Kansas Wrestling
Posted By: Nedly USA Kansas Kids State Championships Selection - 04/20/09 02:59 PM
The Kansas Kids Executive Council has awarded the State Championships form 2010 - 2012 to Topeka.

Yesterday the council met and listen to three wonderful presentations from Wichita, Hays, and Topeka. All three cities can feel very proud of there presentation teams as they represented each city in a very proud way and made our decision a very diffcult one to make.

There was a lot of debate on the length of time to award the bid and the choice was three.

Everyone on the council recognize's the need for us to make changes in our sport, and we felt that three years gives us the time to study all the issues, make plans to take to the memebership to be discuss and then we can all agree on how to proceed forward.

Please keep in mind that Wrestling in Kansas is on solid ground right now. Memeberships continue to grow, in are current season we are up 300 wrestlers from past years. Nation wide we continue to hold the number four spot in memebership behind California, Illinois & Indaina. Our membership is active both in state but on a national scale as well. Plus our State Tournament conitunes to the priemer event in our state and we is recongized on a natiional level as being one of the best and we want to keep that going.

So as we move forward please become part of the process when ask to volunteer to sit on a committee give up some time, when ask your opinion please feel free to share, let's keep working together to make wrestling and our state championships the best in the country.

Please join me in thanking Wichita and Hays for wonderful bids and congratulations to Topeka for being awarded the State Championships for the next three years.

Ned Price
Executive State Director
Kansas Kids
Ned,
I thought that the last time it was voted on was the time to: "Everyone on the council recognize's the need for us to make changes in our sport, and we felt that three years gives us the time to study all the issues, make plans to take to the membership to be discuss and then we can all agree on how to proceed forward."

The only proceeding I see is driving east.

Just one more reason to MOVE east!

Once again, no change!!!!!!!!!


Wow. Once again our fearless leaders continue to amaze at the level of arrogance they project. Like you can come to our little meeting but you have to sit in the corner and be quiet because we have big people things to do. I would think that they would start listening to the people they represent or at least look into things that should be a priority for the safety of our kids like background checks for officials so that we don't have people with felonies officiating (this would be felonies with violent acts and involving hard drugs like meth). I would like to know a couple of things. 1. Who voted for what city. 2. When do we vote for the positions that these people hold.
Having to deal with the tounament in the Expocenter AGAIN is a great example of the executive board lending a def ear to the "State body"-again. Or is the Expocenter planning to expand their facility and make it more user friendly?
They are learning by example from the U.S. government no doubt.
I am glad my kid will be in H.S. next year. We won't have to go back again.

Wow what a surprise it stay's in Topeka... Yeah, when do people get to vote for people making these kind of choices. You would of thought that 20+ years would have given you all enough time to study all the issues. Either you all want to keep it in Topeka or just don't care about the people in the western part of the state...
sorry to disagree with you 2coach but it has nothing to do with the western part of the state. They don't care about ANYBODY in any other part of the state.
After reviewing the bids it was clear the board had to vote for Topeka. It was a unanimous vote.
In my position as an ex officio member of the Executive Council, I attend all of their meetings but do not participate in any votes. Hopefully, therefore, I can comment here without appearing to be simply defending the vote by the Council.

Your representatives took their obligations very seriously in last Sunday's meeting. Significant discussion took place concerning both the length of the contract and the location of the tournament. Although there were heated discussions on several aspects of the proposals, the ultimate vote on the location was unanimous. Several members expressed their regret on casting their vote for Topeka, since (for various reasons) they had strongly supported one of the other bids. However, the total package provided by Topeka for the benefit of USAW-Kansas Kids carried the day.

Finally, I would strongly recommend anyone who is dissatisfied with the votes by the Executive Council to consider becoming involved in your district's management. Most of the voting members of the Executive Council are elected by their district and work primarily for that district. These are good people - if you have concerns about the direction the state is moving in, let them know. If you want to become active in setting this direction, run for a district or state office. We always need enthusiastic, energetic people!
Mike,
when are the current terms for the members up. It's time for a change. Let's get away from the good ole boy system.
We (the general body) do not even know what the proposals were! How can "we" condemn our leaders when we don't know this info!!

I have to believe, based on what Mike has said, and knowing the position of D2 leaders and others throughout the season, that Topeka must have presented a better package.

I love some of the passion in some members of our body but I have to think ... their passion is clouding their brain. Going in ... I believe if Wichita or Hays would have been, even close, they would have got the bid!

Personally, I wish someone other than Topeka would have received the bid! But I have full confidence that our leadership is voting what they think is best for Kansas Wrestling!

Democracy would work a lot better ... if WE voted the way I feel!!
J. Dale why disagree with me at all, you have your reasons and I have mine...
2coach read it again. try to read the sarcasm into it. i agree with you but to a greater level.
Forget the location, it SHOULD have been a one year deal. The three year deal is an attempt, I believe, by some members to stonewall change. You can talk change all you want but if you don't act on it then that makes you a hypocrite.

Randy, I know it was complicated but it shouldn't have been. In today's world the proposals SHOULD have been made available on the internet for EVERYONE to review. The "behind the doors" secrecy and elitist stance that some members of the executive board try to protect has to be eliminated. If it cannot be said to everyone then it shouldn't be said. If you cannot open the meeting then I don't trust you and I believe no one else can either.

A unanimous vote for change followed up by a vote for three more years of status quo is a joke. Poor Ned, he had support for a one year deal and then everyone ran scared. I realize that the financial aspect is important but how important is it when you give away $3,000 to a camp that should be able to stand on its own? That is $3,000 more that could be saved to make the financial decision easier to deal with.

Wichita did not put forth a favorable effort. I for the life of me do not understand why Bryan Hargrove and his cronies didn't just give away the farm at the Kansas Coliseum for a one year deal? Get away from Topeka for a year and give the District 4 people a break on drive time for Pete's sake!

As I told Ned last night. It isn't okay. Three more years of no spring break. Three more years of no NCAA tournament. Three more years of fighting for a hotel room and a good rate in Topeka. Three more years of potential growth lost. You can make more money, find more tournaments, you can do about anything but make more time!

There are options and you can bet I will be brainstorming to figure them out but the board voted to change and then shot change in the head for three more years basically putting change on life support.

It is 2009 and you don't need three years to study the options for change. It is time for new leadership. We need parents who were wrestlers, parents who have kids wrestling now, successful business people and people who are passionate about growth and change. They are out there. They are in District 4, District 3, District 2 and District 1. We need leaders who vote for what is best for the whole state not just their area or city they live in. I have heard every nearly every reason that the vote was made and all of them are just excuses. We all know that excuses are just an explanation to avoid change.

I apologize for the rambling but this has been a hard decision to understand.
Well, since I was the only non-board member to show up at the meeting let me say this. Topeka was the only sensible bid, and I REALLY don't like saying that. The members had no choice but to accept Topeka's bid. I looked at all three. Hays just wasn't big enough. Wichita didn't seem to really want it. Topeka was the only sensible choice.

Even though the topics were not discussed. I did hear talk of adding 6U, shortening the season, adding an 18U for a grand state. In my opinion the majority of the board is looking towards change...just not immediate gratification. I spoke and asked the committee to only accept a 1 year bid. I understand why they chose 3 and can live with that. If change is not made in 3 years, then all the ranting on this forum will be justified.

I do know that the board is meeting this summer, which is something that has never happened before. Hopefully we will all be pleasently surprised by the topics that will be voted on at the state meeting in November.
There are many board members if not all who were aware that this decision would not be acceppted my a very vocal few. The fact of the matter is any rule changes that are not on the mat rules will take at least 2yrs to implement(they have to go thru the rules committee and brought back to the body to be voted on for the following year). The board had strong feelings about all the bids on the table. The Cadillac, the Wrestling Program, and the No-Brainer is what I would call them. The board is very concerned about what the body wants and takes comments and ideas not only from this forum but from real people on the trail. We were very fortunate to have 3 excellent bids, and this being my first time to be part of the bid process thought there was great discussion that put the best interest of Kansas wrestling first. You are right that the board is elected and is representitive of the body. I applaud the efforts of the board and know first hand they are looking out for the best interests of our states youth.

I would like to echo Mike Juby's call to those who would like to roll up their sleeves and donate their time to sit down at the table and make decisions that are representive of our state and sport. It takes more than just great ideas, it takes compromise, and putting aside personal views that cloud rational judgement.

Get involved at the district level and make a difference!!
Originally Posted By: Beeson
In my opinion the majority of the board is looking towards change...just not immediate gratification. I spoke and asked the committee to only accept a 1 year bid. I understand why they chose 3 and can live with that. If change is not made in 3 years, then all the ranting on this forum will be justified.


Chad, I appreciate your opinion!

Again, the Executive Board, has my full confidence and I think, are doing what they think is best for the entire wrestling family!

As Will, as Ned, as a few others may be finding out, there is a difference between having one's support ... and having one's vote! Our elected officials need to vote what they feel is the best option for us all.

The silent-majority will not rant and rave. I feel they acknowledge that changes are needed but have confidence that ... the sky is not falling. I really appreciate the opinion of Beeson once again, "the board is looking towards change...just not immediate gratification."

I feel, we will see change ... just not at the pace some would like.

There is a whole lot more that is right with Kansas wrestling!!
Quote:

Mike,

when are the current terms for the members up?



The district offices are voted on at each of the October district meetings. Most of the state offices are voted on at the state body meeting.
Chad,
Do you think that the lack of attendance from non board members had anything to do the fact that 2 days before the meeting the announced the limited list of things that they were going to be talking about (and what they wouldn't talk about) and the fact that NO ONE could address the meeting without petitioning them PRIOR to the meeting?

I for one think that if they wanted our input they would have announced this AT LEAST a few weeks in advance. I would also think that they would of post the bids prior to the meeting for everyone to look over and gather thoughts on (along with the rules of addressing) then maybe there would have been a better turn out.
It is kind of hard to get excited to jump in a car to go 2 hours each way to sit there and not have a say.
It kind of makes one wonder if the late notice was intentional?

I would like for someone to post the bids on here and then maybe we could ask our elected officials from our districts why the voted a specific way. Maybe then we could understand the logic before everyone starts to yell "get a rope"!

I would like to hear your point of view!
Originally Posted By: Mike Juby
Several members expressed their regret on casting their vote for Topeka, since (for various reasons) they had strongly supported one of the other bids. However, the total package provided by Topeka for the benefit of USAW-Kansas Kids carried the day.



Mike,
Could you please explain this cooment?
Oop's sorry J. Dale I was on the go when I read it the first time..
Here are some of the things that I recall:
  • The Topeka Shawnee County Sports Council, Visit Topeka Inc, the Topeka Hotels Association and the Expocentre concessionaire, through a variety of grants and rebates, guaranteed a significant financial savings for USAW-Kansas Kids. This additional revenue will go into the Kids' general fund and will be used for the benefit of Kansas wrestling and will help delay the need for any future fee increases for our membership.
  • The hotels committed to fixed prices for the next three years. Here are the hotels that are participating in providing financial grants to USAW-Kansas Kids and their rental rates:
    > Capitol Plaza - $99
    > EconoLodge - $60-85 based on type of room
    > Hampton Inn - $90 in 2010, $95-105 for the next two years
    > Holiday Inn - $79
    > Ramada Hotel- $89
    > Super 8 at Forbes - $69.99 single, $79.99 double
    > Sleep Inn & Suites - $109
    > Baymont Inn & Suites - $79 for 2010, minimal increase thereafter
    > Days Inn - $89
    > Holiday Inn Express - $94
    > ClubHouse Inn - $79 first two years, $85 third year
  • Parking continued to be provided at no fee. In Wichita, the parking would have started at $5/day and involved a walk of up to four city blocks.
  • Concessions were a non-issue, since every facility had the same general pricing and the same rules on bringing food into their arena.
There were many other items that were considered in making the comparisons between the three venues, but the foregoing stick out in my mind as the issues that carried the most weight with the Council members.
Originally Posted By: usawks1
The silent-majority will not rant and rave.

And oddly enough the "silent-majority" are more likely to actually show up at the meetings.
Originally Posted By: BLT
Do you think that the lack of attendance from non board members had anything to do the fact that 2 days before the meeting the announced the limited list of things that they were going to be talking about (and what they wouldn't talk about) and the fact that NO ONE could address the meeting without petitioning them PRIOR to the meeting?

You will find the biggest complainers are the ones that don't show up for the meetings regardless of the rules governing participation or the agenda.
I think the lack of attendance was due to a vote of confidence that the majority puts in their elected leaders to do what's right!

It is not uncommon at all for an Executive Board (that is governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act) to limit or restrict the participation of others that would attend such meeting.

Besides, what could be said at that meeting that hadn't already been said here? This board is made up of people that have been elected by our clubs!! It was an unanimous vote ... and given the opinion of Beeson ... I doubt that a roomful of people, wanting to R&R would have swayed the vote!
Originally Posted By: usawks1
It is not uncommon at all for an Executive Board (that is governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act) to limit or restrict the participation of others that would attend such meeting.


The Executive Council meetings ARE NOT governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act. USAW Kansas Kids, Inc. is a private, non-profit corporation which receives NO public (government) funding.

Should you desire additional information regarding the Kansas Open Records Act (KORA):
Kansas Attorney General - KORA

and the Kansas Open Meetings Act:
Kansas Attorney General - KOMA
Originally Posted By: usawks1
I think the lack of attendance was due to a vote of confidence that the majority puts in their elected leaders to do what's right!

It is not uncommon at all for an Executive Board (that is governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act) to limit or restrict the participation of others that would attend such meeting.

Besides, what could be said at that meeting that hadn't already been said here? This board is made up of people that have been elected by our clubs!! It was an unanimous vote ... and given the opinion of Beeson ... I doubt that a roomful of people, wanting to R&R would have swayed the vote!

I'm not necessarily talking about the Executive Board meetings. I'm talking about the district and state meetings in the Fall. If you don't show up at both of those, you have no right IMO, to get on here and gripe about how the organization is being run.
Currently I am out of State and do not have access to my records however the primary reason Topeka won the bid is the Expocentre is subsidized by Shawnee County taxpayers.

Sedgwick County entered into a management agreement with SMG which is far different than the contract between the Expocentre and SMG. The basic difference is the Wichita arena receives NO taxpayer subsidy.

SMG has agreed to absorb all losses from the operation of the Intrust Arena and will retain all profit up to a specified amount.

The Wichita bid pitted a for profit corporation bidding against the Shawnee County taxpayers.

From the get go, the Wichita group faced a difficult if not impossible hurdle to win the bid.

The comment was made earlier that Wichita did not seem to want to win the bid.

That could not be farther from the truth.

I think that Hays and Wichita both showed up with a knife to a gun fight!

Both the Expocenter and the Downtown Arena are both managed by the same group.
We were also led to believe that Topeka applied some pressure (to the corporate office) to control the bid coming from the Downtown Arena.
I think the management team for the Downtown Arena did everything they could (based on their corporate direction) to help Wichita win the bid. But to some degree their hands were tied.

I would like to know if it true that the Topeka team sent out special gifts prior to the selection?
Sport0,

Are you directing your comments at me? I had planned to drive from Indianola,IA, where I was helping with 84 Kansas Kid Wrestlers, to Salina for this meeting. Ned assured me that he had the necessary votes to get a one year deal so Scott Edwards and I elected to stay in Iowa and help with duals and watch wrestling. I have missed two meetings that I was ALLOWED to attend and I was at a wrestling event during both. I spend NEARLY every weekend from mid October until the end of July at a wrestling tournament, meeting, clinic, camp, or wrestling something. I almost NEVER go without wrestlers who aren't even mine. I spend thousands of MY dollars to help Kansas wrestlers get better. I spend hundreds of hours trying to improve wrestling. Are you going to continue to beat me up and tell me I don't have the right to express my views and opinions? Give it a rest! You have been on me for years. You are just a blowhard who says much and does NOTHING. Please do us all a favor and go away.
Sportsfan02
Not all of us have been around this sport since 2002.
As some of us try to step up and understand the processes and actual needs of everyone in the sport we would like to look to people who have been around the sport for leadership.
Not critisim & degrading comments.
So thanks anyway!
Originally Posted By: RichardDSalyer
Originally Posted By: usawks1
It is not uncommon at all for an Executive Board (that is governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act) to limit or restrict the participation of others that would attend such meeting.


The Executive Council meetings ARE NOT governed by the Kansas Open Meetings Act. USAW Kansas Kids, Inc. is a private, non-profit corporation which receives NO public (government) funding.

Should you desire additional information regarding the Kansas Open Records Act (KORA):
Kansas Attorney General - KORA

and the Kansas Open Meetings Act:
Kansas Attorney General - KOMA


Richard,

I admit that I had been told we were coverd by the Open Meetings Act and I really don't have time to find out if we are or are not but I do know this. There is NO reason that our meetings shouldn't be COMPLETELY open. The votes should be roll call votes and the results should be accompanied by full disclosure of who voted for what. The minutes should be posted within the next two days as well. There should be absolutely NOTHING going on in these meetings that should be withheld from our membership. Secrecy creates a perception of "they are trying to hide something from us" which leads to mistrust. I feel the overwhelming majority of our organization would be in favor of 100% full disclosure.

The vote for a three year deal was NOT unanimous. At least three members voted for a one year deal. It does NOT take two years to figure out and put into place a plan which embraces change. A plan which would create more wrestling opportunities, less burden on our general membership, and more revenue for our organization. It takes passion, dedication, energy, and some hard work but it can be done and should have been done. If the people on the board were not willing to jump outside of the box then they should figure out how to jump off of the board.
Will,
I have seen sportsfan02 and he does do something. He sits at the meetings with his arms folded on top of his belly and has a comment (one that usually has nothing to do with what is discussed) for everything. Which extends the meeting by about an hour, gets the meeting off course and gets nothing accomplished.

On a side note. I've been told that someone on the Ex. Council audiotapes the meetings. I wonder if these audiotapes could be made available or if they are just private to cover someone's rear end if they have trouble.
Will the state tournament still fall on the last weekend in March...so subs, dist, and state will be the same corresponding weekends?...yes
Originally Posted By: BLT
Sportsfan02
Not all of us have been around this sport since 2002.
As some of us try to step up and understand the processes and actual needs of everyone in the sport we would like to look to people who have been around the sport for leadership.
Not critisim & degrading comments.
So thanks anyway!

I understand, and I was only trying to enlighten you that this board is not necessarily the place to learn all things USAWKS. As I stated, in general, many of the people who post negatively on these boards do not take the time to attend the meetings where their ideas can be properly voiced and voted on. Heck, I've even seen people who are running for state offices not show up for the meetings!
Why do you hide sportsfan02?
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
Originally Posted By: BLT
Sportsfan02
Not all of us have been around this sport since 2002.
As some of us try to step up and understand the processes and actual needs of everyone in the sport we would like to look to people who have been around the sport for leadership.
Not critisim & degrading comments.
So thanks anyway!

I understand, and I was only trying to enlighten you that this board is not necessarily the place to learn all things USAWKS. As I stated, in general, many of the people who post negatively on these boards do not take the time to attend the meetings where their ideas can be properly voiced and voted on. Heck, I've even seen people who are running for state offices not show up for the meetings!


Jeeze dude, Type up what you really want to say! Yea, WILL COKELEY ran for office last fall and was not at the meeting. I was at a WRESTLING TOURNAMENT. I didn't win the election, most likely, because I wasn't there but my son needed me to be with him at tournament so I had to make that choice.

You tell us WHY you have to attend meetings to have credibility? What gives you the right to blast those who don't? You go to meetings, well you say you do because you have never disclosed who you are we can't really say if you go to meetings or not, so that gives you the right to attempt to discredit those who were UNABLE (not unwilling) to attend the meetings. I spend WAY too much time on the phone to find out what happened the meetings because I do care and I do want to know. I do and you type anonymous posts. Who really matters?
As much as it pains me to say it, I have to agree with the so called Cokeley on this one. He really does give of his time and money. And it sounds like he is focused with "Obama-like intensity" on full disclosure and openness which is something I know we can all agree on. I'm still going to keep my eye on him though. He sold out the west side by moving to the JO.
Oh yeah, SO called Cokeley, if you are going to call someone out with a name like hypocrit, let me know and you can buy a vowel. I will sell you an "e" so it is properly impactful with proper spelling - HYPOCRITE. And thanks for your hard work. Remember the west side please.
How many kids come out of Topeka or CLOSE towns,to state? Now how many come from Wichita or CLOSE towns in the Wichita area? That should be a huge factor. No waiting in line at resturants, looking for hotels for days on end, And #1 pretty much EQUAL drive time from east to west!!!! No I was'nt at the meeting but from the sounds of it, does'nt matter who was if you were'nt a board member. And just a question, "How big of a difference was there in the bids?"
Originally Posted By: Spexy
And just a question, "How big of a difference was there in the bids?"
As best as could be determined the Topeka bid was approximately $11,000.00 less per year for the three (3) year proposal. For three (3) years the proposal was approximately $33,000.00 less than the Wichita bid.

Once again, the Sedgwick County Intrust Arena in Wichita receives NO TAXPAYER subsidy whereas "Shawnee County's 2009 budget includes a $1.7 million subsidy for the Expocentre"*

* Topeka Capital Journal
"Shawnee County's 2009 budget includes a $1.7 million subsidy for the Expocentre alone, and 68 percent of that will come from city taxpayers."

What many in our membership fail to understand is the USAW Kansas Kids division runs an annual budget deficit. The folkstyle state tournament runs an annual budget SURPLUS however the other programs sucking on the Kids Division teat do not.

USA Wrestling - Kansas Kids
Revenue and Expenses
September 1, 2007 thru August 31, 2008
Executive Director (7,791.72)
State Tournament 15,474.54
Southern Plains (13,351.31)
Folkstyle Nationals (587.78)
Freestyle Nationals (2,696.79)
Schoolboy Duals (6,100.64)
Middle School Duals (1,400.76)
Treasurer 1,301.11
Official (1,013.11)
Freestyle and Districts (4,750.00)
Scholarships (11,000.00)
Districts 7,270.69
Total (24,645.77)
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
The votes should be roll call votes and the results should be accompanied by full disclosure of who voted for what. The minutes should be posted within the next two days as well. There should be absolutely NOTHING going on in these meetings that should be withheld from our membership. Secrecy creates a perception of "they are trying to hide something from us" which leads to mistrust. I feel the overwhelming majority of our organization would be in favor of 100% full disclosure.
Prior to the meeting I made it clear I was going to request a Roll Call vote on the State Tournament bid packages. I received resistance. Were you to check with Tuff he will confirm there was a motion made from District 2 for a roll call vote.

The vote on the motion carried however the motion did not receive 100 percent support.

I have major heart burn over a District Director or officer who does not wish to have their vote recorded in the meeting minutes.
Frankly, I am embarrassed that I forgot that the Executive Board in a non-profit organization and is NOT governed by KOMA or KORA. I must apologize to Richard, Mike et al for the error! (I spent too many years working with boards and councils)

However, I truly fee our Executive Board should continue to strive for the transparency that is present by law, in (most) government boards!

I agree with Richard, as an elected official, representing the ones that elected you, you should never fear the record! And, you should never fear facing your people if you voted for them.

Now for some of you naysayers ... with the revelation that our board would have expended an additional $10,000+ per year, I am still confident in our board and perhaps, you should be too!
I am not commenting on the state tourney location. But it is gutless and cowardly for anyone, that is supposed to be representing others, to NOT have their vote go ON THE RECORD. GUTLESS. COWARDLY.

Anyone care to argue with me on that??

Doug

PS if Jerry Dale wants to keep it a secret that he votes strictly a Democratic, LIberal ticket, that is his business. He is only representing his own views.
Randy is completely right. I really do not understand why anyone would complain about what our E-Board did. They had an offer that was $11,000 better than the others. We do not have to pay for parking or park 4 blocks away. No matter where you want the tournament its a no-brainer. And, yes the votes should be on the record, because anyone who voted against saving/making $11,000 a year, I would have to ask what is their motive. Now maybe it should be a one year deal to keep the pressure on.

And, Richard, what is your point. Are you saying that if USA Kansas did not help out with things like the Middle School Duals they could have the tournament in Wichita??? That makes no sense. I thought the point was to improve wrestling in Kansas, things like the Middle School Duals do that. It would be nice if we made more money on the state tournament and help to lower the costs fot this tournament. The way Will did it, EVERYONE who wanted to go, got to - equal opportunity.

Someone is going to have to drive, that is the way it is, best bid - fair enough.

And, what is wrong with voting democratic - like any good Union man.
I used to like you John......

Actually, I base my votes on whether they support the Fair Tax or not. If they don't, no vote. If they do, they get my vote, Repub or Dem. It just seems that there a lot more Repubs that see the opportunities that the Fair Tax creates, than Dems.

Did we get offsubject here?
one thing I would like to see changed for state is having to pay for your entry. You wrestle to get there not buy your way after you wrestle your butt off. So out of the 11,000 that we just saved maybe we can take care of that problem. you will walk at the expocentre to. no matter what side you park on you will walk just as far as the coliseum. thats good for chubby ole boys like me though. As for the rooms guess I will stay at my brother in laws house. maybe I can rent his garage out for the weekend for some of those who dont want to pay 80-100 each night.
Originally Posted By: bockman
one thing I would like to see changed for state is having to pay for your entry. You wrestle to get there not buy your way after you wrestle your butt off. So out of the 11,000 that we just saved maybe we can take care of that problem. you will walk at the expocentre to. no matter what side you park on you will walk just as far as the coliseum. thats good for chubby ole boys like me though. As for the rooms guess I will stay at my brother in laws house. maybe I can rent his garage out for the weekend for some of those who dont want to pay 80-100 each night.


Ten bucks says after hearing that you plan on staying for the weekend, that you brother in law pays the 80-100 bucks a night for your hotel.
The Wichita bid was for the new arena downtown, not the Coliseum. In my opinion parking at the new arena is going to be a problem for awhile or maybe forever.
The vote was merely for show. I called a week ahead of the state meeting, to the hotel that our club stayed at. The hotel director told me that she knew someone one the board. They told her that the state tourny was going to be in Topeka next year. I am glad that I made that call and already have rooms reserved. Yes I had reservations made before the state meeting. The board listen but it was a bobble head agreeing they were doing.
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