I wish all regional sites would use the program that Abilene and Caney use to publish the tourney for those of us that are unable to attend. It should be a requirement in able to host a tourney. I realize it's alot of work that takes time and dedication not to mention the volunteers required but it seems to be a worthwhile trade off for the benifits (hotels, meals, concessions, gate, etc, ) Anybody's thoughts on this ???
Most regionals are using this program they haven't been updated/loaded yet. I know our Regional (Spring Hill) is using it and they said it will be updated online.
Great post. I agree with greyeagle. That would make all the regionals uniform and would be fantastic for fan support! Let's encourage all regional directors to get their brackets on the KWCA web site!
Andover Central will not have brackets up until after the seeding meeting Friday evening.
Anyone know yet when Ulysses will have their brackets up.
Seeding for Ulysses is tonight at 5:30, so I would think tomorrow AM sometime.
Why is the seeding meeting on Thursday night? On a different thread they are talking about the possibility of cutting sports because of the costs involved.
Wichita Independent will have to travel to Ulysses for a seeding meeting that could just as easily be held on Friday morning. Will they take their entire team down Thursday night? Will the coach drive down on Thursday and return Thursday night only to turn around and drive back down with his team on Friday? If he does not take his team down Thursday he will be forced to miss practicing with them on Thursday.
These are issues which will become more and more important with school districts in light of our current economy.
I would like to see seeting meeting become via the internet very shortly along with All- League Political stuff
I would not want to travel forever just to seed wrestlers- go off the percentage and good luck to everyone
At least KSHSAA is putting the rules meetings for sports online next year.
I would like to see seeting meeting become via the internet very shortly along with All- League Political stuff
I would not want to travel forever just to seed wrestlers- go off the percentage and good luck to everyone
That is crazy. Go off percentages. Never!
It's very simple:
3-2-1A and 4A should not be allowed to have their seeding meeting until Friday morning since they don't start wrestling until Friday afternoon. Thus, the teams that travel only have to pay for one night's hotel stay.
5A and 6A could continue to have their seeding meeting on Friday night because wrestling starts Saturday morning. Teams that travel to 6A and 5A arrive on Friday night and are already there.
321A Garden Plain is doing there seeding meeting at 11:00a.m. on Friday. Good Job Garden Plain.
Just bragging here, so go on if you don't want to "listen' to it;
but. . .
I think the 1995 Norton Regional may have been the first (in "modern times", anyway) to seed on the Friday morning. I was the tournament manager and decided to do it that way so (1) coaches did not have to miss a practice (remember our region covers a big territory) and (2) I wanted the programs being sold to the fans to be 100% accurate. This was in the day before computer programs were widely available and we had a lady type up the brackets as they were seeded and then taken to the office to be run off.
There was some opposition when we announced the plan--won't have enough time, will have to send the coach ahead of the team, etc. etc. We did end up having a protracted discussion and stalemate at 189--who was #1; Dennis of Oakley or Boyle of Norton? But the meeting was still over more than an hour before we started wrestling.
In my opinion, seeding on the Friday for the two day tournaments is the only way it should happen.
Egg, you're exactly right!!
I believe the tournament host should do what's best for the teams attending, not what's best for them.
I remember having to drive two hours to a seeding meeting after a shortened practice, and then turn around and drive back home, getting home late, and then have to get up and teach the next day.
This cost extra money for the school, took time away from my family on a school night, and wasn't exactly the safest to drive home tired after a full day of teaching and coaching.
When you seed earlier in the week there are always changes in brackets anyway.
I think the simplest solution would be a phone conference. If that many coaches don't want to do it Thursday night in person, then do it Thursday night via phone. Then there will be no travel cost or anything. I don't think this is the biggest deal in the world though. There are other more important things that need to be fixed. Also keep in mind many coaches would rather have their team stay the night before when they travel long distances. Then they don't have to worry about the long trip effecting their guys and the team is fresh the next day.
4A is way ahead of everybody on posting brackets! There is NO EXCUSE to not have the brackets posted within a half a day after your seeding meeting. If the person responsible is busy, GIVE THE PASSWORD to someone who can post the brackets. Please e-mail or call your Regional directors and offer to help them in posting the brackets for TOMORROW!
Do they rebracket Saturday morning if someone does not make weight - or is it just scratch/bye? Or do they redraw the byes if there are any.
Not all seading meetings were held last night. Some are today an this evening. And no, they wont be wrestling if they dont wrestle if they dont make weight.
My point was they could make tenative brackets. Once weigh-ins and skin checks are completed and any sick kids are eliminated. Then the "official" bracket can be made Saturday morning after weigh-ins. I thought if someone doesn't make weight at a qualifying tournament then the byes had to be redrawn. The regional directors could post the seeds dicussed at the meeting when they are done. Not many brackets would change - but I would say there is a good chance someone in the state doesn't make weight tomarrow.
Hey Ulysses, Still NOT WORKING !!!!!!!!!!! All the other 4A Regionals are up and working!!!!!!!!
Do they rebracket Saturday morning if someone does not make weight - or is it just scratch/bye? Or do they redraw the byes if there are any.
For the regional tournament, weighing in and making weight places the wrestler's name on the tournament bracket. Failure to participate in the official weigh-in or failure to make weight is a bye.
In a tournament situation once a wrestler has made weight and appears on the bracket, if for any reason he fails to appear for a match, it is a forfeit.
Exception: When the forfeit is because of an injury or illness which occurred during the tournament, the tournament director, in consultation with available medical personnel and the coach of the injured contestant shall determine the contestant's ability to continue.
Hey Ulysses, Still NOT WORKING !!!!!!!!!!! All the other 4A Regionals are up and working!!!!!!!!
Total lapse of responsibility to the viewers they crave to keep. I know they were at the tournament, but they could check their site before leaving or at least leave someone to take car of business
I feel this should be a REQUIREMENT to be able to host a Regional
I agree with greyeagle. There can be only one reason to not post the brackets. It is apathy and there is no excuse for it. Make it a requirement to post the brackets within a reasonable time after the seeding meeting. All year, there have been many coaches that consistently fail to send results in for their duals.
E-MAIL or call the tournament directors and remind them of this sport's fan base!
My point was they could make tenative brackets. Once weigh-ins and skin checks are completed and any sick kids are eliminated. Then the "official" bracket can be made Saturday morning after weigh-ins. I thought if someone doesn't make weight at a qualifying tournament then the byes had to be redrawn. The regional directors could post the seeds dicussed at the meeting when they are done. Not many brackets would change - but I would say there is a good chance someone in the state doesn't make weight tomarrow.
There is another short seeding meeting after weigh-ins to discuss the changes. A laptop and a login easily changes the brackets.
I guess the do not post them early - because every bracket is not final until after weigh-ins.
The brackets are filled in and were handed out to every coach. There are always a few changes after weigh-in but they still should be posted. I predict that most of the regions won't have brackets posted until AFTER the tournament. Sad.
I totally agree with Chief, it is SAD, not only for the fans, but really for the parents that for one reason or another, couldn't make the trip, I am pretty sure that those folks would like to keep up with the progress of their wrestlers.
MAKE BRACKET POSTING MANDATORY
Ulysses has been busting their tails to get their updates up and running. They are very aware of it. The Tech people have been on it, but obviously no luck. I know that they plan to get on it again first thing in the morning.
There is a possibility of putting a link up through
www.ulysses.org if all else fails in the morning.
I can't give exact team scores, but Colby has a decent lead, around 140, to Andales and Scott City's 105. Those are ballpark figures.
Nice job at Burlington, Spring Hill, Abilene, Emporia and Caney! You just knew that Burlington would have a premium web site.
Five regionals out of 16 are posted.
can you at least tell us who is in the finals at each weight
No, but I can tell you that everyone made weight. I didn't see the semi's.
Abilene Regional:
103 - Cole (AB) 37-1 vs. Wolf (SV) 31-0
112 - Mitchell (SV) 33-2 vs. Crotinger 26-12
119 - Singular (CC) 28-6 vs. Steele (JW) 22-5
125 - Charbonneau (CC) 29-7 vs. Lovvern 33-8
130 - Strauss (AB) 29-9 vs. Woodward (JW) 22-6
135 - Anderson (CC) 34-0 vs. Madden (PL) 33-6
140 - Atlakson (HIA) 37-5 vs. Brock (TG) 37-5
145 - Wuthnow (AB) 36-5 vs. Robb (PL) 33-5
152 - Picking (AB) 13-3 vs. Lackey (SV) 24-8
160 - Wuthnow (AB) 37-3 vs. Lemon (CH) 30-8
171 - Hasenbank (CON) 35-3 vs. Richardson (CH) 33-3
189 - Marrs (CC) 30-2 vs. Davis (TG) 31-10
215 - Wuthnow (AB) 34-4 vs. Patenaude (CC) 26-5
285 - Devader (HOL) 36-3 vs. Gjerstad (AB) 30-5
does anyone know the finalists at Ulysses?
Supposedly everything that we are sending is not being received. Ours is saying that it is sent.
Finalists
103-Kriss, Colby v Boxberger, Russell
112-Reed, Colby v Antillion SC
119-Eck, Andale v Furches, Clearwater
125-Bontz, Wich Ind v Schmittberger, Russell
130-Schnittker, Hugo v Duhr, Andale
135-Medina, Hesston v Stuckey, SC
140- Hayes, SC v Hill, Hugoton
145-Hattebaugh, Andale, v Rodriguez, Uly
152-Newell, Uly v Soucie, Wich Ind
160-Armstrong, Andale v Baird, Pratt
171-Amberger, Colby v Hoeme, SC
189-Bortz, Pratt v Bugbee, Colby
215-Kriss, Colby v Kreutzer, Pratt
285-Finney, Andale v Weber, Colby
Team scores, Colby 147.5, Andale 105, SC 105, Pratt 75, Ulysses 72.5, Russell 59.5, Wich Ind 54, Hugoton 52, Clearwater 46.5, Wellington 26, Hesston 23, Buhler 16, Haven 8, Nickerson 6, Cheney 0.
That is the Ulysses finalists in the above post.
Rick Cue
Ulysses
We all have to accept the fact that the laws of normal distribution are in play. We have around 200 head coaches and some are on the right (extremely passionate) and some are on the left (just collecting a check). I understand that not every coach loves wrestling as much as I do so I know why we don't have the brackets up for 5A and 6A like we did after the seeding meetings for some 4A and 321A regionals . I understand that most coaches are fired up and will be happy March 1st that the season is over until next November while a small number of others will be chomping at the bit to get to the end of school so they can work on FS and GR all summer. (By the way, all of you other coaches, admins, school board members, and KSHSAA boardfolk PLEASE let these coaches do what they love. They should be allowed to coach their wrestlers year round if their wrestlers want help. It is just STUPID that a rule prevents coaches and kids from striving to excel.) I understand that it takes all kinds and that we can't have all of our coaches on the right side of the curve. What I don't understand is why those who are apathetic get in the way of those who want to do things the RIGHT way. If you are lazy, don't give a crap, or tired then find a coach, admin, or other passionate wrestling supporter to post the brackets and update, real-time on-line.
I have a friend who loves wrestling and cannot attend these events in person. He lives for my text messages or what information he can get from this Forum. I am sure there are 100's more just like him. Grandpa, Grandmas, cousins, dads in Iraq, etc who deserve to have this information made available as soon as it is available. It is just your job so do it or find someone who will. The more we support and publicize our sport the greater following we will create. Stop the apathy or find someone who is passionate to do the job! NO MORE EXCUSES!
Well said. It's Saturday AM & the brackets are still not up. Somehow this needs to be taken care of!
I think there were more brackets posted last year than there are this year.
Anybody know the start time for the Bishop Miege 5A Regional. Emporia 1st round is 10 AM---but their schools have to drive a ways to get their. At BM everyone is just down the road a piece and everyone might sleep late!!