Kansas Wrestling
Posted By: Mixitup Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 07/28/09 04:41 PM
I've been hearing some buzz about a big Kansas kickoff National Wrestling tournament thats suppose to be the last weekend in November? Anyone know about it or heard about it?
The kickoff is in Tulsa Ok. in November.
Posted By: Mixitup Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 07/29/09 01:08 AM
Yea im aware of Tulsa's kickoff, thats not what im talking about this is going to be held here in Kansas I believe after Tulsa Kickoff weekend. I have some calls and emails sent to some people that may know. When and what i find out I will let everyone know. Thanks
If I remember correctly, at the Wichita Classic there was talk of a "kick off" in Wichita at the new Hartman Arena.
Posted By: Mixitup Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/05/09 08:19 PM
Ok i talked to a guy who knows the people putting it on. It is seperate from the wichita classic and Tulsa kick off. He said they were just finalizing some last minute details and then they were gonna put it out there. He said it is gonna be at Hartman Arena the last weekend in Nov.
That same weekend they are proposing the National in Kansas, Panhandle National's in Lubbock, Tx. for the belt is usually that same weekend, and they had over 23 states represented and close to 2ooo kid's. We attended and it was a well ran tourny and lookin forward to going back as well as Kansas having a National tourny, we've been waiting for Kansas to get a National and to go to it. Panhandle hasn't posted their date this year that i'm aware of but i'm hoping Kansas and Panhandle isn't the same weekend cause I really would like to attend both.
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/06/09 06:49 PM
Well if what is going around is true & these guys are pulling major sponcers like Blue Chip or something and we don't suppport it, well then shame on us.
Wichita is a great place for national tournaments & what a better venue?
With the right people running the show and with enough support this could easily draw close to 2000 kids.
Then if we are doing all of that the right way then it will help chip down some of the excuses as to why they won't bring kids state to Wichita!
JMO
Posted By: BRING IT ON! Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/07/09 03:25 AM
A kansas National would be Awesome! I hope the rumors are true because we go all over to find competition and if we could stay right here and have them come to us, Im all for it. If anyone has any more info please post it.
Posted By: CJA Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 01:00 AM
Panhandle is always Thanksgiving weekend.
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 01:10 PM
I was told that this is almost a done deal.
They have muliple offers from national sponsers to put their name on this event and once they make that choice then they will post on here with all the details!
Wow
This is great news for KS youth wrestling!
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 01:55 PM
So much for making the season shorter.
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
So much for making the season shorter.


Thank Goodness!
Posted By: usawks1 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 05:24 PM
... and if you go to Kearney's tournament this month!!!

(geez, it is this weekend!)
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 05:45 PM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
So much for making the season shorter.


Charlie don't wrestle anyway so why does Charlie care?
Posted By: Ben Dover Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 08:26 PM
One thing I have never understood about people complaining the season is too long. Wrestling is not a team sport, tournaments are not mandatory, can’t the season be as long, or as short, as an individual wrestler and his parents decide! If a wrestler is getting burned out, just have him sit out a tournament or two. I guess there is some pressure to keep pace with the other wrestlers, but a wrestler can easily keep up with practice and miss a few tournaments without falling behind.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 08:46 PM
Some people will always need a rule to force them to do the right thing, even where it concerns their own child. I'm with you though, make the season as long or short as you want without changing a thing.
Posted By: Ben Dover Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/11/09 09:14 PM
Yes, parents putting to much pressure on kids to win, is a problem in all sports. I noticed the relaxed attitude and all around good time every one had at the Sunflower State Games, and asked myself, “Why can’t all tournaments be this much fun for the kids ??” Well the answer is of course, because the Parents put so much pressure on the kids to win, they make the fun disappear.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/12/09 12:08 PM
The season is an opportunity to compete. An opportunity is an option. Rules to regulate an options are quite unnecessary. I have been on here advocating the changing of the date of the state championship series to an earlier date. I have never called this "shortening the season". Wrestling is an individual sport and the athlete and parents have to make the decisions that are right for them. Do they always make the right decisions, probably not but when you don't get what you are seeking you get experience. Hopefully the experience will lead to better decisions in the future. More regulations mean less experience. The attitude Steve experienced at the Sunflower state games is pretty much what you will find at all spring and summer events. The changes I have advocated do reduce the pressure to "keep up" in hopes of retaining a larger interest in the future without negating the opportunities available for those who can and do wrestle year round. You have to be flexible to appeal to a wider audience. The MOST important lesson your wrestler has to learn is how to cope with losing. Losing is a GOOD thing but many are run out of the sport by the inability to handle losing. Teach your wrestlers to embrace a loss and to learn from it. If you don't lose you don't get better!
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/13/09 09:07 PM
Well I hope that when this is made official and it is posted on here then that thread don't get HIJACKED by people crying & complaining.
This is an excellent chance for KS kids to see some national competition at the begining of the season without traveling to Ok, TX, or CO.
If you want to only wrestle 3 weeks a month and only 4 months a year then that is your choice and I will never fault you for it.
All I ask for is the same respect when my sons choose to do it 7 months a year.
Originally Posted By: BLT

This is an excellent chance for KS kids to see some national competition at the begining of the season without traveling to Ok, TX, or CO.


hahahahaha! this is quite laughable. Just because a tournament calls itself a "national" tournament, doesn't necessarily make it a true national tournament. what make you think that those OK peeps are going to skip cliff keen, or TX peeps skip panhandles/cotton bowl or CO peeps skip monster match/rocky mntn nats to come to the "national" tournament in Kansas?

There are WAY too many "national" tournaments now-a-days for it to really even be considered a honor to place at a lot of them anymore. Nationals should be just that, a true national tourney like Fargo or Kids FS/GR or HS nats, etc. I don't think, considering one has the option of attending a "national" tourney literally every week during the season, someplace in America, that it's that big of deal whether Wichita has a pre-season nats or not. It'll just turn into a big local tournament, just like the Wichita Classics has become.
Posted By: dagwood Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/18/09 01:07 AM
Although I would agree there needs to be only one tournament where the kids who place are considered all americans I do think it is an honor to place at most of these national tournaments. My sons bracket at Liberty had state placers not even place and 2 state champions wrestle for 3rd and 4th. You just don't find that deep of a bracket at a local tournament.
Posted By: luellen Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/18/09 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Brett Shoffner[/quote



There are WAY too many "national" tournaments now-a-days for it to really even be considered a honor to place at a lot of them anymore.
You should go to tulsa nationals or tulsa kick off. I guarantee you will find the tough matches your looking for. I can also say that to get on the podium at tulsa is a huge honor for any wrestler, coach or parent I have met since we started wrestling. I do understand your point. Libery national & brute natoinals dont compare to Tulsa. I like the idea of a kansas national tournament. The central location may draw some good numbers. Liberty & Brute are over priced & I think this might be the problem with the numbers at these tournaments.
Originally Posted By: Brett Shoffner
Originally Posted By: BLT

This is an excellent chance for KS kids to see some national competition at the begining of the season without traveling to Ok, TX, or CO.


hahahahaha! this is quite laughable.


What is really laughable is someone lobbying against a Kansas tournament especially with the economy the way it is. Can't afford the kickoff this year but would love the opportunity for my kids to see some fresh faces from different states that have skill. See, didn't call it a national tournament did I? Kind of implied it though. wink
Originally Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh
Originally Posted By: Brett Shoffner
Originally Posted By: BLT

This is an excellent chance for KS kids to see some national competition at the begining of the season without traveling to Ok, TX, or CO.


hahahahaha! this is quite laughable.


What is really laughable is someone lobbying against a Kansas tournament especially with the economy the way it is. Can't afford the kickoff this year but would love the opportunity for my kids to see some fresh faces from different states that have skill. See, didn't call it a national tournament did I? Kind of implied it though. wink


ummm, never lobbied against the tournament...just pointed out some things, that actually, you pointed out as well.

with the economy the way it is, what makes anyone think that people from other states are going to come here to yet another "national" tournament, when there's already one in their backyard? Just like I said before, it'll just turn into a large local tournament, just like Wichita classics has become. Don't take part of what I wrote and misconstrue the point.

here's a "short" list of what I can think of, off the top of my head, for national tournaments that are offered:
tulsa nats
Cliff Keen kickoff
Reno worlds
Rocky Mntn nationals
Big horn nationals
panhandle nats
cotton bowl classic
CA world challenge
IL Winter classic
Dixie nats
USJOC
Indy nats
Liberty nats
folkstyle tour of america events
ohio TOC
Brute nats

Not to mention the actual USAW national events.

That's ridiculous. Period.

I'm all for Kansas events, believe me, I've tried to pull off a few in my day. What I'm against is calling what is basically a local tournament a "national" just because someone says so. 80% Kansas kids, 15% OK kids and 5% elsewhere kids, in a Wichita arena does not constitute a national tournament in my opinion, and that's what a preseason Kansas national will be if its at the end of November.

My personal opinions aside, I still wish good luck to the organizers and promoters in trying to get this event off the ground and making it stick around.
Posted By: BRING IT ON! Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/19/09 01:54 PM
They can call it whatever they want if it brings in quality competition here locally and is a good experience for the kids who attend. You can call it worlds, Nationals, or whatever, but its the quality wrestlers who make it a tough tournament not the name.
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/19/09 03:08 PM
I just hope everyone stays positive on this event. People from other states get on here and read these comments.
If we are beating on it from the get go it might discourage people from coming and all we are doing is limiting Ks wrestlers from another great opportunity for great competition without spending an arm & a leg and traveling to another state.
I think this has a chance to be really big. Bigger then some of the CK events that were post on another thread.
We held a LOCAL event last year in a H.S. that had 600 kids and 5 states. That's not near as big as some of the others you see around here.
A few years of positive support and great effort and this could be as big as Tulsa or any of those others.
Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot from the get go.
Posted By: Mike Dipman Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/19/09 11:46 PM
AMEN BLT i think this is a awesome thing these guys are trying to do and i think everyone should give 100 percent support esspecialy if you live in kansas.
Posted By: Bones1768 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 08/25/09 07:09 PM
Any updated news about this proposed tournament and its dates?
Posted By: Bones1768 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/09/09 05:07 PM
This was a hot subject for a while. Now it seems everybody is talking about a usa cards.

Are there any updates?
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/10/09 11:26 AM
I think it will be the last weekend in Nov.
You always hear about the Panhandle Nationals being that weekend, well its been said they are moving up oe back a week.
Either way...
Last weekend of Nov. looks to be the date. Nothings ever final until its registered thru USAWKS and podted on here!!!
Posted By: BLT Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/10/09 01:10 PM
I just had a PM reminding me that the Kickoff is the week right before so I bet IF the Panhandle Nationals does switch weekend it will be the 1st weekend in Dec.
That's IF they switch!
Cliff Keen kick off classic is Nov 20-21.
Posted By: Bones1768 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/26/09 02:02 AM
any new news?
Posted By: hartley5 Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/30/09 05:47 PM
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Posted By: Beeson Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/30/09 05:50 PM
I'll ask on this topic also. Any information on deadlines, weights, ages, wrestling times, Awards?
Posted By: Mixitup Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 09/30/09 07:19 PM
Our club just received the flyer on it. It is Nov 28-29 and It is called the Park City Sprawl Nationals, and it is being held at Hartman Arena. Looks like deadline is Nov 19, 2009. You can go to www.3onesixproductions.com and go to there handouts page and get the flyer for it there...Hope this helps.
Posted By: Mixitup Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 10/19/09 01:27 PM
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Posted By: Mixitup Re: Kansas Youth National tourn in Nov? - 11/12/09 04:33 AM
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