My apologies for confusing the name of the KSHAA official------yes, it was Rick Bowden that I spoke to. I think that 4a could sustain itself at a separate venue, and I believe that Salina would have a lot to offer. The biggest problem that KSHAA has, I believe, is that without the 1/3 of the crowd that 4a brings into the colisseum, possibly the cost of the facility is not feasible. It may well be that 4a is locked to 5a-6a due to the crowd support factor. Getting out of the Christians and lions atmosphere of the colisseum would really be great but not likely to happen. 321 is very wise to hold onto their hays deal,as it is a very pleasant environment that makes the participant feel appreciated.