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Posted By: Crash99 State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/26/05 01:12 PM
This is fast coming upon us, and with the district meetings already past, I thought this topic would be a good discussion on what is on the agenda which is posted on the home page. For those who can not find the agenda for this meeting I will post it in a quote. Which could spark some interesting discussions.

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AGENDA

Roll Call by Registration

Reading of the minutes of the previous state body meeting

Vendor Presentations

Report of Officers
  • A. Treasurer Barry Disney
    B. State Competition Director Ned Price
    C. National Competition Director Bob Gonzales
    D. State Tournament Committee State Tournament Committee
    E. Officials Director Loren Anthony
    F. District Directors
    G. Executive State Director Greg Grater
    H. State Chairman Mike Juby


Old Business
A. Background checks

New Business

A.
District Awards and State Nominations
1. District Person of the Year
2. Nominations for State Person of the Year
3. Nominations for State Official of the Year
B. High School Rule Changes
C. Age Group Changes
1. USA Age (Year of Birth)
2. Age as of January 1
3. Age of as September 1 (Current age group)
• The Executive Council recommends staying with the current age group as of September 1.
D. Change the highest age group to 14 and under which includes the maximum grade attained to be the 8th grade.
• The Executive Council rejected this proposed by a vote of 11-1.
E. Proposal that the 16 and under would not wrestle at sub districts. They would be seeded at their sub-district meeting to wrestle against the other half of the district.
• The Executive Council voted not to recommend this motion by a vote 12 - 0, with 1 abstaining.
F. Add 6 and Under to the Qualifying Tournament / State Tournament.
Executive Council Action:
• A motion was made not to add 6 and under age group at the Qualifying/State Tournaments. The motion ended in a tie 7-7
• After the tie, another motion was made to add 5-6 and under age group to the State Qualifying Tournaments and State Tournament and with changing the wording 8 and under to 7-8 year olds. A vote was taken 7 for - 6 against -1 abstaining.
Clarification: If we allow 6 and under, they will have to wrestle in their own age groups. Wrestlers will also have to be 5-6 year olds (no 4-year olds or younger).
G. Weight Changes (Providing the motion to add 5-6 age group to our Qualifying Tournament Passes).
The weights the executive council recommends changing to would be as follows:
5-6: 37, 40, 43, 46, 49, 52, 55, 60, 65, 70
7-8: 43, 46, 49, 52, 55, 58, 61, 64, 67, 70, 73, 76, 80, 88, 95, 110, 125
9-10: 55, 58, 61, 64, 67, 70, 73, 76, 79, 82, 85, 90, 95, 100, 110, 120, 130, 150, 170
11-12: 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 130, 140, 150, 165, 190, 215
13-14: 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 150, 155, 160, 165, 175, 205, 235, 265
15-16: 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 150, 155, 160, 165, 175, 185, 215, 245, 275
H. Triple Crown - Ned Price
I. State Tournament Recommendations
1. Entry Fees (Executive Council recommends $15 / $20 walk-on fee)
2. Gate Fees (Executive Council recommends $4 / $2)
3. Officials Pay (Executive Council recommends $280 + IRS mileage one-way)
4. Coaches Passes
5. Press Passes
6. Advertising
7. Program Book
8. Scoreclocks
J. Election of Officers – Nominations listed below are recommended by Executive Council
  • 1. Executive State Director Greg Grater
    2. Assistant State Director Jeff Sheets
    3. Treasurer Barry Disney
    4. Parliamentarian Richard Salyer
    5. At-Large Representative (Elected) Rob Brewster
    6. State Competition Director Ned Price
    7. National Competition Director Bob Gonzales



Executive Officers Appointed 2004-2005
1. Officials Rep Loren Anthony
2. At-Large Representative Bob Phillips
3. State Tournament Committee Ned Price, Bob Gonzales, Leanna Grater, Chad Parks


Other Business
1. Calendar of Events
2. Score Clock Rental


Adjournment
Posted By: Nedly Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/26/05 03:50 PM
Crash99,
You beat me to the punch on this, great post and thanks for the reminder to everyone.

Let me add how important it is for ever club to be at this meeting. First cause it will affect your coaching passes at the state tournament, but more importantly it is the one time in the year that we all get together and discuss the future of Kansas Wrestling face to face and not hide behind nicknames on the fourm.

There are many imporant issues to discuss at this years meeting, and if you can't attend it this is a great thread to let everyone know how you feel on a any subject.

Looking forward to seeing everyone on Sunday, and remember it is all about the KIDS!!

Ned Price
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/30/05 07:53 PM
The results of the vote on the motion to add the five and six age division to the State Tournament!

District I - 31 No; 12 Yes
District II - 0 No; 26 Yes
District III - 15 No; 7 Yes
District IV - 18 NO; 5 Yes

Total 64 No; 50 Yes

The body voted to leave the competition date as of September 1 of the current year.

The body voted down the motion to "Change the highest age group to 14 and under which includes the maximum grade attained to be the 8th grade."

The body voted down the "Proposal that the 16 and under would not wrestle at sub districts. They would be seeded at their sub-district meeting to wrestle against the other half of the district."

The wrestling weights for each age division will remain the same.

I would like to thank Greg and Leanna Grater for keeping the meeting running smoothly and thank the club representatives for attending and participating in the annual meeting.
Posted By: dsgolden Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/30/05 08:22 PM
thanks richard i think it is time that we put the 6 and under issue to rest.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/31/05 08:12 PM
Interesting on the 26-0 vote out of District II, maybe they should be the permanent host of that age group state.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/31/05 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Sweazy:
Interesting on the 26-0 vote out of District II, maybe they should be the permanent host of that age group state.
Maybe they will!
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 10/31/05 10:30 PM
I think it shows they want it more than every place else which seems split on the matter. This would prove to me that they are the most willing to help out in this endeavor.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 12:52 AM
Very interesting vote concerning the 6 and U's. Im from D3 and im very disappointed in you guys ... Well there is always next year
Posted By: dsgolden Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 12:56 AM
nigel we can debate this till we are blue inthe face and we are also in D3 we have one of the biggest districts i would like to know what is the reason they vote it down every year
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 01:08 AM
Well I don't really want to debate it, im just disappointed. I honestly see this as a set back to the sport every time it happens. And that is just my own personal opinion.

I always wished my parents would have let me start wrestling earlier than I did. I have in the past listen to arguements on both sides of the issue, and most of the time any debating that was done hardly every changed anyones opinion. Those that are against it will probably always be and those that are for will remain for.

From an officiating point of view, 6 and younger kids can be quite tough, especially the rolly polly type ones. But for all that it is worth, its more experience for them and I think a good number of them really like being out there. I do of course realize there are plenty of parents who push their kids far too much at that age, but as long as they are given the choice I say ... why not. Anyway that is my thoughts on the subject.
Posted By: Husker Fan Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by sportsfan02:
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Originally posted by Aaron Sweazy:
Interesting on the 26-0 vote out of District II, maybe they should be the permanent host of that age group state.
Maybe they will!
Maybe they should!

I understand that Ottawa does an excellent job with the current 6 & under championship at the end of the year, but with this type of support in District 2 maybe it could be even possibly a bigger tournament. Possibly we could model our State tournament series closer to the Iowa AAU series.

I saw that Iowa had an AAU Super PeeWee State on 3/13/05 with three separate age groups: Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade division. Then on 4/3/05 they had another AAU State Kids tournament for three more divisions: 3rd & 4th, 5th & 6th, and 7th & 8th in which you could not wrestle if you turned 16 or older in 2005 or if you are in high school.

What if we did a modified version of that in USAW-Kansas with having say a separate State USAW-KS tournament in Wichita for 6 & U, 8 & U, and maybe 10&U. Then on another date maybe two weeks after like Iowa we could have in Topeka, Salina, or other winning bid town a separate State USAW-KS tournament for 12&U, 14&U, and 16&U. Or instead of 16&U how about just an open high school division which would allow interested seniors to compete?
Posted By: smokeycabin Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 11:38 AM
I wouldn't use Iowa as a model for the kids division of wrestling. The USA Kids folkstyle nationals sounds like it needs a little work at the UNI Dome. I have also talked to a few Kansas clubs that have attended Iowa kids tournaments during the season and were not completely convinced with the tournament formats. Now if you are talking college wrestling you might convince me that Iowa has a model to follow. If all the kids clubs from the state (approximately 200) show up at the state meeting it would take 132 (2/3) votes to change this issue. This year the 6 & under supporters would have had to change nearly 50% or 30 of the No votes to get it passed. I am not a political analyst but that 50% number is fairly significant.

Coach McCarthy
Posted By: smokeycabin Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 11:59 AM
More numbers. Percent of clubs that voted by district at the state meeting.

D-I = 63%
D-II = 63%
D-III = 56%
D-IV = 63%
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by smokeycabin:
More numbers. Percent of clubs that voted by district at the state meeting.

D-I = 63%
D-II = 63%
D-III = 56%
D-IV = 63%
Not sure what the above numbers mean. Percentage of clubs in attendance from each district? If so, it never ceases to amaze me the numbers of clubs that do not show for the state meeting. To have only 55% of last years chartered clubs in attendance is disgraceful. Approximately 10% of clubs probably come and go from one year to the next but that still leaves a huge chunk whose kids and parents are not being represented. We have to find a way to make it more important that all clubs attend the meetings.
Posted By: Jess Keith Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 04:20 PM
I would also like to thank Greg and Leanna Grater for keeping the meeting running smoothly they did an excellent job. Also thanks go out to the club representatives for attending and participating in the annual meeting. We need to continue encouraging those who don’t attend to attend, and yes, maybe we need to find away to make attending this meeting more important to those who don’t attend.

I want to especially thank all of the District II clubs who attended the meeting. There is no doubt after Sunday that this District has become a team with purpose and goals. With this kind of team work I see many great things happening for our kids and this District in the very near future. Keep up the team work District II!!!!!!!!

As far as the 5 & 6 year old issue. We need to set it aside for now and concentrate on making this year the best year ever. However, one can hardly say that this issue has been laid to rest. The numbers from Sunday show that and if proper procedures are followed it is likely that the issue will be addressed again soon. However, as I said before we need to move forward and concentrate on this year. For now we can all agree to disagree and set this issue aside for this year.

In regards to the subject brought up regarding Wichita holding a 5 & 6 year old State Championship to show their support and help with this endeavor. After Sunday this maybe more realistic than many think, I was approach by several clubs in District II with the same questions. This very well could become a reality in the very near future. Support and team work are all that are needed and District II for sure have both.

Again, THANK YOU to all who attended and participated in the annual meeting. Have a great year and we will see you at the State tournament if not sooner.

Jess Keith
Posted By: usawks1 Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/01/05 04:29 PM
The 26-0 might be interesting but consider this. If every club voted at the District meetings and then in turn voted unanimously as a District at State then you could get 26-0. In my opinion, it was a valiant attempt by the leadership in District 2 to gain support for a question they were in support of. This type of voting was discussed in District 1 but was not carried out.

Another interesting fact was presented by Smokey.

If 60% of clubs are showing up at the State meeting;

and if those clubs not attending are to lose one of their coaching passes which was designed to be leverage to gain attendance;

and if clubs are getting passes anyway whether through coping or through begging Ned for extra;

where is the incentive to attend?
Posted By: TRAVIUS.com Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/02/05 11:12 PM
Well I know I was one of the 40% who did not attend. I now coach 3 wrestling teams (club, middle school, high school) and attend college full time. The harder I work on my high school team the less time I have on the club, yet giving up the club is not an option as it is the only club in the area. Our club is small and when state comes around it is hard to manage kids with one less coaching pass. I understand the importance of attending such meetings. But I just wish the consequence didn't affect the kids in maybe the most importance folkstyle event of the year.
Posted By: grandad Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/04/05 12:31 AM
I brough up the fact that at the state this year there are to be no cameras on the floor, well I asked about the phones with a camera built in and all I got was they do not take very good pictures and the executive council will talk about it, the fact is theres not anything that can be done about it and next year at the state watch you will see a lot of the phones being used. I was at the district 1 meeting and we talked about 6 and under at the state this year and we left thinking dist 1 would vote for it. Henry was as surprised as I was it was not even close. Why do we have a dist. meeting if the things we are going to susport change next week at the state meeting.
Posted By: usawks1 Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/04/05 01:51 AM
I was at the same district meeting as you Grandad and do not recall even a vote taking place on this issue. There was talk about taking a "straw poll" but not recall even that being done!

Even a club was in favor of 6U at District that does not lock their vote it. Perhaps a few found out from their club members that they were not in favor.

One of my points was; speculating that at the D2 meeting that D2 was not unamiously in favor of the proposition!
Posted By: Jeff Broadbent Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/04/05 03:11 AM
Sorry guys, I cant stay quiet here.

I will admit I did not go back to members of our club and ask what their thoughts were on this issue. We didnt have signups until tonight. I did however, vote to allow the 6-under age group so those parents of 6 year olds could make the decision with their child to compete against a child their age as they have done all year.

My question is this:

How many of you club directors, that voted no at the State Meeting, made that decision for all of the 6 year olds in your club, without discussing this question with your 6 year old athletes parents.

Therefore not giving them the CHOICE to participate at the State Tourney, if they wanted to.

In my opinion, this was a sad day for our sport.

Jeff

PS- In the future remember you will never get support for anything if you try to SHAME votes your way.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: State Body Meeting October 30th - 11/04/05 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by usawks1:
I was at the same district meeting as you Grandad and do not recall even a vote taking place on this issue. There was talk about taking a "straw poll" but not recall even that being done!

Even a club was in favor of 6U at District that does not lock their vote it. Perhaps a few found out from their club members that they were not in favor.

One of my points was; speculating that at the D2 meeting that D2 was not unamiously in favor of the proposition!
Randy, at this years meeting, I can't sepak because I had a speaking engagment on the day of the meeting and was not there. I can say, that in the past D2 has overwhelmingly been in favor of this. Jess or someone like Salyer with more history can give more history, but truth is I can't think of a club from last year that was opposed to it from D2. I can think of individuals speaking on their own, but I believe that the clubs themselves supported it. Again, I could be wrong on this issue. It would be interesting in knowing why D2 favors it so strongly and it appears that other districts don't.
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Originally posted by TRAVIUS wycowrestling.com:
Well I know I was one of the 40% who did not attend. I now coach 3 wrestling teams (club, middle school, high school) and attend college full time. The harder I work on my high school team the less time I have on the club, yet giving up the club is not an option as it is the only club in the area. Our club is small and when state comes around it is hard to manage kids with one less coaching pass. I understand the importance of attending such meetings. But I just wish the consequence didn't affect the kids in maybe the most importance folkstyle event of the year.
Travius, I know you also did not attend our District Meeting on the previous Sunday. If you could not make it, for a legitimate reason, all you had to do was to call Henry or myself and let us know. However, since you didn't inform anybody, and missed two consecutive meetings, you will probably lose one pass. I don't know what your reasons were for not attending, but, I know of no college classes that are held on Sundays.
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Originally posted by Jeff Broadbent:
My question is this:

How many of you club directors, that voted no at the State Meeting, made that decision for all of the 6 year olds in your club, without discussing this question with your 6 year old athletes parents.
Jeff, As club director, I have no small kids this year, so, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other, except that it would be more work for our qualifiers and the state tournament, which we can handle.

As Sub-District Director, I intended to vote the way the majority from my Sub-District voted. However, with a role call vote in alphabetical order, it is very hard to track half of the district. That is the reason I abstained from voting, which didn't make a lot of difference anyway.
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