in some cases that is true. in some cases it is not. were we to take a coaches poll I am absolutely certain there would be a rather convincing majority-- 80% or better-- to bring back the grand state competition. Do you think that is ever going to happen? I think that KSHAA is attuned to the opinion of the majority in most cases, I simply stated that if all three classes are required to compete to make the cash flow positive at Wichita, then 4a may be tied there (minority group) to make it work for 5-6A (majority group)