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Posted By: Cokeley St. James Academy - 01/13/09 04:10 AM

http://www2.shawneedispatch.com/news/2009/jan/07/birth-program/
Posted By: Husker Fan Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 10:42 AM
I read this article when it first came out last week. I enjoyed reading it. It is consistent with the comments that I have made about the program on Eric Johnson's All Class topic two days ago and to Will in a private e-mail yesterday.

As the article points out, I think St. James is a fine program. It is coached by Mike Medina a man that I have the utmost respect for both as a person and a coach. I think they have two of the very best wrestlers in Kansas in Ryne Cokeley and Taylor Moeder. I also think St. James is a program on the rise as all of your wrestlers this year are competing at a higher level now than in the program's first couple of years of existence (I believe St. James is only in your 4th year of existence as a school). I believe their first year that St. James competed on a regular basis in varsity competition was just 3 years ago with their highest grade class in the school at that time being only sophomores. At that time I do not believe that they had many wrestlers who had wrestling experience before high school.

Mike has done an outstanding job coaching and preparing all the kids not just Ryne and Taylor into becoming competitive varsity wrestlers. It is also obvious that all the wrestlers in the program are working very hard in becoming good wrestlers. Like I said yesterday I think St. James is definitely a program on the rise. I want to congratulate Mike, the wrestlers and their families for working so hard for the success that you are achieving and I wish you all the best of luck in the future.

On Eric Johnson's thread about his All Class rankings I have had to make some comments that the St. James wrestling family might take exception to. Basically I am saying that I don't think that St. James is at this time the 9th best team in Kansas. One of the main reasons I am making that statement is that you only finish 11th out of 20 teams at the Johnson County Classic and 11th out of 18 at Derby last weekend. I think that those are both very good showings for a program at such an early stage of existence but I honestly do not believe that it translates into currently the 9th best team in Kansas. I do believe though that your program is headed in that direction. I forsee team state titles in your future.

My reasons for making these statements in the All Class topic is not to be belittling your program but solely to point out to Eric Johnson that his change in method of ranking teams in Kansas is incorrect and misleading in my opinion. I think it is important to point out to Eric when his rankings are incorrect or misleading because a lot of young wrestlers read his rankings and seem to think they are gospel and not just one man's opinion. So I apologize to anyone in the St. James wrestling community over the posts that I have made concerning Eric's current rating of St. James as a team. I think you are a very good team and all of you are doing a great job. I wish all of you and your program the greatest success the remainder of this year and in the future.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 01:57 PM
Vince,

An e-mail was sent to you about bracket scoring and your JOCO comparison.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 02:09 PM
"I just don't see St. James as being legimately ranked over teams like Gardner Edgerton who demolished them and Aquinas at the Classic".

Here is how:

112: Taylor Moeder places 2nd.
119: Tyler Stokes places 2nd.
130: Ryne Cokeley places 2nd.
152: Todd Curtis places 6th.
171: Greg Curtis places 6th.

Every other placer for GE at JOCO does not qualify for Grand State. A narrow point victory for SJA over GE.
Posted By: Pokerface Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 02:22 PM
Eric in your grand state wrestling tournament you would take the top 4 from each of the state tournaments. So rank 16 kids in each weight and remember that 12 kids are going to score points at each weight. That would have to factor in to your team rankings.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 02:38 PM
It did factor in and they didn't score over 40 points.
Posted By: The Octagon Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 03:46 PM
St. James is the best team money can buy. If Cokeley were to build a small motel in his back yard, maybe he could get some more western kansas kids to "move" to our area and get them on the wrestling team. Just goes to show you the difference between public and private. Any other public school wrestling coach shows up at a meet with that many transfers and "move" ins, and the state is all over them for recruiting. Private school is just business as usual. Sounds like the basketball coach at St. James has been out hitting the bricks in recruiting, probably just a matter of time until football does as well. By the way, if St. James gets any team trophy's in wrestling, do they share them with Colby and Aquinas?
Posted By: my3sons Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 04:34 PM
Like or dislike what Will has done for St. James and thier coach it is a free world. I happen to be a good friend of the Moeder's and know Cokley somewhat. I would be crazy to say I'm glad Taylor is at St. James because he would be a great asset to Colby's team. That was the choice Taylor and his family made for wrestling as well as other reasons. I'll continue to support Taylor where ever he is wrestling this season. He has been a friend of my sons and the rest of my family. Tim & Shelly are great people I wish them well in what ever choice's they make. We all must remember to be positive in young men's lives as wrestling is sometimes a small part of it. And no they don't have to share thier trophy, I hope they earn there own right behind Colby's (I had to throw that in Tim & Will). Tim, thanks for everything you have done for Colby wrestling throught out the years. Good Luck Taylor The Arnbergers-Colby
Posted By: moeder Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 04:38 PM
I had not seen or heard of the noted article until this thread. It's a nice article which I would have rather seen on my own and not on the website, but thats beside the point that I would like to address.
Octagon - If you have an opinion or your own theory about why my son is at SJA that is fine and I dont mind you stating it. If you would like to know a complete explanation, please email me and I will further explain it to you, however I will not do so on this website.
What amazes me is that you had to start a NEW registration in order to make those comments. You obviously have no self sense of pride or self respect. We knew that there would be comments/accusations/some hard feelings, etc.. when we came to SJA. We made a family decision and stuck with it. As far as Colby, I have only heard of one or two of the wrestling community that has been negative toward our move, the rest of the wrestling community has been very supportive and we are in continuous contact with eachother.
If you beleive that my son will progress academically, score better on the ACT and achieve a better academic scholarship at your school as opposed to SJA, please contact me - that is my biggest concern. We can always find opportunities to improve in wrestling, however that is pointless if an injury ends your athletic career. We were on the edge of that decision by a physician this summer, so we know first hand that it is always a possibility.
It still however simply makes me laugh that you had to start a new registration. Grow some dude, if you have a comment - state it, but have some self respect in doing it and not by doing it in "hiding".
Posted By: The Octagon Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 05:13 PM
Reread the post Mr. Moeder. You can move your son anywhere you want. I have no problem with you doing what you are for your family. The point is that there is not a level playing field between the public and the private schools. The private schools have many more advantages because they don't have to follow the same rules as the rest of us, yet during competitions we do. If you have money, then you can get whatever you want wherever you want. The families who do not have the financial ability to put their kid in a private school and have to rely on the public system is not getting the same opportunities. It is the haves v. the have nots. As to the new registration, how does that change what I have said. Just because I'm new to the board doesn't mean that what I have to say is less valid. You private school people love to rant and rave about how restrictive the state is in regard to holding kids back, but the state needs to be more restrictive so that the entire system stays fair for all. If it were up to me, we would be like texas and have all the private schools form their own association and then you can do whatever you want and it won't affect the public schools. When we have that, then you won't have people like me telling you what I think, because we won't be competing against one another.
Posted By: moeder Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 05:57 PM
I read the post multiple times and in my opinion I easily and accurately understood what you were implying.
Level playing field? I have followed wrestling for a day or two and it seems to me the public schools are doing just fine with the competition. I dont recall being in Colby's PUBLIC system and ever once giving a single thought to how PRIVATE schools had it better than we did.
If you have money? In our case, it was how we decided to PRIORATIZE the money we have. That was our decision. I dont have any problem how you spend yours, whether you spend it on cigarettes, bowling, flying planes, new car, etc.. Ours is being spent where we prioratized it. We just will do without lots of other things, simple as that.
Any comment holds validity whether its your 1st or your 100th and I dont beleive I stated any differently, except you are not NEW to the wrestling board or you wouldnt be talking about other posts that have been made in the past. Also, it is (IMO) obvious that your newly registered login was simply to voice on this topic. My opinion stays the same.
I guess I still look at a highschool as a highschool as compared to public vs private. I dont expect anything different now that we are at SJA as compared to Colby, and likewise will not act or speak any differently than I did when my son went to a "PUBLIC" school either. I will have just as much pride as I did in Colby and will always post my name and make my email evailable as well, especially if I am pointing fingers at someone.
(Additionally, I guess you arent aware of it since you are "NEW" to the board, but the restriction issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with private vs public. The release of the travel restriction is supported by many in both school designations with the idea of improving our competitors.)

Posted By: Cokeley Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 06:04 PM
Octagon,
Tim's point is you have a name. If you want to be taken seriously then use it!

Fair is where you buy cotton candy. Quit being a whiner and figure out how to improve things. The problem is that too many people work on "making things fair" instead of making themselves better. Goddard is a public school and look at the move ins and fifth year seniors that are in their line up. They figured out a way and they are the best team in the state. Why aren't you calling them out? Life is about choices and some make better than others.

SJA didn't recruit the Moeder's and the Cokeleys are not paying for any kids to go there. In fact, the Cokeleys are giving the public schools a huge chunk of their money as well as paying for private school. You get a better educational situation because my son goes to a private school which I pay for and it is not tax deductible but you want to bitch about it? You are an idiot! (Let me define that for you. One who wants things to get better but doesn't change what he is doing.)

I am really not sure what advantage you think SJA has but I don't see it. Please elaborate!!! It costs $7,000 a year to go there so I see that as a distinct disadvantage! If it didn't cost that much I would put together a line up that would make your head spin! I am certainly glad it isn't up to you and I wish you were a man so we could meet in The Octagon! I like to rant a little but I would love to kick your butt for distracting what was supposed be just a post to allow access to an article.
Posted By: John Leupold Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 06:05 PM
Originally Posted By: moeder
Octagon - If you have an opinion or your own theory about why my son is at SJA that is fine and I dont mind you stating it. If you would like to know a complete explanation, please email me and I will further explain it to you, however I will not do so on this website.


Tim: I wouldn't waste my time trying to explain anything to this guy! Frankly it's none of his business, I applaud you for taking the initiative to do what's best for yourself and your family. I wish your family the best in your new adventure and welcome to Eastern KS!

John
Posted By: GT Williams Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 06:09 PM
Octagon's comments are so factually incorrect and biased that they do not merit a reply. However, if he or anyone else disagrees, they can at least know who I am and contact me.

Tom Williams
wilgt@msn.com
Posted By: Thea Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 06:37 PM
I rarely post here, usually because I feel my knowledge of wrestling is far below any of yours, so I just read and try to learn from you all. I am this time because I truly enjoyed reading the SJA article and I really hope that other schools, both private and public, can see this article and use themselves some of what SJA has done to build their program, simply because of the benefits that I have personally seen from the sport of wrestling, (for example, personal discipline, confidence in self, fitness, nutrition, to mention just a few).

In saying this I think we have to be very careful not to fling accusations or words around because we simply do not have enough knowledge of the surrounding facts to do this. Doing this is hurtful, sounds spiteful and petty and does not benefit the kids or the sport. My son has wrestled against Taylor and attended camps with him. Taylor is first, a great kid, an asset to ANY program, and will have a future after wrestling. The SJA community appears to work hard with and for the kids' programs and I imagine Will is right in there with the rest of them working hard for the programs in the school. However, most of you probably do not know, but Will also has helped kids clear out in southwestern Kansas who are wrestlers, offering them a place to stay and work out and rides. Will has done this to help them develop into better wrestlers and to allow them to forge friendships. This would in no way benefit the SJA program, so I think we have to be really really careful about making implications about improper behavior or groundless accusations. Here, we have a group called the Sports Boosters. We try to help all athletic teams in the school with expenses or equipment needs as they are presented to us. We hold countless fundraisers each year and have meetings (with lots of record keeping!) It’s a lot of work, but worth it for the kids….my point being, if there are some things your school is in need of, there are usually ways of funding it, it just takes some ingenuity and time.

Lets face it people move for a variety of reasons......they buy homes in certain school districts........this one's academic record is better, that one's basketball team goes to state every year.....the next one has a great music program.....I think you see what I mean. Remember this is supposed to be a positive avenue for information and comments, so let’s be careful, a lot of young men read this site too. The initial post here was to give access to those of us trying to learn how to build and start a program some ideas from how someone else did it……..that is always a good thing. This being said, I know there is always some frustration, but we are all here hopefully to do one thing….make a positive difference in the lives of the kids (borrowed from Randy..ty). Thanks for all your help and tolerance throughout these years!

Thea Schnittker
tschnitt@pld.com
Posted By: doug747 Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 07:21 PM
Class warfare. You and your buddies, Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc. love to play that game.

If you people would spend as much time worrying about bettering your own life, school, wrestling program, etc., as you do worrying about someone else making good things happen at theirs, you would be a lot better off. That was a run-on sentence. Perhaps I should go to a private school to learn better grammar. Naaa, don't want to be chastised by octagon......
Posted By: Ty fan Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 07:35 PM
I agree with Thea. Will has a long history with my son's wrestling club and has always been the first to help with anything having to do with the sport. Many people lacking resources have benefitted from his assistance. As a parent, I feel it is my responsibility to make the best decisions possible to help ensure a successful future for my child. I applaud the Moeders for their initiative as well as the Colby members who support them. That is a true sign of what is important; the future of each individual child.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 08:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Thea
In saying this I think we have to be very careful not to fling accusations or words around because we simply do not have enough knowledge of the surrounding facts to do this.

I agree but of course it should work both ways. Calling names on a messageboard, be it "communist", "socialist", "idiot", or the all-time classic "retard" (those are a few that come to mind), should be frowned on as well!

Originally Posted By: Thea
Here, we have a group called the Sports Boosters. We try to help all athletic teams in the school with expenses or equipment needs as they are presented to us. We hold countless fundraisers each year and have meetings (with lots of record keeping!) It’s a lot of work, but worth it for the kids….my point being, if there are some things your school is in need of, there are usually ways of funding it, it just takes some ingenuity and time.

If you are a wrestling fan first and foremost which most on this board likely are, you should make sure your efforts and funds are funneled directly towards the wrestling programs in the high school or middle school. Otherwise, you will find the better part of your time and money being used on other sports.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 09:06 PM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
I agree but of course it should work both ways. Calling names on a messageboard, be it "communist", "socialist", "idiot", or the all-time classic "retard" (those are a few that come to mind), should be frowned on as well!


I am guilty of the aforementioned crime! Give me the death penalty for name calling! WHATEVER, Greg! I will make you a deal. You admit to everyone that you are Greg Boucher and I will not call anyone a "special name" any more. Deal?

When you hide behind an alias it is open season on name calling. If Octagon would have had a real name, like Greg Boucher, then we could have addressed him by that instead of more appropriate aliases like "idiot" or my all time favorite "sportszero". Don't you believe that sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you? A little name calling can be fun but when you are accusing a school of cheating or an individual of transgressing the rules, that is serious.

Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
If you are a wrestling fan first and foremost which most on this board likely are, you should make sure your efforts and funds are funneled directly towards the wrestling programs in the high school or middle school. Otherwise, you will find the better part of your time and money being used on other sports.


Greg, I commend you on this comment. You are exactly right! This should also be a caveat to those clubs and organizations that donate funds to a university or community college wrestling program. Make sure the funds get into the right hands.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 10:05 PM
Actually the rules of this forum don't dictate what you can or can't say in a negative fashion towards another person, or program, it just states that if you do so you must use your name. I have seen several posts now where the poster refuses to do this. Will, and/or any other can say idot, stupid, ignorant, or whatever they want, as long as they use their name, Will does that, it is one reason I personally respect him. Then again, those who claim to do all they do, we will never really know how much they really know because they don't let us know who they are, that says something there. If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!
Posted By: djsnyder Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 10:47 PM
first of all i would like to congradulate taylor on another start to an outstanding season i would like to be the first to wish him the best of luck the rest of the way. my family has ben friends with tim, shelly, taylor, and stuby for over ten years now. we have and always will wish them the best of luck in whatever they do. friends like the moeders you don't find very often and my family is better for knowing them. the day tim told me his family was leaving was a very sad day for my son dalton, my daughter kellee, and me. we are far better for having the honer of being friends with them and can only hope that we stay close throughout the years even though we are miles apart. with that said i would like not only for octagon to post his name but also get his facts strait. if you only knew the moeders the way my family does you wouldn't be posting these stupid coments. my son would not be where he is today in life or in the sport of wrestling if we wouldn't have known tim and taylor. in the sport of wrestling my son owes them alot. we will always be thankfull. dalton and i would also like to give a thanks to cokely, all his time and effort in the sport of wrestling has personly helped my son in his wrestling career. thanks will. we look forward to seing you guys at state.
darin, dalton, and kellee snyder.
Posted By: John Johnson Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 10:57 PM
Level playing field!!!! What are we talking about. There is no such thing. Life is not fair. That is what wrestling is all about. Its about learning to overcome adversity. In life you will have many and if every time you face some you yell 'I want a level playing field' you are never going to get anywhere. You want a level playing field in wrestling - maybe we should dictate how many stars each high school team can have.

I think what Will is trying to say - sometimes not real well - is wrestling must improve in Kansas or is will go the way of golf and swimming. If something doesn't improve, it will ultimately cease to exist as we know it. Having been away from wrestling for almost 25 years before my son started I see wrestling is in a state of decline. Yes the good kids are better now, but many schools cannot even fill out a whole team. Will is just asking the 'powers that be' to allow us to improve. My son will go to a 3A, public school, and the changes Will wants will help him. Small schools lack practice partners and would be better off if multi-squad practices were allowed. Allowing these kids to attend Purler clinics during the Christmas break would not only help, but is about free choice - an American principle. And, I do not think my Democrats would be against that Doug.

The whole idea that 3A schools cannot compete unless KSHSSA holds everyone else back is bull. I understand that small schools need all their athletes to go out for every sport and do not like a specialized athlete. But it will come. Whether you like it or not kids are going to specialize. It cannot be stopped. The discussion needs to be how to make this work, not how to stop it. Will has some good ideas, maybe not all. But, people need to recognize that those who strive to be the best will seek each other out and do what it takes to compete on a national level. Then what will we do - level the playing field and ban them from KSHSSA events because they are too good.

My son will start High School next year and I think it should be between him and his coach who he practices with, if he attends clinics, etc, not a governing board - and to say 'then don't participate' is not a choice.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: St. James Academy - 01/13/09 11:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Then again, those who claim to do all they do, we will never really know how much they really know because they don't let us know who they are, that says something there. If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!
Did I miss the "claim to do all they do"?

There are many supporters of wrestling in their local communities who choose to remain in relative anonymity and others who feel the need to get their name in the spotlight to promote themselves.

Inasmuch as I am personally acquainted with Will and sportsfan02 I can attest to the fact neither seek the spotlight.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:07 AM
Originally Posted By: RichardDSalyer
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Then again, those who claim to do all they do, we will never really know how much they really know because they don't let us know who they are, that says something there. If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!
Did I miss the "claim to do all they do"?

There are many supporters of wrestling in their local communities who choose to remain in relative anonymity and others who feel the need to get their name in the spotlight to promote themselves.

Inasmuch as I am personally acquainted with Will and sportsfan02 I can attest to the fact neither seek the spotlight.


Maybe that wasn’t the best use of wording on my part, but Richard, maybe you would like to comment on following the forum rules regarding use of names when making personal attacks. I obviously wasn't speaking of Will, he always uses his name, I don't know of him ever using an alias on either Kansas or other National Forums to make negative comments towards others, certainly not ever towards any High School Kids. Of course I am not implying that Sportsfan02 or the other poster on this thread has done that, but I know of at least one poster on here who has.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:08 AM
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!

Or a person could choose to simply go back and delete any negative or controversial posts that he or she has made after the fact. Personally, I find that as distasteful as name calling. Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:14 AM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!

Or a person could choose to simply go back and delete any negative or controversial posts that he or she has made after the fact. Personally, I find that as distasteful as name calling. Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate.


So Greg Boucher, are you getting off the bull or going to cowboy up and admit who you are? Ad homonym attacks are as of much value as a nameless poster on these forums who continue to make attacks but don't have the guts to admit who they are. By the way, why don't you fess up?
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:30 AM
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
[quote=Mike Furches]If you want to use an alias to praise, have fun, whatever, fine, I don't care, but if you want to use an alias to be critical, either cowboy up or get off the bull!

Or a person could choose to simply go back and delete any negative or controversial posts that he or she has made after the fact. Personally, I find that as distasteful as name calling. Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate.


Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Ad homonym attacks are as of much value as a nameless poster on these forums who continue to make attacks but don't have the guts to admit who they are.

When you see me Sportsfan02 attack someone be sure to let me know. I would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts. I prefer to think of myself as some sort of messageboard super hero, pointing out hypocrits and frauds wherever I find them. Maybe I should add an "S" (for Super), to the front of my screename?
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:47 AM
So this is an admission as to being Greg Boucher, also Greg, as per staying focused and off those ad homonym attacks, why do you clearly violate the forum rules? Now what was it you said about calling others names like gutless, "Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate."
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:53 AM
Copied from agreement page to become a forum member:

This is a free forum, created for the purpose of promoting Kansas wrestling, and those who wrestle, through the exchange of thoughts and suggestions, and for the recognition of the accomplishments of those involved in our sport.

There are just two basic rules that are necessary to keep in mind. First, remember that this is a family oriented forum, and is regularly viewed by young wrestlers. Second, "cheap shots" will not be tolerated. If you are going to post a message critical of an individual, group or idea, you must give your true name and/or email address. Be willing to stand behind your comments, or keep them to yourself.

Comments regarding this policy may be directed to Mike Juby at mikejuby@usawks.com.



I accept the Board Rules.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 01:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Now what was it you said about calling others names like gutless, "Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate."

I said "I" Sportsfan02 "would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts". Hope that clears it up for you.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 02:07 AM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Now what was it you said about calling others names like gutless, "Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate."

I said "I" Sportsfan02 "would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts". Hope that clears it up for you.
Care to comment on those forum rules you seem to keep ignoring?

Also to help you out a little:

ad homonym:
A logical fallacy used in an argument or debate. When someone attacks the person instead of the subject at hand, usually complete irrelevant and personal
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 02:21 AM
Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
[quote=Mike Furches] Now what was it you said about calling others names like gutless, "Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate."

I said "I" Sportsfan02 "would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts". Hope that clears it up for you.

Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
Care to comment on those forum rules you seem to keep ignoring?

I feel certain that if I was in violation of any forum rules I would be notified.

Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
ad homonym:
A logical fallacy used in an argument or debate. When someone attacks the person instead of the subject at hand, usually complete irrelevant and personal

So, insisting on knowing a posters identity other than by their screename, instead of addressing their particular opinion or idea would be an "ad homonym"? I get that! My philosophy would be best described in the words of Jim Rome "have a take and don't suck".
Posted By: HEADUP Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 02:42 AM
i've got an idea, let's all pick a date. show up and argue all you want for five hours. in the end we will give you all medals and call you debators. this is a free website,and i feel that you should be able to post any thing you want and hide your identity if you feel the need. what i don't think needs to happen is to get on here and banter back and forth over stuff that has nothing to do with anything. cokely like i said before, stop getting drug into the street. if you are truly proud of what you and you sons have done in this sport (and you should be), then you don't need to come on here and battle. if you guys want this to be a forensics website, keep it up. if you want to keep it a wrestling website, then contact me, i'll set up the time, place and supply the ref. sportsfan02, keep to the subject at hand, or stay off the site. again this is a wreslting site, not forensics, or english.
Posted By: Crossface King Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 02:49 AM
As an assistant coach, the article helped to remind me that a good wrestling program is always a work in progress, and believe me I do my best to form relationships with the younger kids to help keep our program numbers good.
It also reminded me to make sure I did my best as a teacher to insure all my students received an academically challenging education.
Posted By: Predictor Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 02:56 AM
Great article. I am anxious to see Cokeley compete at the Garden City Invite. He is undefeated and can solidify his season by beating the boy from Rio Rancho (Trujillo) who took 2nd at 130 at Reno Tournament of Champions. This is going to be a heck of a match! Any Predictions???
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 03:08 AM
Originally Posted By: suckerpunch
sportsfan02, keep to the subject at hand, or stay off the site. again this is a wreslting site, not forensics, or english.

I agree and I try not to be the first one to hijack any thread but will sometimes jump in once the ice has been broken. We have IMO already seen some of our traffic diverted to other prep messageboards and blogs due to the name calling that goes on here. That said, I will not allow anyone other than a moderator to tell me to "stay off the site".
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 03:59 AM
Originally Posted By: sportsfan02
Originally Posted By: suckerpunch
sportsfan02, keep to the subject at hand, or stay off the site. again this is a wreslting site, not forensics, or english.

I agree and I try not to be the first one to hijack any thread but will sometimes jump in once the ice has been broken. We have IMO already seen some of our traffic diverted to other prep messageboards and blogs due to the name calling that goes on here. That said, I will not allow anyone other than a moderator to tell me to "stay off the site".


Traffic has been diverted to other prep messageboards due to the name calling? So to avoid name calling, someone has started regularly visiting Florida's wrestling site?
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 12:50 PM
No, other Kansas prep sports messageboards and blogs.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: St. James Academy - 01/14/09 11:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Predictor
Great article. I am anxious to see Cokeley compete at the Garden City Invite. He is undefeated and can solidify his season by beating the boy from Rio Rancho (Trujillo) who took 2nd at 130 at Reno Tournament of Champions. This is going to be a heck of a match! Any Predictions???


Louis beat Ryne in the Finals at Fargo in Freestyle. He is physical and stays in great position. Much like CJ Napier. There are some other tough hombres in there as well. Dan Frank and Trent Cox. Both 2x SC seniors. It will be fun!
Posted By: greyeagle Re: St. James Academy - 01/15/09 12:04 AM
I read this post and had to reply. I have to go with the Moeder family on this one. I think a parent has a right to send their kids wherever they want to, regardless of the sport element. I've had 5 kids go through school systems, both public and private. They were able to go where they could do the best. It wasn't always easy either. I wouldn't change a thing. The only drawback in Taylor's situation is I miss seeing him wrestle and seeing the family in Colby. I wish them the best of luck, that goes for Taylor also. Be sure to look me up when back "home" next time. Maybe by then I can feed you some BBQ !
Posted By: Stevie08 Re: St. James Academy - 01/15/09 07:09 PM
As someone who knows nothing about the Moeder family, I completely support their decision to send their son to what they believe is the best school for him. To anyone hinting towards a recruitment by St. James or Mr. Cokeley, private schools have punishments just as a public school would for recruiting, so just shut up about it. Sure, it happens...just as it happens with public schooling. Leave it up to the parents and what they believe is best for their child.
Posted By: tbau Re: St. James Academy - 01/19/09 01:49 AM
I heard a rumor at the Bobcat that Cokeley was building a dorm behind his wrestling barn to house out of town kids wrestling at St.James. is there any truth to that?
Posted By: coach neil Re: St. James Academy - 01/19/09 02:27 AM
Funny. I heard the same thing.
Posted By: GT Williams Re: St. James Academy - 01/19/09 02:44 AM
You guys are ridiculous and this is simply rumor mongering at the lowest level. Shame on you.

ps. It's not a dorm, it's a Super 8 motel.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: St. James Academy - 01/19/09 02:50 AM
With "Thunder" written on all the towels and pillowcases.
Posted By: shawnbudke Re: St. James Academy - 01/20/09 07:24 PM
Guys,

Come on, if you are going to start rumors at least get them straight.....

Cokeley isn't putting a Super 8 in his backyard...they usually don't have workout rooms.

I couldn't make the Bobcat tourney because he had me go to Hawaii and I was getting plans from the Hawaiian Hilton....that's what he is putting in his backyard!

On a serious note....great article. Coach Medina is doing a great job at SJA. He is great with the kids and is a great coach! I applaud Will for the help he gives to all the kids that wrestle. Big kuddos to Ryne for his hard work and for continuing to challenge himself!

Shawn Budke
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