In my opinion no,from what you've explained they fall under the catagory of "novice". It's good for them to wrestle both. Opens will make them realize where they need to be, and novice helps them wrestle kids that are at the same skill level and they can compete instead of getting thumped on. From my understanding of the guidlines a novice is considered to be a 1st or 2nd year wrestler who hasn't placed in 3 or more opens with more than 4 wrestlers. Whether or not that is truely a guidline set by the state....I don't know for sure.