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Posted By: J. Dale sub brackets - 03/09/10 11:46 AM
Why do some subs have brackets posted and others don't. Shouldn't this all be released either as soon as the seeding is done or all released after weigh-ins. Shouldn't the state mandate when the brackets are released.
Posted By: Tom Richard Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 01:35 PM
The brackets should be built after weigh-in.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 01:40 PM
So in other words, D2 is doing it the proper way. Some things never change.
Posted By: Tom Richard Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 01:49 PM
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 02:01 PM
I understand and agree.
Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 02:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Pushing a couple of a buttons? I guess some of us define work differently.
Posted By: J. Dale Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 02:02 PM
i don't care either way. All i'm saying is shouldn't it be more uniform state wide.
Posted By: GNR Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 02:03 PM
Is it Weigh-in or Weigh-in? Either way shouldn't be any changes in the brackets now right? Once you are seeded and locked in at a weight, you either make it or your season is done right? I dont think you can bump up!
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 02:05 PM
Yes but once the brackets are built, if there are scratches, which there will be, then the brackets change.
Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 03:54 PM
yes as the with most tournaments that use track wrestling. Tournaments that do not utilize trackwrestling often scratch at the table.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 04:30 PM
Or even if they do use TW!
Posted By: matman1976 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 04:34 PM
Hey sporto maybe you should go back into hibernation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: ictdad Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 04:47 PM
Don't we have enough info to build a bracket that should be correct until scratches?

I donno I'm new
Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 04:57 PM
Originally Posted By: ictdad
Don't we have enough info to build a bracket that should be correct until scratches?

I donno I'm new


Pretty smart fella for a new guy, some of these old dogs could leaarn from ya, yes we have enough info.The other 3 districts have them posted.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 05:32 PM
Uhhhhh, clever. Not sure when or where I was hibernating?
Posted By: Dadof3boys Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 06:23 PM
Originally Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh
Originally Posted By: ictdad
Don't we have enough info to build a bracket that should be correct until scratches?

I donno I'm new


Pretty smart fella for a new guy, some of these old dogs could leaarn from ya, yes we have enough info.The other 3 districts have them posted.


Actually, D2 South is bracketed, just not North. D3 is not bracketed at all.
Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 06:36 PM
progress!! I'm going out on a limb here, I predict the last hold out will be up no later then Saturday morning.
Posted By: Magnum811 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 06:50 PM
If you go to D3 and click on the groups, all the seeds are indicated by the name in the age and weight class of your choice. You can "old school" it with a pencil and figure the bracket.
Posted By: GarateKids Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 07:17 PM
ya i did it old school,, and then i filled out the rest of it, and my son lost in the 2nd round, but was able to win in the backside with a couple OT wins, to place and make it to districts.whew,, tough matches!!. but for some reason districts dont have any wrestlers posted yet!!! i cant wait to fill out that bracket as well
Posted By: TJG Mom Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 10:01 PM
Well, to all. I think that all this talk about when we get brackets is just something to talk about. It should matter the day of. I also, think that it shouldnt matter what your bracket says. It should only matter what you do on the mat when you line up and the whistle blows. I have all ways beleived that it shouldnt matter who you are bracketed with. It only matter what you do at the end of that match. Because, anyone can be beaten on any givin day. Wheather you are #1 seed or the last seed in your bracket.
Posted By: Crash99 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 10:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances)
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 10:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Crash99
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs.

Nope, if a bracket drops to four man or less for any reason then it has to be rebracketed to a round robin per our by-laws. This happens quite often, particularly in the high school age groups. I don't pretend to be an authority on Trackwrestling but from what I understand, to change any one bracket causes the entire tournament to be re-numbered. If that is the case, then you could have people who didn't plan to show up early in the morning because they had weighed in the night before and saw a high first match number. They could miss their first match.
Posted By: Beeson Re: sub brackets - 03/09/10 10:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Crash99
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances)


If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up.
Posted By: HEADUP Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 01:46 AM
you are all putting the cart before the horse. trust me it's not anymore work to do it again, on track or by pencil. get over it. i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win.
Posted By: Crash99 Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 02:17 AM
Chad, aren't all the wrestlers in a bracket seeded as per the seeding meeting? Doesn't this statement nullify some of the process if a higher seeded wrestler scratches and that automatically bumps a lower seeded kid up to face a teammate, then why do the coaches fight to get their wrestlers separated in the first place? example: Kid A is seeded #2 and Kid B from same team is seeded #8 Seed #6 scratches so the 8 seed is now a 7 and wrestling his teammate first match...
Posted By: Beeson Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 02:26 AM
If #1 seed doesn't make weight. Then the next two best kids would meet up in the semi's. #1 and #2 should be seperated, even if they used to be #2 and #3.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 02:41 AM
When it comes to this time of year, I don't think it should matter if you have two kids in the bracket from the same club. If seeding is down the correct way and two kids from the same club go head to head in round one, then that is how it is supposed to work.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 11:28 AM
Originally Posted By: HEADUP
i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win.

Yes it would, but that doesn't necessarily make it right.
Posted By: HEADUP Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 12:02 PM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
Originally Posted By: HEADUP
i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win.

Yes it would, but that doesn't necessarily make it right.

or wrong, it's a matter of preference i guess.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 08:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Beeson
Originally Posted By: Crash99
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances)


If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up.


Chad,

I agree with you but the rules state the we DO NOT reseed if a seeded wrestler scratches. You put in a bye and do not change the bracket unless someone byes to the finals. That means wrestles NO matches to make it to the finals. All brackets need to be posted. The President has spoken and mandated all brackets for all subs be posted in trackwrestling. That is President Nedly, not Obama. smile
Posted By: Cokeley Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 08:07 PM
I also heard a rumor that a sub was NOT going to update results as they happen? If that is true please speak up and ask for help. It is INSANE to run your tournament that way.
Posted By: crump88 Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 10:06 PM
What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night?
Posted By: HEADUP Re: sub brackets - 03/10/10 10:44 PM
Originally Posted By: crump88
What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night?

don't even leave the house.
Posted By: Beeson Re: sub brackets - 03/11/10 12:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Beeson
Originally Posted By: Crash99
Originally Posted By: Tom Richard
If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work.


Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances)


If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up.


I truly feel that is what needs to be done, but you guys are correct. The Bracket stays the same. Something that needs to be addressed at the next State Body Meeting.
Posted By: Beeson Re: sub brackets - 03/11/10 01:10 AM
Originally Posted By: crump88
What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night?


If you are wrestling 285 and do not weigh in at least at 250 you will not be able to wrestle. Rule 4-4-2.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: sub brackets - 03/11/10 01:34 AM
Originally Posted By: crump88
What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night?


There is a Taco Tico in Pittsburg. Run down there and order some Taco Burgers. Wash them down with water or Gatorade. No carbonated beverages, the bubbles fill you up but don't add weight. Challenge Doug Eck to a taco eating contest. After you weigh, leave the area quickly before throwing up so they won't make you reweigh!
Posted By: doug747 Re: sub brackets - 03/11/10 02:13 AM
We'll weigh you before we have the Sh*tting for Distance contest.
Posted By: HEADUP Re: sub brackets - 03/11/10 02:18 AM
it's taco station!!! they have special sauce for guys like you will. it's called the @$$h*!e sauce. lol. skip rhonda's spaghetti dinner, i'll bring you some tacos friday night.
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