Kansas Wrestling Forums General Discussion High School Heavyweight Respect!?

I was just wondering why NO ONE respects heavyweight wrestling? Everyone is always bagging on its style and how easy it is. I am here to tell you that it is one of the hardest weights that there is.
If you are wrestling someone good you have to wrestle a flawless match to win. You can not be like a 103lbs wrestler and try a stupid move and give up points. It is hard because if you do give up any stupid points, it is harder than any other weight, to get these points back.
The other thing is people do not think heavyweights work hard. Why is this? Because they are not the fastest guys on the team? Just because most heavyweights are not ripped or have six packs does not mean that they do not work hard. Most heavyweights(that are good) have a great work ethic yet they continually get bagged on?
Also I can not anyone thinking that someone who is is a lightweight wrestler as the best wrestler in the state. 103lbs wrestlers are freshman mainly, 112 are sophomores mainly...and so on. Heavyweight is always an upperclassman weight so regardless what people think there are always good wrestlers in HEAVYWEIGHT!

WORD!

I HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME HOW BORING HEAVYWEIGHT WRESTLING IS. DON'T KNOCK IT UNLESS YOU'VE WRESTLED IT. TRY WAITING 13 MATCHES TO WRESTLE, OR YOU HAVE TO WIN THE MATCH TO WIN THE DUAL BECAUSE YOUR BUDDIES DIDN'T WIN, OR WORST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO PIN YOUR MAN TO WIN THE DUAL. LOTS OF PRESSURE THERE. QUIT BUSTIN' THEIR CHOPS!

big boys r tight....DOUBLE WORD!!!

According to high school rules the weight class to start a meet is now randomly picked. Last nights west vs. north the heavyweights started the meet then 103 and so on. Hats off to the big boys.

most heavyweight matches are sloppy and boring. Why is it do you think that 190 pounders are coming up and whooping some but? There are however some good heavyweights out there-props to them.

you all are right, yes they do work hard but i mean they are kinda boring to watch becuase there's not as much action as you would see in a 103 or 145 or 152 match they do work hard and mayb even harder than some other weights but you really cannot say that they are the best out there... everyone works hard and yes sometimes it comes down to them winning the dual for you but if the new systems is like it is supoosed to be then it doesnt matter where they wrestle it is up to every wrestler to do his best and win..... so really you cannot say that heavy weights are the best out there but yes they are good and they dont get all the credit they deserve.

what about adam venegas and kevin pulliam there were some pretty quick big boys and had some awsome matches

give the big guys some credit. its not easy moving all that weight and that is what sets the good ones apart from the other heavyweight, how they use their weight

The only reason that Adam Venegas is winning most of his matches is that he shoots. Most heavyweights aren't used to that. If he were down in 215lbs. he wouldn't be as successful. Take Ryan Frazier from Kapaun for example. I'm not trying to knock the guy because he is a good guy, but I wrestled him at 215lbs. and beat him and his record was like 11-10. Then he moved up to heavyweight in the middle of the season and won state. No one shot on him in heavyweight like they did in 215lbs.

I'm not trying to knock heavyweights. there are some really good heavyweights out there. I was just trying to tell you why Adam Venegas is having some success. The reason I am commenting on his wrestling is because I've seen him wrestle before. I mean don't get me wrong, he's a decent wrestler, i just think that if he was at 215lbs. he wouldn't be as successful.

venegas would stick u chris and he did wrestle zach hemmerling this summer and beat him 12-6 and he is a state champ at 215 a very good state champ

venegas is very good and will win state easily this year. but we will see how good he is at nationals

I have a feeling that bring it just might be Venegas (or maybe I know it is}LOL. :p :p :rolleyes:

I never had the meant that heavyweight is the hardest or best weight. I am just tired of everyone bagging on the big guys. But I will say that I will never think that a mostly freshman weight (the lightweights like 103 -112)is the most difficult. I think that the hardest weight varies between 160, 171, 189 everyear. You have to be a real stud to win state in these divisions.

i wrestled heavyweight last yr and i thgouht it was pretty tough those guys work hard out there and i also think they should get some respect

Also, all the 215lbs that wrestle heavyweight usually are not that great. Most of them do poorly. For example in the past, people like Olsen from Maize, Bruce from Ark City, and English from Augusta. These guys won matches but didn't have what it takes to beat the big boys when it mattered. Yeah there are exceptions like Ryan Frazier from Kaupan, like there are in every weight. But a lot of people seem to forget a stud wrestler by the name of Razor from Junction City who took third as a junior at 275 but knew he couldn't win state at heavyweight so he dropped to 215 and dominated his way to a state championship.

I think that the reason why people look down on big guys and small guys is that in thier regionals not all of thier brackets are full. For example in the 3-1a regional in northeast ks at 112 my 112 byed his way to the consolation semi finals. All he had to do was win one match. He did not get it done. The guy that beat him also byed his way in. From what I understand this has happened several times last year in the low and upper wieghts. In 125-189 classes the guys have to wrestle full brackets aking it alot tougher to qualifiy for the state tournament. I also think that alot of people think that heavy wrestling is boring. It is largely due to the fact that alot of heavy wrestling does not have alot of action. I have been coaching at the high school level for 6 years and the best heavy matches I have ever seen came from that kid from St. francis that went to the university of wyoming to play football. Mitch Schelp from St. Francis was pretty good to. But in the last six years I have yet to see good heavy match.

Coach Luedke, as a coach I would expect more out of you. This is where the lack of respect starts. Most coaches do not like heavyweight wrestling so they do not bother to coach there heavyweights. Why do you think most heavyweights do not enjoy wrestling? It starts from coaches teaching the big boys moves and strategies that do not work for them. Most programs would have a much better team if the coach would just "suck it up" and work with there heavyweights. But most coaches have never and probably will never like heavyweight wrestling.

Coach Luedke, that kid that went to the University of Wyoming was Jeff Boyle, and he was from Norton not St. Francis. But you are correct in saying he was something else to watch. But heavyweights don't come along like Jeff very often.