I am sure that this has been brought up in the past. I am wondering what everyones thoughts are on having the kids step on the scale as they are checking in before each match. Here are some questions about mat-side weigh-in.
1. Will it help the kids enjoy the sport more?
2. Will this help our kids become better technicians?
3. If they are better technicians will they have a better shot of going on to college if they do so choose.
4. Would mat-side weigh-ins upset the parents or the kids?
There are pros and cons for mat-side weigh-ins. The biggest pro i see is that the best "WRESTLER" will usually win. In turn this will push the others to learn technique and not just cut weight and use their strength to win.
What do you all think????
Jason Wood
What happens when u make weight your first match then get hungry and get a bite to eat then fail to make weight in the next match?
My son was close to weight and weighed in alot in the morning, that way he did not have to pull weight. So now instead of wrestling 46 he would have to wrestle 49, we would be at a big disadvantage. Next year we might be at a big advantage, it is hard to say. None of your 12U, 14U, or 16U would be able to make weight all day at one weight. The system we have now is not the best system, but it is the best system we have.
I believe the best wrestler usually wins as the system is now.I think those who make excuses after losses because of size difference would find an excuse no mater what. Cutting large amounts of weight will not make you stronger,faster or more mentally prepared to battle.During a meet wrestlers should be concentrating on their next opponent,or mistakes they made in the last match, not on the next weighin.Weight fluctuates during a tournament not only by food and water intake but the length,number of matches, and effort put into those matches.A wrestler who spends his practice time learning technique and tuffness has a HUGE advantage over someone who "just cuts weight ".If that person is getting stronger by cutting this weight I would guess he was overweight to begin with.We live in a time where overweight children are the norm with health issues at epidemic levels.I do agree some kids are cutting too much weight but these are not the cream of the crop by a long way.The best will however cut out junkfood,pop,and other unhealthy foods during season and find a weight where they're lean and mean.Dedication is a good thing.IMO
Any wrestler could be able to make weight all day long. You just have to wrestle in a class that permits you to fluctuate throughout the day. It is THE MOST fair way to eliminate the CRAZY weight cutting that exists today. ESJ you are blind to what is going on if you don't think their is an advantage and that the current system is being exploited.
There is a strong chance that tournaments such as the Roller events will be mandating 2nd day weigh ins for multiple day events. I can't wait to see the reaction over that change.
Will is right on. The first time a kid could not wrestle well from trying to hold a weight too low, or was DQ'ed in the middle of the day for not making weight they would move up. After the initial settling in people would figure this out and everyone would have to move up. Then you would be wrestling the same kids as you are now just everyone would be natural weight. Except the kids that were cutting a bunch now they are up with kids there same size. It would be awesome!
24/7
I am all for 2 day weighins and 1hr.before competition.I do not think weighing 3,4,5,or 6 times a day would stop those inclined to extreme weight cutting to stop, just change their strategy.These kids sometimes don't make weight now and most just try harder the next week. There is an advantage for a lean and mean wrestler over one with some flab on them.Unhealthy weight cutting is just that, unhealthy (loss of muscle, strength,endurance,mental focus,poor immune system).It takes much more than a few hours to recover from this type of preperation.The natural weight of many of our youth is at an unhealthy level and they could stand to lose a few pounds,(adults also)but I do agree plenty are cutting too much and I see most losing matches they would be winning at a higher, more healthy weightclass.My son wrestled last years NJCAA 133lb. champion in this years 125lb championship finals (don't think the cut worked out in his favor).I, for one, am very glad he chose to exploit the system as Raymond Stephens was lean and mean at 133 last year. He might have been slightly larger than my son at 125 this year but is not the 125lb champion.
I personally DONT think that a KID would make weight all day long... Have u ever been to a kids tournament. If 16 onces of water equal one pound then how much water could you drink. The concession stand make a killing off of gaterade, pizza, and prob the only think the kids could buy to NOT make them gain much weight during a tournament is CANDY.
I know one think we do after weigh ins at every tournament is drink a mix of water / gaterade eat a bagel and some fruit then chill for about 30 minutes and repeat.
It will take a lot to convince me that someone isnt gonna gain weight by drinking water etc. on a tournament day... Keep in mind that tournaments can be an all day event.
I think some could, but what a way to spend a day if you want to be anywhere close to the weight limit.Weigh in before match,weigh in after match see how much you sweat off, then drink weigh again,take a dump,weigh again,eat something weigh again,go to the table before next match weigh again.Then repete for next match.
What a hassle especially with young wrestlers.Of course you could enter at a weight heavy enough where that would not be a problem but I am sure some will do this making a much larger size difference than what we now have.That time should be spent concentrating on wrestling,enjoying family and friends.As it is now maybe a few blessed with fast recovery ability from unhealthy weight cutting have an advantage, but most times a wrestler pays for unhealthy tatics.A few pounds difference is usually more of an excuse for a loss than a reason.
Just curious, what other combat sports that are weight specific have mat side or ring side weigh ins? Why expect more from kids then High School & beyond?
No other combat sport that weighs in that I am aware has over 8000 participants in KS and is nationally on this scale (get the pun). And I also believe that HS and beyond should do it, but I am more concerned at this point with the kids.
24/7
All of you detractors are completely missing the concept. Wrestlers enter in a weight that leaves them able to comfortably compete during the day without weighing more than the class they entered. It is a very simple concept. You step on the scale at the table, if you are on or under you wrestle if you don't you are disqualified. If you get dqed a few times you will move up a weight class. It totally takes the focus off of weight cutting. You might want to practice some weight management so you don't let your wrestler eat candy, drink pop, eat nachos, guzzle gatorade, etc. It is as simple as that.
I just posted this today on another topic on the high school forum and I think it is applicable here too:
I actually like the 2 weight rule... IMHO its crazy to see KIDS drop from 145-150 down to 125-119!!!
I agree. Anything wrestling can do to eliminate excessive weight cutting would be a big plus for wrestling. From my conversations with people outside of wrestling this is still a bad image that wrestling carries with the general public and it is often expressed to me as a reason why parents do not want their kids wrestling. More than one of these parents has told me they saw their brother or friend go thru hell in high school trying to lose excessive amounts of weight. There is a topic on the Mat.com website right now about Weight Cutting Horror Stories that is not what you would use as a wrestling recruiting tool and it is pretty bad if all those stories being told are true. I hope young wrestlers and their coaches will avoid this unfortunate syndrome in the future and instead "Wrestle Big and Wrestle Strong". Let their bodies grow like they should be for kids their age. Excessive weight cutting is just wrong and bad for wrestling.
Well well Will, sounds like so call detractors hit a nerve. By the way I haven't seen any detracting on this subject. Detract is defined as To reduce the value, importance, or quality of something; I see other opinions that are different from yours . Cutting weight is part of wrestling for older kids & professionls, same as boxing, MMA etc. end of discussion; as far as the younger kids go, my son wrestled at 58 lbs last year. On Friday his ritual after school was to check the scale to see if he was going to be able to have a bedtime snack after dinner or if he was going to have to skip the snack i.e. eat candy, drink pop, eat nachos, guzzle gatorade, etc. if he was under he would enjoy his snack, if he was over he would not, he never missed weight, he never ran, sweat, spit dehydrated, missed meals etc.; his reward for making weight was biscuits & gravy & an orange at the tournament for breakfast;why did he want to wrestle at 58 instead of 61? guarantee is wasn't that the competition was easier, he had goals & they all involved beating kids at 58 that had beaten him. now take that away from him along with the rest of the extreme sacrifice that he & the rest of our family glady endure every season & wrestling turns into a chore not fun kid sports. Your rule has to be reasonable for all ages as one of the greatest things about wrestling is the diversity of ages & backgrounds. Aren't the kids under enough stress already? Why add more stress to the tournament by weighing in 4-6 times a day!! Not to mention the bottelnecking problem that would happen at the tables. If anything adopt the same policly that high school has as far as hydration testing. That seems to be a pretty simple fix not to mention the logistics. "yes I know we don't have enough volunteers to work the tables but we also need 12 more for weighing kids 3000 more times." Yuck!
PatrickCavanaugh-I appreciate your opinion and welcome the conversation. I do believe you are missing the point. Matside weighins would ensure your son an all those he wanted to wrestle and beat were at 61. This would actually mean they could have more fun and have that bedtime snack. This would make less of a chore not more. This would make families learn about heathly eating at a proper weight and about and not purging and binging to gain an advantage. It would also mean those not as worried about their kids health as yourself would be forced to work within a tighter set of rules.
24/7
24/7- I also welcome the conversation but I feel the argument is flawed; regardless of the rules that are being suggested, the unhealthy practices that you listed will still be done. Only the kid will starve himself one additional day or will be like the horse jockey at the races & lined up to puke. Kind of reminds me of gun control laws; don't need new laws, need to work with the ones we have. Also, I feel fairly confident that this topic was not started to address 10/under wrestlers & younger; it is addressing the kids that already have one foot out the door as far as kids wrestling goes just like so many other topics that are talked about under the Kids Folkstyle section of this website. Is this rule that is being suggested going to help the majority of it's members? No. It is going to effect the minority that will have to go back to the old system as soon as they get out of kids wrestling! How about the logistices of this suggested rule change? We have a hard time rounding up 2-4 scales for a tournament, now we need 10-15? And they better be accurate. Otherwise kids are running from surface to surface arguing that the scale is wrong etc. Why not hydration testing 2x per year? This way we're not at the tournament til who know's how much longer then we are now. But hey, that's just my opinion.
I think that some sacrifice is a good thing... within reason... if u read my other post on the two weigh class high school limit that I am FOR u would know that I dont believe in cutting extreme amounts of weights... however if a kids is at 62 and wants to wrestle 61 and say dad I want to cut out a bed time snack in order to help myself tomorrow make weight.... maybe that kid understand something about sacrifice which u can use in all phases of life.
Doing hydration with high school kids is tricky... I def dont recommend it with the younger ones. <<shakes head>>
OK,
I raised this question to see (in my opinion) how many coaches and parents felt that the only way to compete was to cut weight. I also brought up this topic because of first hand experience of wrestling up to get better. If you want details PM me, I will gladly give them to you.
PatrickCavanaugh--How many times would the kids starve himself after getting beat time and again because he is weak? At some point and time the kids and/or parents would say enough is enough after being DQ'd or getting beat. No not just the 10U and younger. If they learn how to wrestle using great technique instead of sloppy technique and extra strength will they be better wrestlers in HS? Also, it doesn't have to be before each match. It was put that way just to get the topic started. Yes, it was started for the younger kids. Are the younger ones cutting because of choice or is it the parents/coaches? Accuracy of the scales-----give them 1.5# for shoes and singlet. If this isn't enough they need to bump up to the next weight. If they can't compete at the next weight up then they are NOT being taught enough/proper technique. Kids won't be running from scale to scale if they are told not to. If they are their parents or coaches are acting the same way then the coach isn't taking care of handling his club. Maybe they act that way because the coaches/parents act the same way??????? Maybe i am wrong but it seems that the fence is below you on this subject.
PatrickCavanaugh posted this on a different thread:
Sounds like there's alot of 6/under kids dieting or God forbid dropping weight. Am i the only one on this thread that thinks a 6 year old should not be worrying about weight the night before a tournament? Maybe the 6 year old should be wrestling up. unless you want the kid to hate wrestling before they get to 10/under.
esj:
If cutting weight doesn't give you and advantage as you stated that it doesn't, why do they keep doing it?
Travius:
It appears that you are a coach as i am with our club. In no way shape or form do i nor our head coach promote weight cutting, watching or dieting on a continuous basis. Dieting is ok, if, the kids needs to diet due to unhealthiness prior to stepping in the room. WE stress proper technique, mental toughness and proper attitude on and off the mat. It does concern me that if you are a coach, you seem to be promoting weight watching, maybe not cutting.
Travius stated:
It will take a lot to convince me that someone isn't gonna gain weight by drinking water etc. on a tournament day... Keep in mind that tournaments can be an all day event.
The concession stands make a killing off of Gatorade, pizza, and prob the only think the kids could buy to NOT make them gain much weight during a tournament is CANDY.
Question to Travius:
Aren't kids suppose to drink as much water as they can? Isn't it healthy for them? Isn't pizza one of the most favorite foods of kids? I hope that they are allowed to eat more than just candy. I would hate to pay for their dental costs later on. Don't know about you but i feel "let kids be kids".
If the wrestlers are taught the proper technique by their coach and learn to use it against heavier kids they won't have to cut/watch their weight. If they have to cut/watch weight here are some reasons they may be doing so.
Poor teaching
Not born to be a wrestler
haven't grasped the sport yet (but will later on)
Main reason for weight cutting?
Parents wanting their kids to win so they can beat their own chest?
Coaches wanting to look good due to how their program stacks up.
It is pretty sad when you sit back and really think about what some of these kids are going through to please others. Some are going through it because someone is telling them "you have to if you want to win". NOT TRUE You don't have to cut weight to win.
Jason Wood
To answer your question many kids today in this country are overweight and yes pizza is one of their faviorite foods,thats probably why they're overweight.An inshape lean wrestler has a huge advantage over a squishy pizza eating kid. Maybe kids shouldn't have to watch their weight thats the parents job IMO (give the kid some veggies) being overweight is dangerous,we may be the first generation to outlive our children because of eating habits.Those who are cutting too much are trying to find a way to win but it just won't work, being weak, sick,and malnourished is not an advantage it's unhealthy.If the kid is gaining strenght,speed,endurance by cutting he needed to lose the weight.I've seen boys at all ages wrestling that Quite frankly needed a bra,watched a show on PBS where a panel of Drs.Said unless parents started changing their diets they would be lucky to see 50 yrs.
I think u made alot of assumptions...
Strange but true I dont even like the fact that kids 3,4 or even 5 years old are wrestling...
I dont like the fact that if u do school wrestling with our freestyle state in June kids are wrestling 8 months out the year.
I dont like to see EXCESSIVE weight loss... However, YES I do promote a wrestler bein at the RIGHT weight for their body. Our school had a Tanita Scale that can tell you how many brain cells you have... well at least it does a good job of tellin u what weight class you should wrestle in.
Losing weight is about the individual. Everyone isnt willing or wanting to lose weight. I have a middle school kid who I coach now who only weighs 110 lbs. He say "Coach is wrestling and football kinda opposite because wrestling is about gettin smaller and football is about gettin bigger" I told him that wrestling isnt about gettin smaller, its about being lean and pound for pound.
I could be wrong but thats my coaching philosophy. Look at your High School state champions at every weight... How many of them wrested there natural weight? Many of them cut SEVERAL weight classes.
I have a kid who got may or may not have got burned by this very idea. You prob know who I'm talkin about its no real secret. As a freshman he wrestled 119 (maybe should have wrestled 112) as a sophmore wrestled 125 (maybe should have wrestled 119) as a junior wrestled 112 (maybe should have wrestled 119) and as a senior certified at 119 but wrestled at 125.
This in my opinion is a very weird case as a freshman we didnt CUT weight, through natural weight loss he weighed at regionals at 115 but had to wrestle at 119. Wrestled kids at 115.
Sophomore year wrested at 125 because the certification that year was moved to before Christmas and I didnt want to force him to cut alot of weight. He qualified for stated weighed in at state at 118. Wrestled Kids at 120.
Junior year he decided to work all summer and BULKED UP. He became very lean and wrestled at 112. Took second at state but was one of two kids to NOT weigh in on Friday night. Wrestled 120 for kids took second.
Senior year kept weight down all summer wrestled and certified at 119. Decided that he was a good enough wrestler to not try to pull those extra few pounds. Wrestled 125... weighed in at state at 124 on the second weigh in. I told him at that point he was prob the lightest 125 pounder in the state. He took second.
... I wouldnt say cutting weight made him a better wrestler but I'll go out on a branch and say that when he was leaner, he was faster, stronger, and more powerful.
I dont promote cuttin excessive weight. I dont recommend anyone in NOT in high school to drop more than a pound or 2. however I do believe in eating right and bein at the right weight for your body.
Excuse any typos
BWT Let the kids be kids but if you have mat side weigh ins and u let the kids eat biscuits and gravy, kriss cakes, and all the water and gaterade they want and see how many of them make weight...
And no if I'm coaching matches I cant control what kids sneak to the snack bar and get something... like you said kids will be kids no mater how much u teach them about nutrition ... kids will be kids.
The main problem with this idea is it MIGHT eliminate some problems BUT how many more problems is it creating???
WOOD_WON In no way am I defending dramatic weight cutting; I don't approve of cutting weight in any form at the younger ages as you so graciously proved for me by showing my past posts(that was pulled from 6/under state topic where parents were complaining about having to weigh in again if the kid competed at sub-district the day before); I also don't agree with this radical suggestion that you & others seem to be advocating with the matside weigh in; what I am trying to articulate in my post (evidentally not doing a very good job) is adding weigh in several times a day at a tournament is overkill & will make a long day longer & the already difficult task of organizing a tournament even more complicated & the wrestlers that are big weight cutters will continue to be big weight cutters; I do not believe a wrestler can cut 10-15% plus of total body weight in a short time & recover from it by gorging after weigh in; that wrestler is still going to be weak from what they have put there body thru the days leading up to weigh in. As far as this thread being about younger kids as you said in your post, give me a break! if you have a 10 year old or younger that has the discipline to drop weight then you probably have a 10 year old that has had some real bad role models brain washing there kid that this is the way to be competitive. Example: my son got sick 2 weekd before subdistrict & dropped from 58 to 55; I asked him if he wanted to try to wrestle at 55 for the upcoming qualifying tournament? He said yeah he wanted to; I told him he was going to really have to watch what he ate if that was going to happen; He was back to 57 in 48 hours; now my son is extremely competitive,motivated etc. but at this age has no concept not to mention the discipline to watch his weight not to mention drop weight. I'm proud to say that's the way it should be, by implementing this constant weigh in are you maybe putting in the spot light exactly what you are trying to eliminate? Obsession about weight! Peace
Mat side weighing does not complicate it simplifies. They are killing our sport with all of these hydration and body fat rules. They are expensive and complicated. NO ONE can cut 10% and keep it off all day and be at the top of their game. I will tell you right now that mentally my son would be shot. The Friday night weigh-in is almost liking winning the championship for him. I am not one of those dads who says "My son doesn't cut." Ryne frequently pulls 10% for big tournaments, big tournaments that he wins. If he had to pull 10% and keep it off all day he would wilt. He will tell you right now that he hates weight cutting but he will also turn around and tell you that more the most part that is the best way to put yourself in a position to win. Mat side weighing eliminates all of the other goofy, expensive rules to control or prevent those from cutting. You cannot cheat the scale! Physically and mentally you will not be at the top of your game and if you can do it than more power to those who can. Keep it simple and inexpensive and keep it fun.
Multiple weigh ins in a single day is ridiculouse. I will give an example of the multiple weigh in flaw. If you have a wrestler that weighs 99 pounds naturally with no dieting at 7 am weigh in time, that same boy will not weigh 99 pounds at 10:30 unless he has not eaten or drank anything all day. So now we are going to ask the natural 99 pounder to wrestle up at 105 so we dont have to watch what he eats all day? Bad idea in my opinion. I do not condone cutting weight and would not allow my son to do so but he does wrestle whatever weight he is closest too. I feel it is the coaches and parents responsibility to monitor weight cutting and eating habits. To penalize all kids with multiple weigh ins is just wrong and bad for the sport in my opinion
How does it penalize? The rule applies to ALL wrestlers so they ALL have to make the weight. You lose weight during the day by wrestling and by just sitting around. It is the parent's responsibility but many are in it to win it and they burn their kids out by making them cut weight. Buy or rent a copy of REVERSAL. This isn't a penalty. There are many, many papers being written on this topic. Don't be surprised if you don't see it happening very soon.
I agree with those who say that it is the parents responsibility to monitor the child's weight. We were faced with this this past season. Our son wanted to stay at a lower weight than what he finished at. He was very frustrated with us because technically he had been 1 or 2 pounds under the lower weight, but we knew he could gain several pounds at any given time, he is a growing boy. He always seemed ill, irritable and we were very worried. After going up in weight, he decided that we were right because he wasn't stressed about what he was eating which made him concentrate more on wrestling. Sure he missed wrestling a kid that he really wanted to wrestle again because he had lost to him earlier in the year, sure he possibly could have placed higher at state if he stayed at the lower weight. He actually said "Thank You!" after his first tournament after the change in weight. I only write about this because it has been a learning experience for us, and hopefully it will help others. It is not healthy for our youth to be so stressed out over such simple decision. The multiple weigh-ins would not be such an issue if we (parents and kids) all followed this. I'm assuming that the multiple weigh-ins would apply to dual tournaments as well for those kids who come from out of state. This would quarantee that our kids have a fairer bout.
One of the things that I would like to see changed is what is served at tournaments. Why is so much junk served? I know it is easier to candy, nachos, pizza, etc. I was happy to see more fruit being served this year, but why not serve even more healthier items? I guarantee clubs would make just as much if not more off of sales. Maybe kids will realize even more the importance of a healthy diet, how it makes them stronger. Just a suggestion.
I appreciate your response mr. cokeley but I dont think that watching Reversal will change my perspective on anything. I wrestled in Pennsylvania for 13 years. I was fortunate enough to live that movie with constant weight cutting, and not for my own gain. In high school the weight loss or gain is not for the betterment of the athlete it is for the betterment of the team(In the school I went to anyway) Wherever I was needed that is where I went up or down. I never ran from anyone( got spanked 12-1 by Cary Kolat) and i wrestled with some of the best. In my opinion going up or down doesn't matter you are gonna run into some pretty bad boys in every weight class. Here is a suggestion for the kids group. Beginning of August when school starts we have a mandatory weigh in for all who are going to participate in kids club for the year. At that point weight is decided based on what they hit the scale at. So if you weigh 92 you can wrestle at 90 all year if you choose to but no lower and if you weigh 93 you can wrestle at 95 all year no lower. This seems like it would work.
But of course the argument will be that parents are gonna make their kids suck weght all summer. In that regard their are parents out there that are gonna make their kids suck weight nomatter what we try to do to stop it. The ones that believe sucking weight gives them the edge are gonna continue to find a way to do it and while it is horrible for their kids and for the sport their are rule breakers and benders in every sport. We should concentrate on making the sport better and more appealing to the kids rather than how to make weigh ins more difficult. We should be having fun in practice as well as learning and teaching discipline. If you want to keep this sport alive and growing (as i know you do ) then we must let these kids have fun at practice, at tournaments, etc. Kids club is a time for the love of the sport to develope, not a time to push the kids into hating the sport. I watched alot of good wrestlers quit before highschool in my day and would hate that to continue to be the rule and not the exception.
I mean no disrespect to anyone just letting my opinion out there
M. Pirl
The link below gives some more views on the subject. Posted on the HS forum last Jan.
http://www.usawks.com/forums/ubbthreads....=true#Post98769 MAT-SIDE WEIGH-INS would make this sport more exciting and the kids would benefit greatly.
What would prevent a club from holding a tournament now with matside weigh-ins? Why do we need to change or make some rule? We currently have tournaments that weigh-in on the honor system or give tollerances or require everyone to make weight. Why not allow the free market system to work and if a club WANTS to host a mat-side weigh-in, they can do so. If a tournament of this type is supported with entries, it would make sense that others would follow suit and have mat-side weigh-ins.
ok umm 1st off iam a wrestler well iam going into hight school but i have friends and famliy that will be wrestling for club next year and i just would like 2 put my word n that even tho i am a kid and u moms and dads (not saying all of u) but most of u do not know what it is like to cute weight and i think that kids will not wont 2 wrestle and love the sport as past kids have and i have seen many hurt wrestler n my time do 2 weight cuting and i think that we should keep it the old way and jsut weigh n on a friday night or a saturday moring because if u really want 2 see good dog fight like u have n the past on the mat a good wrestling match then u will not let mat side weight in's go in effect becase u will not see kids with as much engery and u will even start 2 loose kids and u will start 2 realize how poor the sport will become and i also would like to say i dont wanna be wrestling at sub and have 2 not eat cuz umm yeah that jsut dont work for me but listen 2 my valid points because u are hearing them from a wrestlers point of veiw
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I'm glad to hear your going to continue your education in high school! They have got a job to do in the next four years! Don't worry to much about the wrestling... hit the books!
I was going to comment...but I just couldn't pull the trigger. Too many fish in that barrel.
I like that you are trying to give us a perspective. I think that as a youth caught up in this world ran by adults you feel lost, so it is good that you spoke up and gave an opinion. Now here are three points that are going to help you get this point of mat side weigh in accross to other adults.
#1 don't swear on this forum. Especially in the Kids forum. Please edit this. Adults are the ones that read it, but some kids get on here every once in a while. #2 Mat side weigh in's would bring more kids to wrestling, because it takes the emphasis off of weight cutting. #3...I understand that times have changed and people communicate differently, but if you want people to take you serious speak English and use periods. It helps with credibility and helps us, the reader, understand what you are talking about.
Keep it real, stay in school, and don't do drugs.
coach craig,
Thanks for seeing the light.
Jason Wood
Thanks to all that helped this youngster through the ropes!!
Thanks to all that helped this youngster through the ropes!!
I'm not so sure that was a youngster. Seemed like an imposter to me. There is a point at which you have to find it hard to believe our public school systems are failing that badly.
... that might be the case and if it is, shame on you!
But if it is youngster of the "text message" generation ... I hope you take full advantage of the public school systems educational offerings!!
matside weigh ins are a bad idea. some kids would not eat all day. cutting weight is part of wrestling, just about everyone who has ever wrestled cut weight at some time. just live with it.
Posted by rassler:
Re: Schoolboys Duels June 6-10 [Re: 24/7]
rassler rassler
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Posts: 5 I think if this is being used a a qualifier to make the national team, everyone wrestling should be required to make the weight they want to wrestle at. Especially at the upper weigts.
With th wieght classes going from 130-145-165-185.
Your saying a kid wanting to wrestle at 145 could show up at Manhattan weighing 155 and say they will make weight. That would be unfair to the natural 145lb kids. The same thing hold true for 130, 165, 185. Make the kids make weight and keep everything fair.
Are you on both sides of the fence? You used the words natural and unfair about the kids cutting weight? Please explain your position. Cut weight and be unfair or wrestle natural and be fair? You have to choose one or the other.
Side note:
Why don't all posters on this forum leave their real name? I have never understood that. Well, i guess that is why there are people that are in the front running with their faces and names out there and others in the background just talking about what needs to happen. Hope everyones summer has went well.
Jason Wood
Woody,
If you understood my post about schoolboy duals you would see that i was advocating the kids cutting to make the weight they were going to wrestle at schoolboy duals.With a 20lb difference in between weights I thought it was unfair for someone that weighed 155 saying they were going to wrestle at 145 but not made to weigh at 145 for this tournament
Same question. Why not? I really think that if a few tournaments would implement this it would take over and start a trend. Why can't we as Kansans start this trend. These kids have plenty of time to cut/manage their weight in HS and college.