I'm not doggin on how hard kyle or jeff work. I'm just sayin from my experience and what i've seen, neither wrestler has the dominance that i've seen. And if i remember right, horinek is a senior, cause i was talkin to someone from out west about what he's doin next year. he said something about ftball. But if he is a junior, he needs to work on the finess and he could be really good and needs to get a more mass of a body like kyle had.