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Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh best camp? - 03/13/07 05:13 PM
What is the best camp for a 10/under kid? Chertow, Ok State, Granby school? Any recommendations appreciated.
Posted By: firehawk88 Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 05:16 PM
I can't speak for the others but Chertow has a really good camp.
Posted By: 24/7 Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 05:47 PM
Purler's takedown machine in St. Louis is fantastic. The facilities are a little "rustic", but the camp is great.

Another great clinician you don't see much of is Martin Stegovia of Garden City. He is absolutely super!

24/7
Posted By: firehawk88 Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 05:52 PM
Martin Sergovia's camps are good. They tend to be shorter time frame than most don't they?
Posted By: 24/7 Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 05:56 PM
Yea. Martin's are usually a couple day commuter camps. But they are very worth it.

24/7
Posted By: in it to win it Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 06:32 PM
Chertow has a good camp system, plus the boys that take advantage of the summer session will have a chance to re-inforce their skills learned in the Fall session when Ken swings through again...for a much more reasonable cost.

Cael Sanderson's camps are great (he's taken Bobby Douglas's camp). J. Robinson's camps are supppose to be top notch as well ---both camps are great if staying for the intensive sessions (21-28 days of wrestling).
Missouri offers a team camp that at times have come to Wichita. You must recognize that they are now a force to be reckoned with.

Martin's (Steve) has replaced his father with the Granby Camp...it's been held @ Mexico, MO for several years. Use to bring a weekend session to/around Independence Mall area High school Blue Valley North??

We've also experienced chain wrestling camp by ?Roller? ?Spates?

Southern Plains Camp has been a good prep for South Plains Regional's. Also, K-State used to have a camp for kids that was put on in July that was really reasonable----am not sure if they still have it or not.
Posted By: Ginny Wagh Re: best camp? - 03/13/07 10:15 PM
Purler's Takedown Machine is fantastic. They really teach the boys a lot, and very well ran, great technique. It was our son's first time last year and he loved it. The boys really work hard throughout the day that they are exhausted by nightfall. Highly recommend, but they are filling fast, the first two sessions are full and the other two were 1/2 full last week.
Posted By: pinkwrestler Re: best camp? - 03/14/07 08:59 PM
john smith osu camp
Posted By: Beeson Re: best camp? - 03/15/07 06:31 AM
My only problem with Chertow is that he shows the cement mixer and the SNAKE (head and arm) hack moves that only work on 6U and poor wrestlers. It has taken several months to work these moves out of a couple of wrestlers that learned them at a Chertow camp. He may teach other good techniques but these two moves are terrible. Kids find immediate success with them and once everyone knows what you are going to do, your screwed. Teach the basics and not these hack moves.

I would highly recommend Purler.
Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh Re: best camp? - 03/15/07 12:51 PM
Thanks all who gave suggestions; looks like Purler is the winner; I'm kind of concerned that there is no live wrestling at the camp though; Beeson the snake worked pretty good for Larry Perez. I never thought of it as a hack move. Thanks again for all the helpful insight.
Posted By: WOOD_WON Re: best camp? - 03/15/07 01:41 PM
The camp put on by Shane Roller in Tahlequah, OK is an excellent camp. He brings in numerous college wrestlers and also the coaching staff from OSU. It is just like going to the OSU cam p, but you aren't a # and the individualized attention is outstanding. They help each wrestler with the style that fits them personally. The competition is great and the ratio of campers to coaches is great. I have taken a group of kids the last 2 years and it has helped them tremendously. Here is a link to the information:

http://www.worldofwrestling-roller.com/shane_roller_camps.htm

Jason Wood
Posted By: Wrestling at Sea Re: best camp? - 03/18/07 04:41 PM
Shane Roller has made a good name for himself teaching younger wrestlers technique. He was a 12 time state wrestling champ from Oklahoma and won Tulsa Nationals 8 times. He has paired up now with Pat Smith (fmr O-state Asst. coach & 4 time NCAA national champ, silver medalist in world cup). Why not consider combining a wrestling clinic with a family vacation? We have a cruise that includes a week long wrestling clinic with Pat & Shane set for July 23. It's not for everyone, but not all wrestling clinics go to Cozumel, Mexico with your family either. Not only will it be a great clinic, but an unforgettable family moment. For more information, click on "Camps/Clinics" at the top left of this page.

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Posted By: Larry Perez Re: best camp? - 04/14/07 10:22 PM
"My only problem with Chertow is that he shows the cement mixer and the SNAKE (head and arm) hack moves that only work on 6U and poor wrestlers. It has taken several months to work these moves out of a couple of wrestlers that learned them at a Chertow camp. He may teach other good techniques but these two moves are terrible. Kids find immediate success with them and once everyone knows what you are going to do, your screwed. Teach the basics and not these hack moves."

-I am sure everyone knows how I feel. It is okay if you consider the "snack" a hack move if you want. Each wrestler should do moves that they feel good with. I felt really good with the snake. I pinned a lot of wrestlers with the move. Would you rather call a gramby a hack move? No, because kids have success with all different types of moves. By the way, I still use the snake in college!
Posted By: Kyle O. Roberts Re: best camp? - 04/15/07 03:34 PM
If the snake is a hack move, GB has several HACKMEISTERS! \:\)

Love it when we take you from feet to back....
Posted By: Akin Wrestling Re: best camp? - 04/15/07 04:16 PM
Team Champions 'team camp' in Baldwin City offers a full package.

Top level technique instructors:
Gary Mayab - "youth developer of the year," 4 straight Mo state team titles at Oak Park HS
Zach Roberson - NCAA Champion, National Open Champ, 3x AA, never lost in Ks high school competition
Eric Akin - 2x Olympic alternate, US Open Champ, 4x AA, "male athlete of the year" at Iowa state

Camp includes weight-lifting instruction, character in sport lessons, and camp awards. Wrestlers get 2 dual matches per evening.

For event flier email: eakin@kc.rr.com
For more info contact: teamchampionswrestling@hotmail.com
Camp Director, Kit Harris (785) 594-3481
Posted By: Outdoor Camps Re: best camp? - 04/16/07 05:25 AM
Notice: Due to recent changes in the order of events for the Pan-American Games, Kevin Jackson's camp dates have been changed from July (22-27) to July (15-20) and Jason Kelber's camp to July (22-27)!

You also might want to look into the camps below. They offer a Youth Development camp specifically designed for youth wrestlers. It is also a very unique camp in the respect that it offers not only a great camp atmosphere but many Outdoor Challenges that work in; fun,team building activities and mental and physical challenges.

You might ask for some feedback from Larry Perez, a UNK Loper wrestler and author of an above post. They had their team retreat at this camp last fall. Some of his teammates as well as Jason Kelber will be running the clinician portion of the Youth Development Camp.

OUTDOOR CHALLENGE CAMPS located near Valentine, NE has announced its summer camp schedule.
Featured clinicians are as follows:
Kevin Jackson - In pursuit of Gold training camp. July 15-20. US Olympic Team Freestyle Coach, Olympic Gold Medalist, 2X World Champion, 3X World Cup Champion, 2X Pan-American Champion, 4X NCAA Div. 1 All-American
Jason Kelber -Competitive Edge training camps. June 16-22 and July 22-27. NCAA Div. 1 National Champion UNL, 3X Div.1 All-American, 3X Iowa State HS champion, 9 yrs. college coaching experience.
Marty McCurdy - Granby Style training camp. June 28- July 3. Nebraska Wrestling Hall of Fame, Kansas 3-2-1A Coach of Year, 3X Nebraska Class A Coach of Year, 4 State Team Championships, 184 Career Dual Wins, 19 State Champions, 91 State Medalists
(NEW) Youth Development Camp - July 29 - August 2 - This camp will be led by members of the Univ. of Nebraska Kearney,2007 NCAA Div. II national runners up and Clifff Keen Nationals Duals Champions with special guest clinician Jason Kelber. This camp will have the same format as our other Outdoor Challenge Camps but will be geared towards Youth Development 3rd through 8th grade. Our web site will be updated with this information soon.

These camps are all intensive camps. Our small camp size ensures you get lots of individual attention. They all incorporate excellent technique sessions as well as live wrestling and Outdoor Challenge Activities including; an obstacle course, paintball tournament, orienteering course and a float trip down a "Wild and Scenic River". To see the many other planned activities visit our web site.

Also in the planning stages is a Father/Son camp. We are looking at dates in late July or early August. Same camp format and activities just scaled down a bit for younger wrestlers and time constraints.

We will also have up to 8 “need based” $200/wrestler scholarships available to attend our camps this summer. This information will be posted on the web site soon.

For more information click on the following web site link:
www.outdoorchallengecamps.com
or call: Steve Hansen, Camp Director 402-376-2679

You can download a printable version of our camp brochure from the menu on our web site.

“You don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great.”
Posted By: Larry Perez Re: best camp? - 04/18/07 11:37 PM
The time I spent retreat at Steve Hansen's camp was amazing. I would give this camp excellent feedback. All parents and coaches looking for a great camp this summer I highly recommend OUTDOOR CHALLENGE CAMPS! I went with the UNK wrestling team, not knowing many of them, and made great bonds! I learned much more then wrestling there. If you have any questions about the camp Steve is the guy! Again, http://www.outdoorchallengecamps.com would be a great camp for the summer!
Posted By: Outdoor Camps Re: best camp? - 04/20/07 11:01 PM
Notice recent changes in dates of OUTDOOR CHALLENGE CAMPS!
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Posted By: ak133 Re: best camp? - 05/04/07 06:42 PM
Beeson-I realize everyone is a little biased towards what moves/techniques work for their individual body type or wrestling style but saying that certain moves only work for 6&under seems a little ridiculous. I cannot speak for the Purler Camps because I have not been to one, but the Chertow Camps for me as a coach/wrestler have been a really good learning experience. I have had success at all levels with Twister/mixer/snake and could not understand why you would think they are not as effective as any other move. BTW that is only a small percentage of what the camp is about-but could be highlighted by someone who is pretty good at teaching those moves.

As Perez said he is great with the Snake and dominated with it throughout high school and continues to use it in college. Look at Johnny Thompson-he pinned many full grown men with it and no one said it didnt work.

I hope you are a parent and not a coach because each wrestler should be allowed to develop the skills that work for him and should not be subjected to such close-minded role models.

I have heard some really good things about the Outdoor Challenge Camps-they are supposed to be very physically challenging-similar to the Marine Boot Camp Obstacle course.
Posted By: Beeson Re: best camp? - 05/06/07 03:38 PM
I won two state championships in high school with the snake. It was what I was known for and guesse what? I still say it is a hack move. I'm not saying it shouldn't be in someones bag of tricks. I've just seen too many kids go out on the mat throw the snake, it doesn't work but they hang on to it until they get so far behind that the only way out is to keep throwing the snake. I've also seen kids getting schooled 12-0 throw the snake and win. I personally do not think the better wrestler wins in those matches, and because they win they are encouraged to keep using it. I have never seen the snake used in the NCAA finals at any level. For those who I have offended by belittling the snake...toughen up it is an opinion.
Posted By: Larry Perez Re: best camp? - 05/07/07 06:49 AM
So I still don't get your point! So what your saying is that the headlock and gramby are considered "hack" moves also. Wrestling is all about learning. Making mistakes and moving foward from there. Belittling a move that someone is having success with isn't showing anything. Adam Keiswetter not only showed but proved that the twister works at all levels. As for NCAA finals.........come on! Maybe I'll hit one in the finals next year for you!
Posted By: Beeson Re: best camp? - 05/08/07 01:31 AM
I never said the headlock or the granby were hack moves, although I've seen the headlock ruin alot of young wrestlers. I guess my point is that these moves do not need to be shown until the basics are mastered. Learn all the moves you want, pick your flavor of the month, but if you don't have the basics down before learning these it stunts your wrestling growth. This is the youth forum, 6U, 8U, and 10U should not be learning these moves in my opinion. And not to throw gas on the fire, but I would just work on making it to the finals instead of worrying about what move I'm going to use in the finals.
Posted By: Larry Perez Re: best camp? - 05/08/07 03:54 AM
Thanks for all your support! Your a great guy!
Posted By: Outdoor Camps Re: best camp? - 05/12/07 03:04 PM
If you are still looking for a summer camp, you won't find another like this. There is still room to sign up but camps are filling. We already have wrestlers/teams signed up from IA, OK, TX, VA, WA, CO, KS, NE, SD, and MN. Our youth camps already have an exceptional line-up with youth state place winners, state champions, Tulsa All Americans. Brute winners, AAU winners as well as high school state place winners, state champions, All-Americans and National Champions signed up for our other camps!

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Posted By: Larry Perez Re: best camp? - 06/02/07 08:04 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to all the Kansas boys that showed up to the Chertow camp! It was a fun instructional camp. Sweet thing was the the "snake" was his favorite move. The Kansas boys had a great showing, and I know Chertow was impressed with the way it went. If your still looking for a camp the outdoor challenge camps are good ones to go to! If you have questions about it e-mail me at larryperez06@netscape.net
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