Kansas Wrestling
Am fielding this question for a start-up topic.
I think the main reason is the lack of trust amongst adults. People have cheated the system in the past and a lot of people are concerned that kids won't have to make weight. I know that there are some that will take advantage of the system but I think the benefits for all of wrestling (at the kids level) outweigh the risk of the few who might cheat the system.

Personally, I don't see why we don't do this for open and novice tournaments (I don't support remote weigh ins for qualifying tourneys). We are talking about kids wrestling and most of our weight classes are only 3 lbs apart anyway.

Shawn Budke
I certainly agree with you Shawn.

Most communities have a certified official that could easily take a Friday night weigh-in option or even a Thursday night weigh-in (Hosting Club Director's discretion) for perhaps $10 to get their children through a remote weigh-in or perhaps an Athletic Director (yes, I know you guys are really busy--but just may happen to be at the school).

We've been wrestling a great deal in Oklahoma and Missouri and we encounter many more opportunities for remote weigh-ins in both of the state's. With the weights being only 3 lb increments (primarily) I see that we all need to RELAX and let the kids get warmed up rather than making weight in the morning and enjoying a fun day of wrestling if they've done a remote weigh-in prior to the event. This would also include a skin check as well.

The Integrity issue is something that is amiss. Children learn from adults.

High School tournaments run by remote weigh-in for their duals, weigh in's at the site for qualifying tourney's.

What's stopping us Kansas folks at the Kid level
I am for the remote weigh in's. If you are cheating then it will show up when you try to weigh in for our qualifing tournaments. This will help with starting tournaments on time. If you cheat then it is on you and you will soon be figured out. I have to coach my wrestlers to be ready no matter what and sometimes that includes playing on an uneven playing field. Again, I think if you are cheating the system you will be figured out soon enough.

Coach Craig Adams
Carroll Jr Wrestling
the positives far outweigh the negatives. it's the whole police the criminals not society, thing. even if you would do remote weigh-ins, randomly select three wreslers from the clubs who did the remote, and weight them the morning of. allow a 1 or 2 pound difference, first and second time are warnings, 3 strikes you're out. tournamets could report the exceptions on the wed site and the state could track it. i don't just some brain storming. i just think we should let the kids wrestle, i think we sometimes "major in the minors"
I thought I read where someone mentioned having a paid certified Referee doing the remote weigh in would be a way to handle the issue of cheating or abuse. I am all for that. Could even pay two Referee's in my opinion, that way you have 2 witnesses. Question would be if a tourney could absorb into their expenses or not. May not happen this year, but if anyone wants to get this going you will have to bring these issues up when they have State meetings and get something put into the bylaws to make it uniform and controlled. Otherwise you are looking at people coming up with 10 different ways to make this a mess as well.
My prediction is that we will start to see remote weighs-ins in KS and I think it will be a positive change for everyone. I love the idea of making it easier for families to attend tournaments, committing less time and less dollars and believe remote weighs-ins will allow for this. The benefits do outweigh the negatives but I also think with a little effort the negatives can be mitigated even more. I would definitely support remote weigh-ins with a certified official or District Rep present. Being consistent in our approach with this is also critical and believe the state could help in this area. To date I believe there are several reason why remote weigh-ins haven’t been utilized: being a new concept for KS, giving up some of the control, making their weigh-in practices public!!, and logistics of conducting it.

The move in that direction is happening. I would be interested in the state’s input on this. Ned, Richard etc. can you provide any thoughts on this and the state’s possible role.
I certainly support the idea of remote weigh ins. We did it for the Manhattan Freestyle/Greco tourney this summer. It was easy. I weighed my kids in and then called the tournament director with the exact weights. It was great! Showed up about 45 minutes before wrestling was supposed to start, got warmed up, and wrestled. Very easy.

Here's a question a still don't quite get the concern...

Why should we have to worry about tournaments or the state absorbing the cost of paying referees to be at the weigh in sites and certify the weigh in?

Here's my thoughts.....

1. Any additional cost will eventually be passed on to the wrestler either in the form of increased tournament entry fees, increased USAW cards fees, etc. Personally, I would rather invest in a little trust in my fellow adult administrators at the remote site and not increase the cost for the kids.

2. You guys say you want the refs to certify the weigh ins at remote sites.....to me that means you trust them. Yet, every Saturday and Sunday I watch all of US (yes, I include myself) not trusting the judgement, eyesite, etc. with some of the calls these same officials make during a match.....now I know us coaches are always right and have much better judgement in those cases so obviously we could do the weigh ins at remote sites much better too! (OK, this is a little sarcasm.....I'm just kidding with this one)

Shawn Budke
Originally Posted By: Jeff Smith
The move in that direction is happening. I would be interested in the state’s input on this. Ned, Richard etc. can you provide any thoughts on this and the state’s possible role.
The rules for sanctioned tournaments allow the tournament director discretion in establishing weigh-in procedures.
Shawn, if there were to be a cost to the club, never the state, for this I would think it would be a nominal one. For the small cost and the integrity gained IMO it would be well worth it. I will leave the rest of your question alone. LOL.
TRUST!!! just weigh-in friday night or sat. morning or move up a weight class. For those involved in pee-wee football. The kids have to weigh-in to see who can carry the ball and who can't. They don't have remote weigh-ins for that and everything seems to go just smooth.
It's the trust issue. I know when I wrestled in kids wrestling all those years ago. How coaches stood behind wrestlers with a clipboard and lifted them up to get the scale to break.

Mark Baldwin
If most of the people in wrestling are honest, why have weigh ins at all? Why not have the kids and parents PROMISE to make weight before leaving home for the tournament.

I would vote against the idea of remote weigh ins at local or qualifying tournaments.

Bob Steele

Lets leave it the way it is - its not broken - why bring in the "CHANCE" for scales that don't measure the same or poeple that cant read a scale. How about matside weighin's - that would stop all issues with travel schedules and the youth weight cutting problem @ the same time. What's stopping that?
Either the wrestler makes weight before he/she hits the mat or they go home. Here is an outside the box idea. How about "WEIGH OUT"'s. If a wrestler places at a tournament they must "weigh out" ,like 2 pounds over, their prescribed weight or forfeit their place.
My suggestion ... have a couple of tourneys try both options! Perhaps, one could do home-site weigh-ins and another, do matside!
The sport of wrestling is a true investment. Time, emotion, and yes, money.
I think remote weigh ins (RWI) have a lot of positives and the negatives can be managed.
I think RWI would also help people travel to tournaments that they would usually not go to.
I also hear that there is a lack of good officals in KS.
Remote weigh ins could help with all of this.
If a CLUB was to charge the parents $2-$5 bucks each to pay a ref to oversee a weigh in. Then they would save lots of gas money and time. More then one club could go in together and pay even less.
A ref could make some good (easy) money on a friday night.
I heard people say we question refs during matches and why not at a weigh in. Well the numbers on a scale are a lot less subjective then the question of did he have control. lol
I have also heard of clubs allowing teams to have a supervised home weigh in in exchange for table workers!!!
I think there needs to be weigh ins no matter how close the weight classes are.
Well I am done rambling and doing all this typing on my phone!
Let's help move this sport forward and get this practice of RWI perfected and start using it to help grow our sport!
MATSIDE!!!!!!!
birddog, as you know, matside will keep some from winning. This is where the parents/coaches are putting the "winning" before the "competeing/improving/fun" of the sport. People, HS is where weight mgt and weight cutting is a fact of life. I have posted before promoting matside weigh-ins. And here were some of the responses:

1. they wont be able to drink all day
2. they wont even be able to go get a candy bar.
3. no snacks all day.

MY personal favorite is:
What happens when u make weight your first match then get hungry and get a bite to eat then fail to make weight in the next match?

MATSIDE weigh-ins bring:
technical improvement of our youth
kids that don't end up hating the sport
kids that are happy the 2-4 days before

NO,
MATSIDE weigh-ings are not that big of a problem to do. How hard would it be to have a scale at each table and as the wrestlers are checking in the ref approves the weight of each kid.

There are a few national tournaments that if you step on the scale and are over weight by any amount you have to bump up and you pay ANOTHER entry fee. The weight cutting at these tournaments is less than any other circuit out there.

Just my opinion. Everyone has one. Everyone is entitled to their own.

Randy,
What can we do to try some of these ideas?
BLT
What is wrong with the matside weigh in? Their is no extra travel expense, either make weight before you hit the mat or don't wrestle. The "weigh out" is even better as it would allow for nourishment.
Birddog
To be very honest I am not sure the reason why I don't like the idea of matside!!! LOL! I understand the idea behind it and if I was at a tournament that had it I would follow the proceedure. I just prefer to do Friday night only weigh ins and allow RWI to accomadate those that might have issues with making two trips to a location.
I just want to try make our days shorter, tournaments easier to run and start on time, and make it easier so that hopefully the kids that are very aggressive with their weights can have it all over a little sooner.
Those are my basic reasons and I think that with the fact that Trackwrestling is here to stay that these ideas will help make tournaments a little easier!
Shortening tournaments and making them easier to run should be the credo of USAWKS! These two factors our huge within our high school structure too. (Saturday the 17th I had a 19 hour day and Saturday the 24th I had a 20 hour day)

I might prefer matside weigh-ins over remote weigh-ins. First, the trust issue would be a non-factor. Some local tourney just needs to give it a try!

I am also a proponent of showing up, weighing kids, grouping them in 4's or 5's and running round-robins!

I understand the need for defined weight classes in our State Tournament Series but do we really need them for the local tourneys? We need to get away from a 10-year-old, having to watch what he eats, all week, every week, for 5-months!

I think our emphasis is far to much on, "making weight" instead of wrestling!! After all, I think WRESTLING is in our name!!
My wife is the director of our club & my job is running the trackwrestling system. I want to do block wrestling next year. If I get my way rossville tounament will use this system next year. This is how it works. You dont have to worry about your weight! Your wrestlers weigh in I will enter the actual weight they weigh in at. Then I will enter the desired percentage of weight difference & bracket tourny. Advantages are 1-full brackets less byes-- 2-different competeition than you will normally see during the year.-- 3-DONT WORRY ABOUT MAKING WEIGHT.-- 4-this gives track wrestling system more freedom to seperate A&B ranked wrestlers from the D&C. I will try to let every one know a month or two before tourny so you dont have to worry about weight. I have been using this system some what for the last two years. If a wrestler enters at say 52LBS I have been entering there actual weight as 52. Next year I will enter the ACTUAL WEIGHT of each wrestler & this will make it a little more fair.
Randy, Jason, Will and anyone else familiar with matside weigh-ins I am curious of a few things.

I can’t help think this would be a logistic nightmare. Using Derby as an example, we had 12 mats, we do not have 12 scales available and to borrow these would add just another thing to the list. Should we share scales between mats, wouldn’t this delay matches? And what happens when someone doesn’t make it? Do they forfeit just that match or are they scratched out of the tourney? Doesn't this also create a problem with warm ups for the competitor and the matches following? I am not against it just not familiar with the flow of the tournament utilizing it.

Randy, I would agree with you that the emphasis should be on wrestling not the weight and again not being familiar with grouping kids together in a folkstyle tourney, only the laid back-smaller freestyle tournaments, I am curious how much this would delay the start of the tourney considering the bracket preparation. I guess this could be done with Friday night weigh-ins also.

IMO, the perfect tourney is as follows.

Everyone remotely weighs-ins Friday night (supervised) thus minimizing the time and expense. Everyone makes weight or realizes they need to move up. No one cheats, tries to switch or manipulates the system.
Brackets are prepared Friday night and released asap via trackwrestling or otherwise.
The tourney starts on time.
The tourney allows double entries, wrestling up etc.
The tourney ends at a reasonable time.
Oh and lastly, the bathrooms are clean with adequate paper products.
One more thing I could have all clubs weigh the wrestlers at thursday practice & e mail us their actual weight I would be willing to try this. What do you think? You would not have to weigh in at tounament site at all!! I do have to clear this with the coaches & parents, but this is How I would like to do it.
Mike, we used remote weigh-ins last year for those teams that had a distance to travel. I emailed a form to record the actual weights, they were emailed it back to me, but I also requested that the head coach sign off on the original and bring it the day of the tournament. Then on the day of the tournament, the kids who used the remote weigh-in checked in at the head table and had their skin checked at that time. We plan on doing this again this year. We also offered Saturday night weigh-ins, which we will be doing again this year, but not as many people utilized this. I think we advertised it too late last year. It was nice to have several actual weights the night before.
BLT,

That was me that made the comment about the refs....please understand that I made the comment jokingly. It was not meant to be taken seriously.....of course having referees supervise the remote weigh ins will bring credibility to the process.

As far as debating between remote weigh ins, matside weigh ins, or blocking......heck I think all of them are better than what we do now. I say this coming from the perspective of making things easier and less expensive for the parents, less time consuming and helping tournaments run more efficiently.

I think all of these ideas are great. It would be fun to see different tournaments try them.

Shawn Budke
In regards to the remote weigh-ins in which the tournaments we've wrestled in Oklahoma and Missouri -- everyone seems to appear very honest and we're all having a great day of wrestling rather than holding up the line trying to weigh in first thing that morning.

There is a spot on our entry form for actual weight and entered weight. Haven't seen any potential fudging going on. Just getting there to wrestle and having a great crowd and a big bracket and having a FUN day.
Having just gone through the tournament where over 60 clubs sent in their wrestlers weights, which I only hope they had a chance in their wrestling room to confirm what was entered, I would say there had to be no less than 50 incorrect weights, (of the 700 entries), that made a difference in what weight class they would have competed in.

One was an incredible 50 lbs. off!! :-)

Couldn't you just see that matchup as they walked onto the mat?!

You had better verify the weights somehow.

Jeff
Jeff,

I understand what you are saying but I don't think we can use that as a realistic comparison. The reason I say that is because of the different level of concern a club would have on a kids weight if they were responsible for reporting the weight.

For example, in our club we try and check the kids weights but we leave it up to the parents as to what weight their kids will wrestle. We also explain to the parents and kids that if they don't make weight they won't wrestle. Having said that, we don't check their weight right before they go weigh in at a tournament.

If we did remote weigh ins then I would be weighing them on Friday night. If they weren't on weight then I would scratch them when I sent in the weights that night. It would save the tournament director's from having to scramble (like you so graciously did for one of our wreslters) to put them in a different weight class or deal with a lot of scratches on the day of the tournament.

Shawn Budke
Well that should settle it. Remote weigh in dont work! After hearing this we will have on site weigh in next year. This would mess up so many brackets It would take hours to fix. I dont think I want to take a chance on starting at noon. The old on site weigh in is not that bad of a system. If a wrestler is not at correct weight its simple to fix before tournament. After bracketing this is much more complicated.If any one has an idea how to to this without having this problem I would like to hear it. The great thing about on site weigh in is all mistakes are found BEFORE BRACKETING this is a must IMO. Thanks for the post Jeff.
So the kid cant wrestle because of a parent or coach mistake. We want to fix all mistakes & let all kids that show up wrestle. Jeff tried what everone wanted & It did not work! The rossville tournament will do whats right for the kids & all kidsthat are there & pass skin check will wrestle.
Well I think we are going to try to do some RWI at the Haysville tournament. We will set up a form and some criteria for verification and ket some of the clubs that are traveling (and that we trust) use it and we will see how it goes.
So if you are planning on coming to the Haysville tournament in Feb and would like to try to set up some RWI. Please PM me and we will see what we can work out!
Michael,

I dont think we turned any kids away because of weight. We used Trackwrestling and were able to have Friday Night weighins and then a short 1 hour weigh in on Saturday to get some that didnt want to travel the night before. We closed weighins down at 7:40am ( went 10 mins. long due to weather) and had brackets posted and printed for sale before 9:00am!

I am a firm believer in the Split Format!!!

Started wrestling at 9:00am and wrapped up the morning session( 6-8-14's) around 12:30 or so...( I think, was a little busy in comp. room ).

I will mention that because of the split format we do have late weighins for the PM session from 10:30am - 11:30am and all went fine.

Started the late session(10-12's) at 1:45pm and I think we were started cleaning about 6:30pm. Many were gone long before this time though.


Jeff
Jeff, My post was in response to Budkes post. I think you answered the question this thread is about. We can speculate all day what will happen & ignore what happend to you----or we can learn from your experience. Me personally I will just take your word for it & weigh in on site, unless some one figures out how to do this without the problem you had. 50 clubs---over 50% wrong weights this is two much error & nightmare for director & wrestlers & familys. Good for concession sales LOL.
Michael,

I must not have communicated effectively if you interpreted my post saying that remote weigh ins won't work. Personally I think your argument proves the necessity for remote weigh ins....let me give you a couple of examples based on some of the problems that Jeff mentioned....

1. Typo, coaches error, tournament director's error on weight class (the 50 lb example Jeff mentioned). If that was one of my kids and we were do remote weigh ins, as a coach I would have caught that on Fri night when we weighed in. Then I would have called Jeff and informed him of the mistake and given him the kids exact weight. No brackets would have been filled out yet and so (as in your own words) it would have been really easy to fix.

2. Kids weigh in over weight. If we were doing remote weigh ins on Friday night and the kids was over weight, as a coach, we would have 2 options available. The first would be to contact the tournament director and see if we could move him up. Shouldn't be a problem because the brackets aren't done yet (your words). The second option is to tell him he can't wrestle because he didn't make weight. Tournament director's call.

Now let me clarify about Jeff and Mill Valley....If my earlier post insuated in any way that kids didn't get to wrestle because they were over weight.....that is my mistake. This did not happen as far as I know. Jeff and the staff bent over backwards to ensure kids got to wrestle. What I was trying to convey was that is what we tell our parents can happen if kids don't make weight. We do this so kids that are close will hopefully move up to the next weight class. We do not support the kids cutting weight but ultimately that is up to the kids and their parents.

I don't think we want to throw the baby out with the bath water here. I think it is worth a try. I also think a lot of the problems that Jeff talks about would have probably been identified during remote weigh ins (I'm assuming here).

I do agree with Jeff that Split tournaments are the way to go.

Just my thoughts.

Shawn Budke
Originally Posted By: Jeff Broadbent
Having just gone through the tournament where over 60 clubs sent in their wrestlers weights, which I only hope they had a chance in their wrestling room to confirm what was entered, I would say there had to be no less than 50 incorrect weights, (of the 700 entries), that made a difference in what weight class they would have competed in.

One was an incredible 50 lbs. off!! :-)

Couldn't you just see that matchup as they walked onto the mat?!

You had better verify the weights somehow.

Jeff


Hey Jeff,

How did you implement the remote site weigh in?

The no less than 50 incorrect weights you mentioned is way to many. Were the incorrect weights entry errors? If so, were they entered incorrectly by you guys, or were you given wrong weights by the clubs?

I personally think remote site weigh-ins can work. Here is what I am considering for our tournament.

option 1

1) Thursday night remote weigh-ins, skin checks, hair and nail checks for clubs who pre-register w/ TW.
2) Each club would e-mail me a list of their kids with their actual weight, and an acknowledgment that their skin,
hair, etc. was checked and passed.
3) I would then enter each kids actual weight
4) Saturday morning, 1hr 15min prior to the start of the tournament, we would have a quick coaches meeting where I
have a print off of each clubs roster. The club representative would check their roster and let me know if a
kid is going to be a scratch. This meeting shouldn't last more than 5 minutes. This would also give the club
a final look at their roster to make sure nothing was entered incorrectly so changes can be made.
5) Once I receive each clubs roster back, and make the necessary changes, it would just be a matter of getting your
tournament built.

option 2 (I'm leaning towards opt #2 if Justin confirms a couple questions I have regarding #2 below)

1) Thursday night remote weigh-ins, skin checks, hair and nail checks for clubs who will pre-register w/ TW.
2) There is a setting you can change to allow statisticians to enter the kids actual weight if you choose to not
have a friday/saturday weigh-in. This will allow the clubs when pre-registering to enter actual weight.
I just e-mailed Justin @ TW to make sure I am understanding the setting correctly.
3) Saturday morning, 1hr 15min prior to the start of the tournament, we would have a quick coaches meeting where I
have a print off of each clubs roster. The club representative would check their roster and let me know if a
kid is going to be a scratch. This meeting shouldn't last more than 5 minutes. This would also give the club
a final look at their roster to make sure nothing was entered incorrectly so changes can be made.
4) Once I receive each clubs roster back, and make the necessary changes, it would just be a matter of getting your
tournament built.

Does anyone see why this wouldn't work?

Good night!!


Greg Pelland
Pratt Wrestling Club
620-388-4294
clubs that try this please post on here how it went. I would like to know.
Originally Posted By: Jeff Broadbent
Having just gone through the tournament where over 60 clubs sent in their wrestlers weights, which I only hope they had a chance in their wrestling room to confirm what was entered, I would say there had to be no less than 50 incorrect weights, (of the 700 entries), that made a difference in what weight class they would have competed in.

One was an incredible 50 lbs. off!! :-)

Couldn't you just see that matchup as they walked onto the mat?!

You had better verify the weights somehow.

Jeff


Originally Posted By: Pelland
The no less than 50 incorrect weights you mentioned is way to many. Were the incorrect weights entry errors? If so, were they entered incorrectly by you guys, or were you given wrong weights by the clubs?

Not to pick on this one incident or any club in question, but for all those that say we should make sure every kid gets to wrestle each weekend regardless of the weight at which they were entered, you are only serving to cause more of these entry weight "errors". If there is no incentive for a club director/coach/parent to enter their wrestler at the correct weight then these types of "errors" will only continue to multiply over time. Until such time as we go to "block" wrestling we need to have strong enforcement of the entered weights and make sure that these types of problems are kept to a minimum. If we will start sending kids home who did not make weight and not "working them into a bracket" and holding up the entire tournament, you will see these types of "errors" decrease. As others have stated 50 weight "errors" are FAR too many and is totally unacceptable. Another way to combat this is for clubs to take full responsibility for the weights and entries of their wrestlers and not the parents.
The forms that we have used state the entered weight and the actual weight. Should not be an error here except for the person weighing the kid or the legibility of the handwriting.

I can't imagine the 50# mismatch if the entered weight was adjacent to the actual weight...would have been a red flag for someone.

Greg, I can foresee your 50 feet ahead of everyone as well as Michael....we've just not had any problems in this avenue. In Oklahoma they do desire that the arms are marked according to how they prefer. In Missouri they have the kids "check in" and have their arms marked. In any event things are sped up so incredible you can't imagine!
Greg,

As far as I know, Mill Valley did not do Remote Site Weigh Ins.

We had to weigh in at Mill Valley either on Friday evening, Sat morning or Sat around noon (depending on which session you were wrestling).

That is why I don't think we can use it as a comparison to a tournament that tries remote site weigh ins.

Sportsfan,

I agree with most of what you said, however, I don't think you can make clubs soley responsible for kids making weight. It has to be a team effort between the club and the parents. I do agree that block wrestling seems like it would solve a lot of these issues.

Shawn Budke
Originally Posted By: shawnbudke

Sportsfan,
I agree with most of what you said, however, I don't think you can make clubs soley responsible for kids making weight. It has to be a team effort between the club and the parents. I do agree that block wrestling seems like it would solve a lot of these issues.

Shawn Budke

No, my point was to make the clubs responsible for the entries and tracking the weight of each wrestler. My guess is that most of these errors are as a result of parents taking care of their own weight records and/or entries. In our club each wrestler is weighed at the end of each practice and that weight is recorded by the club. When a parent comes in to sign-up for a particular tournament and asks what the kid has been weighing we can tell them. Then if they ask what weight to sign-up for we also offer advice based on the weight classes for that age group and how close the kid is to the next higher weight. Then that kid is entered in the tournament by a club director at that age and weight.
Thursday night skin checks may cause an issue - if something surfaces in the next 36 hours that did not show up Thursday night. Weigh ins - just need to be honest. I think we as clubs should do an alfa weight at the beginning of the season. We should be trying to prevent kids from bouncing up and down 7 to 15 pounds per week. This example is not the same thing but I lost 13 pounds in 8 hours in college and put it back on in 1.5 hours. College has implemented new rules since those days. That is all I have.
This has been an interesting thread. I still dont see how it will work. I belive that most clubs would take the time & effort to give accurate info. I still dont see any idea on here that will solve the problem of inaccurate info. Hats off to the clubs that want to try this. I think that all clubs should WEIGH ALL WRESTLERS AT THURSDAY PRACTICE & send that info---no guessing. I dont think cheating will be the problem it will be guessing & mistakes. in the last two years I have been brackeing tournament at rossville there have been apprx 25 weight changes per tournament with on site weigh ins. As I said they are easy to change before bracketing approx 10 seconds per wrestler. After bracketing it takes aprox 5 min. you must reprint new bracket & bout sheets affected & remove affected bout sheet from tables & replace with corrected ones. I would guess 25 weight change after bracketing would take 1-2 hours to fix. Thats 4-5 min per change. This would not be acceptable IMO.
I really like the idea of RWI. I know we can figure out some guidelines and make this a very good option for some tournaments.
I try to see both sides and the credability of the weigh ins seem to be the big hang up.
The other thing would be kids that are moving around in weight classes. A kid wrestles all year at 58 and then at a RWI tournament he drops to 55. Not a big jump but maybe enough to raise a little question as to the honesty of weigh in.
I think there are some negatives but there are a lot more positives.

I think we (the talk forum) needs to keep coming up with possible loop holes but when we do, try to have an answer for it as well.

TOGETHER we can make this a very usefull resource for next year.

JMO
solutions, that all you need. i think that registered official should do the remote weigh ins. most if not all communities have one. the re- bracketing shouldn't be such a big deal. is it really that big of a deal if a tournament is started 30 minutes late? as was said in another thread no one sets out to do any of this on purpose. mistakes and accidents happen. i have seen seedings on 1 bracket take 30 minutes, then 4 totally different kids qualify. my point is start trying to figure out ways to make it work, start setting guidelines and work your way through it. change it as problems arise. i mean this is a wrestling forum, it's not about being easy, or quitting when a challenge arises. stop thinking of ways to not try, and come up with ways to make it work, we have done it in the past. it will work.
Pelland,

As Shawn said we did not have a remote weigh-in.

We did Friday night, Saturday AM and Saturday mid day weighins.


The weight errors were not entered incorrectly by our club. They were the weights that were sent in by the clubs.


One great aspect of Trackwrestling was that we had the general format of the tourney set prior to final entries and just had to adjust a few brackets affected by the changes and we were set to go.
"Sent in by clubs" now can we know how Kathy Juby feels when we can't get it together for membership and coaches?

Good ideas Josh in regards to Change.

BLT if a kid is going to drop to 55 just because of a RWI that's incredible .... and unbelievable ethics that a club would allow the kid to drop down and he doesn't weigh the weight. It's truly dispecable that a club and coach would stoop to falsification bottom line.

And then who knows how many kids that have truly wrestled falsely? Because bottom line they're not winning there either! So go figure--in the RWI's we've been involved with.
So you guys didn't use Trackwrestling? The trackwrestling entries I have sent in have a list of the weights to click on, you don't type it in, so it would be hard to "send in" an incorrect weight wouldn't it?

One other question that you computer geeks can answer for me. Is there a way on trackwrestling to "save" a kids' info so that when you type in his name, his USA card number, birth date, etc pops up so I don't have to pull my file out every tourney to reenter that same info?

Thanks
Doug
I'll move the above post to the trackwrestling suggestions forum
Doug747, Once the kid is entered into TW you can "assign" them to your pre-registration login. That way any tourney that is using TW you login, find the kids assigned to you and check which ones you are entering, confirm their weights and then they are entered. You also get your invoice at that time to show how much you owe the club (assuming they are not using online payments).

I just did this for our kids we entered into the GEWC Novice tournament. If the kid isn't in TW yet, you can do it at that time and they will be saved for your or anyones use at a later time.

That's a good topic to document the process. thanks for the idea!
I think I have them all registered now. Just waitin' for a TW event to go to!! To see if it was worth while. So when I want to register them for a tourney, where will I click first? List of tourneys?
Originally Posted By: doug747
I think I have them all registered now. Just waitin' for a TW event to go to!! To see if it was worth while. So when I want to register them for a tourney, where will I click first? List of tourneys?


Correct, click the tourney, click pre-reg, login and from there you will see the list. If the kid isn't there, there is an "add" link. PM me if you need help I'll walk you through it.
Thanks. Actually I almost have all the kids' birthdates a nd USA card numbers memorized I've typed them so many times, be it TW or entry forms...!!!

Doug
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