank you,
Brett Shoffner
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what is that?

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Brett,

There is quite a bit of good information available at the Title IX page at themat.com .

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Garden City Community College Wrestling team were defending National junior College Wrestling Champions and lost their program.

Garden Juco lost their men's tennis, golf , wrestling and cross country programs under the guise of complying with Title 9.

Everyone knows that the only program that makes any money is football. I know that the administration cited TITLE 9 as the culprit but sometimes I think they use this to weed out programs they are not to fond of.

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intermatwrestle.com also has an entire section of their web page devoted to Title IX

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Title IX was designed to promote equity in sports, plain and simple. And in theory, it's good. But theory doesn't always pan out in actual practice. There are many schools/programs that have been forced to reevaluate their priorities due to Title IX. Although it may be a valid issue to question the degree to which Title IX has impacted athletics, it may be an even more valid issue to question what the world of athletics would look like without it.

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Title 9 doesn't necessarily say that you have to offer the same number of boys and girls teams. In theory you should offer athletics to about the same number of boys and girls. If you have a boys track team with 50 kids and a girls team with 20, you are potentially in violation. That is unless you can show you are doing everything possible to enhance minority competition. Also if you have a boys basketball team with 4 coaches and a girls team with 3 coaches, this is another potential violation. You have to put equitable resources in to both.
While in the college ranks, football can be one of the biggest money makers, it certainly is not true in high school. Last year our school administration while contemplating a possible cut in athletic programs did a cost per student for each sport. Among the items considered were coaches salaries, transportation, janitors, entry fees, equipment, timekeepers and other workers pay, officials, hospitality rooms, trophies, medals etc minus gate receipts and entry fees for events hosted. We did not get into the cost of facilities which would have put football in a more expensive range.
Believe it or not wrestling cost our district the least per student, and was about even with football. Basketball was among the highest cost per student along with girls softball. We did have some things going for the assesment in terms of wrestling. Wrestling was the sport with the highest number of kids participating after football, and wrestling parents volunteered their time to keep score, run clocks, etc where the other sports hired teachers to do these things. I know this got a little off track but it all pertains to resources and other variables which also are factors in title 9. How do you think those schools with 8 football coaches and 3 volleyball coaches are doing compliance wise?

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Thanks for all your replies.

Does anyone know of the kid's name, I believe from Manhattan, who signed with BYU and then the program was dropped a month or so later.

Any other info is greatly appreciated. I will make sure to get you cited properly.

Thanks,
Brett Shoffner
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Scott Coleman, He was a multi-year State Champion in 6A, and a National Champion.


"If it is to be, it is up to me!"
#25634 10/24/02 12:22 PM
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Thank you Coach Lane.

kansaskid, matfan, and fanatic will you please e-mail me shoffner22@hotmail.com with your names so I can quote and cite your thoughts, with your permission of course.

Thanks again everyone,
Brett Shoffner
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brett there is some very usefull stuff on title nine on ncaa.com you should check it out

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Thanks J.Matty.

You could have just said it though considering you are sitting in the same room as me.

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Ow Ya


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