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Posted By: Cokeley Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/26/09 11:59 PM
I like a white Christmas as much as anyone but this was a little much. I am stuck in the house and now I am left with nothing to do but contemplate some Derby matchups!

Ark City, Bishop Carroll, Derby, Emporia, Goddard, Great Bend, El Dorado, Harah OK, Nixa Mo, Pittsburg, Rose Hill, Shawnee Heights, St. James Academy, Valley Center, Wellington, Wichita Heights, Wichita South, Winfield,

No Garden City this year. frown

Here are a couple of good ones that might happen:

Moeder v. Nitcher
Cokeley v. Blair


Lets hear of some others...
Posted By: Utown Tiger Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 01:37 AM
No GC? 145 class looked tough with Cokeley, Sanchez, Dozier, Penka and Shavlik!
Posted By: pittwrestling4 Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 04:07 AM
Penka is going 52
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 04:35 AM
I think Shavlik is going 52 as well. Perhaps Mr. Sanchez would like to join the party? After the Christmas feasting a weekend up a weight class might be a good thing.
Posted By: HEADUP Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 07:34 AM
charbonneau vs carado at 130- 1/2 in 5a
Posted By: Utown Tiger Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 05:14 PM
charbonneau v. Moeder
Posted By: BLT Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/27/09 11:09 PM
215 has 3 ranked kids!
Hicks Goddard and Marlatt Derby will be a good match!
It should be one of those 2 vs Kolmer in the finals!
At 189 Carpenter and Beard should be a good one as well!
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/28/09 01:59 AM
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
charbonneau v. Moeder


Moeder will go 135 to wrestle Nitcher.
Posted By: BigEd Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/28/09 02:04 AM
Jones (AC) Vs Deshazer (WH) at 125
Heincker(DB) vs Mertins(VC) at 125
Posted By: Gorilla93 Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/28/09 03:21 PM
I'm interested to see how the Pitt Wrestlers fare against a lot of the Wichita area schools. They fared really well at Gardner/Carl Junction/ and a meat grinder at Claremore. I hope that wrestler move around a little bit to get the matchups that everyone wants to see....but more importantly to challenge themselves to see where they are. I would much rather see young men take on the challenges than worry about an unblemished record. There are going to be state champions, both past and present wrestling for 5/6th, 3/4th at this tourney....oh and 1st/2nd.
Posted By: Jeremy Molloy Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/28/09 04:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
I think Shavlik is going 52 as well. Perhaps Mr. Sanchez would like to join the party? After the Christmas feasting a weekend up a weight class might be a good thing.
Shavlik is going 45 our team is set with everyone at the weights they plan on wrestling the rest of the season. Another good match Little(derby) vs Houlden(godd)
Posted By: HEADUP Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/29/09 02:43 PM
looks to be very interesting:
4- top 10 teams (all class)
31- top 10 wrestlers (all class)
135- 4
125- 3
130- 3
140- 3
145- 3
189- 3
215- 3
Posted By: KANSAS PRIDE Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/29/09 04:07 PM
Don't leave out Kash biddle at 135, and Vance Oliver at 140.
Posted By: ksman01 Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 04:24 AM
Is it final that moeder will be going to 135?
Posted By: moeder Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 12:54 PM
Originally Posted By: ksman01
Is it final that moeder will be going to 135?


When Taylor left for Colby to visit relatives and see old friends his plan was to go 135 at Derby. HIS plan however is irrelevant and he will go whatever weight his coach tells him he is going when he gets back.
Posted By: Dean Welsh Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 02:42 PM
Ha, well put Tim. ie. "HIS plan in irrelevant. . . "

Way to be a team player and do what is best for the team. Way to have respect/support - from/towards his coach.

Dean
Posted By: BigEd Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 05:37 PM
Little (DB) vs Houlden(GD)/Oliver(WF) will be a great match in the finals!!
Posted By: Jeremy Molloy Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 05:49 PM
140 bracket should have Oliver(winfield 2 in 5a),Koehn(pitt 4 in 5a), Rickabaugh(sh 6 in 5a), Houlden(gd 1 in 6a), Little(db 2 in 6a)also could have U.Deshazer. I cant wait for the seating meeting its gonna be good entertainment.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 05:54 PM
Almost as tough as 140 at Basehor:

Blew - #1 5A
Houlden - #1 6A
O'Hara - #3 4A
Johnson - #4 6A
Koehn - #4 5A
Posted By: Utown Tiger Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 07:15 PM
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world. I have seen a coach convince a wrestler and his parents that dropping 4 weight classes is all for the team and put the wrestler in the hospital from dehydration and low blood sugar for sure! In the end a wrestler is on their own and the coach is all about getting that TEAM championship that will get him a pay raise or better paying job! But that’s just my opinion.
Posted By: Jeremy Molloy Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 07:39 PM
Coaches are paid to coach thir teams to the best of their ability most coaches tell the individuals to do their best and the team aspect will take care of itself. As far as your money coments they are irrelevant at the highschool level I dont see any coaches getting rich coaching highschool. The cutting weight I dont know the circumstances of your comments but looks more like parents not keeping an eye on their childs health and also partly the coaches for not seeing the kid was cutting to much, people all have different tolerance levels when it comes to cutting weight some can do it some cant some do it to run from competition some do it to go after competition as is the case with Moeder and I think he would be bumping up a weight not dropping.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 07:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world. I have seen a coach convince a wrestler and his parents that dropping 4 weight classes is all for the team and put the wrestler in the hospital from dehydration and low blood sugar for sure! In the end a wrestler is on their own and the coach is all about getting that TEAM championship that will get him a pay raise or better paying job! But that’s just my opinion.




Am I a little slow or is this post sort of out of out of "left field"??
Posted By: HEADUP Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 08:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world.



i have seen plenty of state championship wrestlers who couldn't make a bad team any better.

i have seen plenty of good wrestling teams make plenty of bad wrestlers better.

most guys i know would love to be on a good team. granted some coaches do some crazy things, as do some parents/ wrestlers. that doesn't make it a bad thing to do what is best for the team. i don't think bumping up is ever a bad thing.... competition, strenth, whatever the reason.
Posted By: Utown Tiger Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 09:25 PM
i was responding to this - When Taylor left for Colby to visit relatives and see old friends his plan was to go 135 at Derby. HIS plan however is irrelevant and he will go whatever weight his coach tells him he is going when he gets back.
Posted By: Utown Tiger Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 09:32 PM
i do believe wrestling up is great especially with the match possibilities that are gonna be at this tourney! anywho's just seeing it from a different point of view but i really cant wait to get to Derby and see all the action next weekend!
Posted By: Dean Welsh Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 10:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world. I have seen a coach convince a wrestler and his parents that dropping 4 weight classes is all for the team and put the wrestler in the hospital from dehydration and low blood sugar for sure! In the end a wrestler is on their own and the coach is all about getting that TEAM championship that will get him a pay raise or better paying job! But that’s just my opinion.




Am I a little slow or is this post sort of out of out of "left field"??


Roger that Will. Left field!

;-)
Posted By: moeder Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/30/09 10:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world. I have seen a coach convince a wrestler and his parents that dropping 4 weight classes is all for the team and put the wrestler in the hospital from dehydration and low blood sugar for sure! In the end a wrestler is on their own and the coach is all about getting that TEAM championship that will get him a pay raise or better paying job! But that’s just my opinion.


I'm not sure I follow the message your post is trying to get across, but I can verify from first hand experience that Coach Sims in Colby and Coach Medina at St. James do not fit your coaching "profile". Nor do I feel that any of the other many, many coaches I know fit that profile. (and I would guess any that you really know either)
Posted By: M.Church_AD Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/31/09 02:34 AM
Originally Posted By: Utown Tiger
I have never seen a team get an individual into college to wrestling but maybe it’s different in your world. I have seen a coach convince a wrestler and his parents that dropping 4 weight classes is all for the team and put the wrestler in the hospital from dehydration and low blood sugar for sure! In the end a wrestler is on their own and the coach is all about getting that TEAM championship that will get him a pay raise or better paying job! But that’s just my opinion.


I have read and read and still do not know what this says. I am ordering my Orphan Annie Decoder from the move "Christmas Story" and maybe it will give me the top secret message. If I had to guess, it says "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine" smile
Posted By: Ricky Bobby Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/31/09 06:50 AM
You'll shoot your eye out trying to figure out Tiger's post.
Posted By: HEADUP Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/31/09 01:13 PM
utown, is having some blame issues. trust me son step up and take accountability for your actions. you will feel better, and your quality of life will improve. i understand that some coaches are fools, but if you don't want to cut 4 weight classes, don't. instead spend more time in the weight room, get bigger and stronger. then decide what weight you want, challenge for it, win it, own it. certainly don't place blame on someone else.
Posted By: Gorilla93 Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 12/31/09 04:59 PM
CHAKA not Understand What be said here. Chaka think I will just watch wrastling at Derby and let the cards fall. Land of the Lost sarcasm.
Posted By: Standing_up Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/01/10 09:10 PM
I dont know much about how the way the weights work but I was always told if you go down so many weight classes you have to get a doctors permission? Is this not right.

Also i agree with suckerpunch, dont blame your coaches because you dont know how to say no. Our coaches are the greatest. There not getting rich coaching, or teaching for that matter. I thank all coaches for giving the extra time to be a coach.
Posted By: M.Church_AD Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/03/10 11:34 PM
You mean I won't be able to retire on my coaching salary? Dang!!!! I thought I was getting a contract equivalent to Cael Sanderson at Penn State. Shoot, I guess my $500,000 a year deal through Wichita Heights and the new $4.5 million dollar facility was going to set me for life!!!! I guess the recession hit harder than I thought and now I will have to go back to teaching for a living!!!
Posted By: HEADUP Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/04/10 12:18 AM
well now that coach leach locked a kid in the closet down in lubbock, coaches won't be able to do anything. heck i bet craig james and his son, would think any wrestling practice was too rough. that's what they will do FALCONCOACH they will wait until that $500,000 salary is due then fire you for making the kids do too many push-ups.
Posted By: GranbyonaRoll Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/05/10 05:28 PM
Originally Posted By: ksman01
Is it final that moeder will be going to 135?


When Taylor left for Colby to visit relatives and see old friends his plan was to go 135 at Derby. HIS plan however is irrelevant and he will go whatever weight his coach tells him he is going when he gets back.
_________________________
Tim Moeder - SJA


Would this be Coakley that decides?
Posted By: back in the day Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/05/10 05:51 PM
Mr Cokley is not the coach. Just a vocal promoter of all things wrestling whose son attends SJA.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Derby Matchups.... January 8-9 - 01/05/10 05:52 PM
Mike Medina is the SJA head coach.
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