Kansas Wrestling
Posted By: KansasBoy Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 02:05 AM
There is a kid who has been at 14 and under for 3 years now,he wrestled 14 and under 100 this year atDistrict 4 i just think this should be checked out.

Thank You
Posted By: BLT Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 02:09 AM
you might want to put a name!
Posted By: KansasBoy Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 02:16 AM
He took 1st at District 4 you do the math.
It would probably be nice to get this taken care of because im sure there is a 5th place kid willing to go to state.
Thank You
Posted By: Packerholic4 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 03:03 AM
U got my curiosity up.
Did some research.

2002 8U 52 lbs.
2003 8U 55 lbs. State qualifier
2004 10U 58 lbs. 5th at state
2005 10U 64 lbs. state qualifier
2006 12U 72 lbs.
2007 14U 80 lbs. 2nd at state
2008 14U 90 lbs. 5th at state
2009 14U 100 lbs. District champion state qualifier

looks like he wrestled up in 2007 instead of wrestling at the top of the age group in 12U.
Posted By: KansasBoy Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 03:06 AM
That is illegal correct?
Posted By: Beeson Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 03:11 AM
That is illegal...lets take away his placing in 2007, would that make you feel better? I don't think it warrants kicking him out of the tournament this year.
Posted By: KansasBoy Re: Is This Legal? - 03/22/09 03:13 AM
ok well thank you beeson i just wanted to know if he was supposed to be in 16 and under this year or if he started 14 and under early and if anything could be done about it this year.
Posted By: JLB Re: Is This Legal? - 03/23/09 10:17 PM
Rules are rules. It should be checked out at least. Maybe the coaches and parents didn't know better. If not then they need to be informed.
Not really fair to all involved no matter how you look at it.
Posted By: GarateKids Re: Is This Legal? - 03/23/09 10:23 PM
so u guys are sayin that even though he is 14 and under, he shouldnt be wrestlin 14 and under cause he wrestled up in 2007? or u sayin he shouldnt have wrestled up in 2007? i dont see whats wrong
Posted By: awrestlersmom Re: Is This Legal? - 03/23/09 11:13 PM
What is the difference in all the 6 and under boys wrestling at district in 8 and under and then wrestling sunday at 6 and under.
I think they should pick their true age and stay there. How many true 8 and under boys were knocked out because of that. And why do they get to wrestle in both? Lose one, try another? Just like their weight. There were too many boys that I know that dropped weight for a better position to go to state. These are only kids mostly 10 and under. Some dropped 9 lbs! How healthy is that? It's not the kid's fault-they don't think of dropping weight unless encouraged to do so.....
Posted By: Cyclone Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 09:12 AM
I believe what the original poster meant was to be sure that this wrestler is not supposed to be at 16 and under this year. He may have wrestled up the first year he was at 14 and under and was actually only in the 12 and under age bracket. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, unless for some strange reason it is stated in the rules that a wrestler can't wrestler up at subs, disrict, state. (I don't think so though, because of the six and under wrestlers who wrestle 8 and under.)

I would want to have his age clarified also if I saw this in my wrestler's bracket. However, as of yet, unless it has been in a pm to the original poster, it hasn't been.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 09:40 AM
Originally Posted By: Cyclone
He may have wrestled up the first year he was at 14 and under and was actually only in the 12 and under age bracket. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, unless for some strange reason it is stated in the rules that a wrestler can't wrestler up at subs, disrict, state. (I don't think so though, because of the six and under wrestlers who wrestle 8 and under.)
Rules Modifications for Qualifying Tournaments
Rule 4
No additional age or weight classes are allowed. At no time will a wrestler be permitted to wrestle out of their age division unless it is specifically stated in these standing rules.

The divisions are 8 and Under, 9 & 10, 11 & 12, 13 & 14, and 15 & 16.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 09:44 AM
Originally Posted By: RichardDSalyer
Originally Posted By: Cyclone
He may have wrestled up the first year he was at 14 and under and was actually only in the 12 and under age bracket. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, unless for some strange reason it is stated in the rules that a wrestler can't wrestler up at subs, disrict, state. (I don't think so though, because of the six and under wrestlers who wrestle 8 and under.)
Rules Modifications for Qualifying Tournements
Rule 4
No additional age or weight classes are allowed. At no time will a wrestler be permitted to wrestle out of their age division unless it is specifically stated in these standing rules.

The divisions are 8 and Under, 9 & 10, 11 & 12, 13 & 14, and 15 & 16.


Saw that coming a mile away. Way to keep 'em honest Richard.
Posted By: Cyclone Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 10:15 AM
Richard, thank you for the information on the rules. That being said, why then is this wrestler at 14 and under for the third year. As I mentioned before, I think that is all KansasBoy is trying to find out. Is he actually 14 and under this year and the error was made back in 2007 (which of course can not be changed now), or should he be wrestling 16 and under.
Posted By: AmMoDaWG Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 11:32 AM
I believe he is at the top of 14u..my son used to wrestle him years ago and they were alwasys the same age..so, that would make the issue 2007 when he should have wrestled 12u...
Posted By: eastkswrestling Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 11:53 AM
It is my understanding from these posts that you are not allowed to wrestle up in age brackets. It doesn't take a lot of common sense to see why. Look at the 10 and under 52 pound bracket, for example. There are only 8 wrestlers in the state bracket. There are a tremendous number of 8 and under 52 pounders who did not make it to state because they had packed brackets and were beat out at subs or districts. I remember as a kid seeing several of my buddies place at national tournaments or state tournaments with only 4 people in their bracket while I was slugging it out in 16 man brackets. That was the advantage they had in being 14 and weighing 80 pounds (or whatever it was). I bet there are a lot of 8th graders out there who would love to wrestle 103 in high school and try to be the first 5 time state champion in Kansas history.

If a rule was broken in 2007, the question is what to do about it now? Maybe there is an explanation. Whatever the case, it looks like the kid may be the first 3 time 14 and under medalist.

I think KansasBoy has a legitimate concern.
Posted By: Mike Juby Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 11:53 AM
I just noticed this topic and did a little checking with our membership records. According to this wrestler's birthdate, he should compete in the 14U age division this year. If he competed in the 14U age group two years ago he was in violation of our rules in that year and should have been disqualified. Our rules do not penalize him this year for an infraction two years ago.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 12:14 PM
Originally Posted By: eastkswrestling

If a rule was broken in 2007, the question is what to do about it now? Maybe there is an explanation. Whatever the case, it looks like the kid may be the first 3 time 14 and under medalist.


Well,

Here are the U12/80 pound State placers in 2007. That could explain a lot.

1st Levi Eck Brawlers
2nd Hunter Haralson Baldwin
3rd Dylan McKinney Paola
4th Regis Weiss III Russell
5th Wyatt Villers Ark City
6th Collin Sommers Derby
Posted By: mommy Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 12:30 PM
I believe it is quite clear why this boy decided to wrestle up instead of where he should have wrestled. He had an advantage...fewer kids...easier competition..better chance of placing?? That is the only time he made it to the finals....hasn't done so well the other years..when he actually has to wrestle the competition. I think it is really too bad that parents would allow their child to "cheat" ...just so they would have a better showing a state. It is even worse that a club would allow this to happen. How many other kids in this club were allowed to do this as well?? Might be something worth looking into. How do we keep this from happening again? Providing birth certificates at Subs? This might be something to be discussed at the State Body meeting next year.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 12:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Mike Juby
I just noticed this topic and did a little checking with our membership records. According to this wrestler's birthdate, he should compete in the 14U age division this year. If he competed in the 14U age group two years ago he was in violation of our rules in that year and should have been disqualified. Our rules do not penalize him this year for an infraction two years ago.


However we do create an exception allowing 6U kids wrestling in 8U. USA Wrestling allows Cadets to wrestle Juniors as well. Perhaps in this case a closer look should be given to the birth records and verification should be made to insure that we don't have a case of an "altered" proof of birth.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 12:49 PM
Originally Posted By: mommy
I believe it is quite clear why this boy decided to wrestle up instead of where he should have wrestled. He had an advantage...fewer kids...easier competition..better chance of placing?? That is the only time he made it to the finals....hasn't done so well the other years..when he actually has to wrestle the competition. I think it is really too bad that parents would allow their child to "cheat" ...just so they would have a better showing a state. It is even worse that a club would allow this to happen. How many other kids in this club were allowed to do this as well?? Might be something worth looking into. How do we keep this from happening again? Providing birth certificates at Subs? This might be something to be discussed at the State Body meeting next year.


NO MORE PAPERWORK!!!!!!!

Come on folks! There is NO WAY we want to do that. No matter how many "rules" you make someone can circumvent them. I personally, and I would venture to say that the vast majority of those who read this, do not have ANY problem with a wrestler moving up a age group. That is NOT CHEATING! Are we trying to become KSHSAA?

We just started requiring the presentation of a birth certificate this year. Which, by the way, USA wrestling does not require. This rule was created because one of our executives DID NOT do their job and review the birth dates of wrestlers before entering them in a tournament. Kansas ended up with egg on our face because we had a wrestler INADVERTENTLY wrestling in an age group below where he should have been. That whole deal could have been prevented if an ADULT would have done their job. Instead the youth is paying the price for this situation. Just as in this case. The CLUB DIRECTOR should be on top of this or the parents. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not advocate making wrestling more paperwork intensive! Give up this post and move on!
Posted By: windjammer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 12:55 PM
Will,

16 and under 100 is a two man bracket this year. Would you be okay with 4 six year olds rounding out the bracket so they all could place? If you say it's not cheating, then where do you draw the line?
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 01:10 PM
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Perhaps in this case a closer look should be given to the birth records and verification should be made to insure that we don't have a case of an "altered" proof of birth.
Will:

As I recall, you did not believe it to be necessary for USAW Kansas to request verification of birth dates!

Birthdate verification????
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
All of this is really quite unnecessary. The problem could have been alleivated with a simple evaluation of existing data. The accountable parties should step up and take responsibility for the root cause of this paperwork nightmare.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 01:34 PM
Originally Posted By: windjammer
Will,

16 and under 100 is a two man bracket this year. Would you be okay with 4 six year olds rounding out the bracket so they all could place? If you say it's not cheating, then where do you draw the line?


Windy,

I think we would all agree that one age class up is reasonable. Leave it to someone to take it to an extreme and be unreasonable. 8th graders are NOT allowed to move up to Juniors even if they are Cadets. We allow 6 to move to 8 so why not allow anyone who wants to BUMP up ONE age group do so? In high school you mix 14U with 16U and Juniors. That is two age groups. I guess if a parent is a big enough idiot to put their 6 year old on the mat with a 16 year old we could just turn them in for child abuse! smile
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 01:39 PM
Originally Posted By: RichardDSalyer
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Perhaps in this case a closer look should be given to the birth records and verification should be made to insure that we don't have a case of an "altered" proof of birth.
Will:

As I recall, you did not believe it to be necessary for USAW Kansas to request verification of birth dates!

Birthdate verification????
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
All of this is really quite unnecessary. The problem could have been alleivated with a simple evaluation of existing data. The accountable parties should step up and take responsibility for the root cause of this paperwork nightmare.




Richard,

For the RECORD, I DO NOT advocate the mandate of showing a government document to prove age. I believe that 99.9% of our parents and wrestlers are honest and I don't want to create a bunch of unnecessary rules for that lucky lottery winner who wants to lie about their age.

You know exactly where I was going with my comments above as you are one of the members that has the "privileged" information regarding the situation I spoke of. A situation where the wrestler's birth date was CORRECT on his USA Card but he was allowed to enter the wrong age group because a member of our executive organization did not do their job which was to merely sort a spreadsheet and group by Cadet and Junior age groups. This would have clearly displayed the error and alleviated a lot of political crap and a nightmare for a young man. The responsible party should step forward and lay on the sword because we are SUPPOSED TO BE IN IT FOR THE KIDS!!
Posted By: GarateKids Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 05:07 PM
i dont see the problem of 6u wrestling 8u in subs and so forth.. givin the fact that there is no6u category for them.

i understand not being able to wrestle up when there is an age roup for u but when u dont have an age group of 6u then u are 8u....
Posted By: 2coach Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 05:49 PM
Mommy, you seem a little rude toward this boy. Has he done something to you to cause you to put him down like this. I dont think he's a bad wrestler and I serious do not think he was running from anyone. Heck I saw him wrestle at high school state, and came up one match short of placing. To make it to state as a 14 year old and do that good must mean that he can wrestle. Maybe he was letting the "competition" at 12 and under have a better chance to place and felt it was tougher at 14 and under.
Posted By: shawnbudke Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 05:59 PM
Personally, I don't know who the individual is that we are talking about. Can I look it up and "do the math"....sure....don't want to. Suffice it to say, I think there are a couple of kids in District 1 at that age and weight that will more than likely make him wish he had gone 16U.

Shawn Budke
Posted By: mommy Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 06:07 PM
I was simply stating my opinion,as does everybody else on this forum...I don't think he is a bad wrestler. I have seen him wrestle for many years as well. It probably wasn't even his decision to wrestle up..I'm sure parents and coaches had a big say in the matter. It also does not matter what his intention of wrestling up was...the point is..a rule is a rule. If everybody else abides by the rules...he should have to as well.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 06:09 PM
Shawn,

Very good observation. I have seen three of them in D1 the last two weekends (same age/weight) that could give anyone in Kansas a run for their money.
Posted By: 73wrestler Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 06:57 PM
If not mistaken i think the rule was changed after that season? I may be wrong but then it was not a rule.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 07:14 PM
Originally Posted By: 73wrestler
If not mistaken i think the rule was changed after that season? I may be wrong but then it was not a rule.

No, it has been a rule for many many years.
Posted By: 73wrestler Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 07:16 PM
Are you sure?
Posted By: 73wrestler Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 07:18 PM
I think there was a change back in october of 2007
Posted By: doug747 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 07:36 PM
I have no problem with a kid moving up an age group. More power to him. It is pretty rare that you will find a kid moving UP an age group to find EASIER competition.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 08:21 PM
Originally Posted By: 73wrestler
If not mistaken i think the rule was changed after that season? I may be wrong but then it was not a rule.
I researched the standing rules as far back as 2000-2001 and the rule has not changed.
Posted By: 73wrestler Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 08:26 PM
Ok thank you for correction.
Posted By: 73wrestler Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 08:35 PM
Where can i find when changes were made?
Posted By: iWRESTLE125 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/24/09 08:50 PM
Dang KansasBoy, you must be proud, you got a two pager started.
Posted By: usawks1 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/25/09 06:38 PM
... and what if the club entered him in the wrong age group in 2007?
Posted By: 3badboyz Re: Is This Legal? - 03/25/09 11:28 PM
You must wrestle in your age group in qualifying tournaments. IE. subs, districts and state. I appears the infraction was when he was in the 12U age group. It has been this way for a long time. It has been this way at least 7 years because a thirteen year old (12u age group) who was confused about the cutoff date after moving here from Oklahoma wrestled 14u at state. We did not say anything, it was an honest mistake and it cost a kid from our club a place.
By the way, wrestling is like the only kids' sport you do not have to provide age documentation. All baseball and football at least for the sports I am familiar with.
Posted By: 2coach Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 12:04 AM
Yeah, what if they entered him in the wrong age group?? You sure would not want to say anything to anyone then cause the higher ups sure would not let you wrestle then. It happened this year to a little boy who was put in at 8 and under instead of 10 and under and the so called dictators or directors of kansas wrestling would not let him wrestle. That is wrong, and because of that honest mistake he was not allowed to wrestle at subs. And what is even more sad, is that was his first year and he just wanted to see how far he could go, now thanks to that decison he said that he was done with the sport. I guess I don't get it we always want kids to go out for this great sport but yet you guys seem to take it away from them when it really counts. I can honestly say That I did not even want my boys to have anything to do with Kansas Wrestling after hearing this. But my boys love this sport and taking it away from them would be doing what you all did, and I would never scoop that low. I think you all got to remember this sport is for the kids not for you all to make dumb decisons like you did. I hope this gets to the right people cause you know who you are....
Mike Rodriguez
my # 620-255-1001
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 01:26 AM
2coach,

I think we just went from apples to oranges on this one. The apple, a wrestler who was incorrectly entered an age group up and, the orange, a wrestler who was incorrectly entered an age group down. The apple wrestled all the way to a 2nd place finish in State, in the wrong age group. The orange, was not allowed to wrestle Subs because he was in the wrong age group. The apple didn't seem to have a problem with wrestling up in age and apparently no one figured it out. The orange got hosed because someone figured it out, and the dictators/directors wouldn't allow him to wrestle because he was entered in the wrong age group. I believe that the orange should have been allowed to change age brackets and wrestle. In fact, I can't believe he wasn't.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 01:35 AM
Mr. Rodriquez

At your convenience, have me paged this weekend in Topeka and I will be happy to discuss the appropriate rules and procedures in place to ensure the integrity of the state championship tournament series.

Have a safe trip!
Posted By: powercat1 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 02:24 AM
I also know a young man that, this year at subs he was entered in 16&U and he should have been in 14&U, but knowing if anything was said he would not have been allowed to wrestle, so nothing was said. 2 years from now records will show that he spent 1 year at 14&U and 3 years at 16&U
Posted By: R. Scott Edwards Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 02:24 AM
2coach,

You know I done what I could to get this young man moved. Dont go putting the blame on the DICTATORS for a mistake that their coach made. They were the ones responsable for entering each kid in their age and weight bracket on Track Wrestling. The rules were in place and they were followed across the State. I know a kid was entered in the wrong weight group in D1 and it was not caught till after the seeding meeting and that young man did not get to wrestle. We had another young man in the 14 and under that was actually 16 and he was not able to wrestle either.

The rule in a nut shell says that no changes after the seeding meeting unless it is a clerical error done by the Tournament Director. Now that we are using Track Wrestling, the Tournament Director is not the one entering the kids and their age. With the clubs doing the entering, mistakes are going to happen. As Tournament Director, you are not going to be able to know if a child is entered in the right spot. You can check the paperwork with what is on Track Wrestling but there are still going to be misses and mistakes.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 03:02 AM
My bad. I thought that a wrestler entered incorrectly in an upper age group should have the chance to be moved and wrestle. The Earth is not round after all.
Posted By: 2coach Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 03:32 AM
Richard,
I know the rules, do I think they are right, no. When it is an honest mistake then I think things need to be done to let these kids wrestle. The paper work had him at the right age the parents did what they were supposed to do. The coach just mistakenly put him in at 8 and under. Mistakes happen right, or do they not around you?
And as for you Scott, it was not directed at you buddy or even Mr. Woody, I'm talking the higher ups. You know who did not let this little boy compete, they are the people who should be ashamed of themselves. Sorry if you thought I was speaking about you, my mistake...
Posted By: shawnbudke Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 12:23 PM
Scott Edwards and all,

This comment/idea is not meant to point fingers....I have struggled with this during the season....I think we may need to modify the rules since we are using Trackwrestling. Here's some details....

1. My understanding is that the rules say you can't make changes after the seeding meeting unless it is a clerical error made by the TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR. In my opinion, this is a dated rule that needs to be updated based on clubs entering wrestlers and not the Tournament Director. Under the old system the tournament director entered the kids and had the final sanity check. The responsibility for correctness/clerical errors fell squarely on their shoulders. Now, that responsibility falls on the clubs personnel who are responsible for entering wrestlers in trackwrestling.

2. Therefore, I recommend we modify the rule to say "unless it is a clerical error done by the individual responsible for entering the wrestlers."

My reasoning for this is that honest mistakes are made by those entering wrestlers in Trackwrestling. It is always a hectic time during sub registrations and honest mistakes are made. I think we need to update the rule so we can make it more user friendly and supportive of the kids. There is absolutely nothing worse (as an adult) than having to look a kid in the eye and try to explain that they did everything right and because we made a mistake they can't wrestle. Our system needs to be flexible enough to allow us to fix honest mistakes in support of the kids.

I also know that some people will try to game the system. So once again we are back at adults not trusting adults with the consequences impacting the kids. We really need to get over that.

Shawn Budke
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 01:25 PM
Originally Posted By: shawnbudke
I also know that some people will try to game the system. So once again we are back at adults not trusting adults with the consequences impacting the kids. We really need to get over that.

Shawn Budke


The purpose for many of the rules is to prevent adults from gaming (CHEATING) the system. In a perfect world there would be no need for rules.

The fact remains there is a provision in place for team coaches to review their entries PRIOR to the start of seeding at the seeding meeting. The rules and are not the problem - it is the adults.
Posted By: dave matthews Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 02:30 PM
this is getting old,what happened 3 years ago is in the past.there is nothing we can do now,if it was a mistake they should of done something then not now.my son has this kid first round,you dont here me complaining.i just signed up here because this topic was getting old.i am looking forward to see my son wrestler him at state,so lets just drop this subject and lets have fun watching some good wrestling this weekend.
Posted By: badbo Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 02:34 PM
My son is also in the weight, I agree. Drop it and let him wrestle.
Posted By: 2coach Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 04:28 PM
I'm not talking about what happened three years ago, I'm talking about what happened this year to a little boy. The point is because of that honest mistake this little boy will no longer wrestle ever in kansas kids wrestling.... what a shame
Posted By: dave matthews Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 05:12 PM
this message started with the one i was talking about,you guys started with the others kids.
Posted By: Nedly Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 05:32 PM
2Coach,

I understand that you are upset on this issue. I take no delight in making the decisions to follow the rules that we have in place when in turn makes a young wreslter miss the chance to wrestle.

I take offense to the term dictator! You no not know me if that is how you think I am. I talked with many people over this issue before we made the final decision.

The rules were followed here whether you like or not. If you do not like the rules please bring me a request this weekend for a rule change and I would be happy to take to the rules committee.

I look forward to meeting you this weekend.

Ned Price
Posted By: dave matthews Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 05:46 PM
nedly i guess i am confused about your last comment.are you saying the kid is not wrestling at state?
Posted By: badbo Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 06:15 PM
Two kids talked about within this thread. Perez from Ulysses is wrestling. The kid that was entered in the wrong age this year is not.
Posted By: 2coach Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 06:27 PM
Ned, you have what you need in front of you, take this post to the committee. I dont need to see you there or anywhere for that matter. I'm done with this post, oh and I call it like I see it Mr. Price...
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 06:59 PM
Originally Posted By: Nedly
I take no delight in making the decisions to follow the rules that we have in place when in turn makes a young wreslter miss the chance to wrestle.

Ned never apologize for or feel bad for following the rules. That is what they are there for even if it does cause some kid to miss a match or two. Without rules we have anarchy.
Posted By: tmchenry Re: Is This Legal? - 03/26/09 10:16 PM
May I ask why the tool on Trackwrestling were you enter your childs birthday and it automatically puts them in the correct age group was not used for subs? When I registered our kids at McPherson and Pratt this is how is worked. You put in there DOB and there age group popped up. I entered the correct DOB just clicked on the wrong age group.
Teresa McHenry
Jr. Cardinal Wrestling
Posted By: doug747 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/27/09 01:05 AM
That is another thing that Pi$$es me off. A valuable tool that trackwrestling is capable of, and we don't use it. If that was used, we could NOT enter a wrong age group, it wouldn't let you.

Do away with the subdistrict signup forms, use ALL of the tools for Trackwrestling, and it will be much easier on the person entering the kids.
Posted By: John Johnson Re: Is This Legal? - 03/27/09 01:31 AM
Sportso2 have you lost all focus on what this post has evolved into. A kid - who worked hard all season - lost the chance to try and qualify for state - because an adult made a mistake. It was pointed out before wrestling started and because of our rules - he could not wrestle. You said Ned should not appologize for this. Even though it is not his fault, the rule needs to be amended and Ned as the person in charge should appologize - not take blame. Now it just needs to be changed. I would believe we should give our e-board the power to correct situations where adults make a mistake and a kid suffers. I really feel for this dad. I understand his anger, but lets direct it at fixing the problem and Doug has a good idea.

On the other kid, let him wrestle and lets drop a 2 year old mistake. Probably another accident made by an adult - that could not be reported because he would lose the chance to wrestle.
Posted By: mmeditz Re: Is This Legal? - 03/27/09 01:33 AM
Track wrestling is only 2 years old(here anyway). Last year the majority of the clubs that used TW were dry running it because they were going to be hosting a sub or district event later and needed to get familiar with it. Be patient, all the bells and whistles will start being utilized as we go.

Hopefully after we all know how to get the most out of TW these problems will be caught in time.

Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Is This Legal? - 03/27/09 02:19 AM
Originally Posted By: John Johnson
Sportso2 have you lost all focus on what this post has evolved into.

You've got that right! I lost track of what all this thread was about a long time ago. But that doesn't change my mind about rules or the rules being less important than any one kid or kids. If the rules need changed then change them, but don't say we need to bend or break them in the interim. Many kids have been disappointed over the years due to mistakes made by adults. Believe me, I've had to apologize to both parents and kids for mistakes I have made. In those situations you do a meaculpa and move on. Like I said, I have lost track of what exactly this mistake was and do not care to have the story repeated but I also haven't seen a good way to fix what I perceive happened.
Ned has nothing to apologize for, any more than the rest of the executive council does.
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