I was always a big fan of the "over-under". it prolly has another name but that is what i grew up with. It works real well if you do it when u do it near the end of the match. My coach siad that the only way he would accept me doing the move in a match was if i could do it to him..so .. threw him 3 time in one match. so it does work if you're able to get it down.