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Posted By: wksfan2010 Regional Assignments - 11/28/11 07:29 PM
Does anyone know when they will be released? Do some of you already know if you're hosting a regional or not?

Thanks
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: Regional Assignments - 11/28/11 09:44 PM
Originally Posted By: wksfan2010
Does anyone know when they will be released? Do some of you already know if you're hosting a regional or not?

Thanks
I believe the intent is to release the Regional Assignments on December 01, 2011.
Posted By: wksfan2010 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/29/11 03:53 AM
Thanks. I'm surprised that some schools haven't come out and said they're hosting regionals yet. Maybe they haven't been contacted yet.
Posted By: back in the day Re: Regional Assignments - 11/29/11 01:54 PM
I remember a few years ago, I got a burr under my saddle because the regional assignments were not released for what seemed like ages. I am better now. it will all be good.
Posted By: GregMann Re: Regional Assignments - 11/29/11 06:22 PM
Pretty sure those schools being considered as Regional hosts have been or are being contacted. However, Regional assignments will not be released until all host sites have been secured.

You may remember a couple of years ago there was a LONG delay on announcing regional assignments due to several schools declining to host.

BTW, Norton has not been asked to host a 321A Regional this year. frown
Posted By: Travis V Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 01:32 PM
They are out.

http://www.kshsaa.org/Public/Wrestling/RegAssignments.cfm
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 01:43 PM
How are teams from Topeka in the same regional as Colby? Horrible splits this year. Who comes up with these?
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 02:00 PM
And let the bitching begin!
Posted By: jojo Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 02:00 PM
I hear you!! In the seven years going to regionals, starting with Tanner and ending with Konnor, i will have travelled 1526 miles just to get there. Double that mileage for the return trip!!
Posted By: wksfan2010 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 02:28 PM
I was surprised to see that they have TMP, Plainville, Stockton and P-burg going to Lakin, when they're nearby. The lines they've drawn are kinda odd this year.
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 02:54 PM
I'm not saying it's any easy job. It has to be hard to fit them all in but 4A basically has 4 regionals on the east side of the state. Since when is Topeka western Kansas? It's like they just took all the left overs and threw them in the Chapman regional. But seriously, whose job at KSHSAA is it to pick who goes where after sites are picked?
Posted By: Quagmire Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 03:05 PM
They probably just google it and see what school is closest for them to go to:

Colby to Chapman 3hrs 50mins
Colby to Spring Hill 6hrs 14mins
Colby to Mulvane 5hrs 4mins
Colby to Fort Scott 7hrs 14mins

Topeka to Chapman 1hr 17mins
Topeka to Spring Hill 1hr 23mins
Topeka to Mulvane 2hrs 35mins
Topeka to Fort Scott 2hrs 19mins
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 03:27 PM
More evenly weighted than in the past!

6A Regionals:

DERBY REGIONAL:
#2 Wichita Heights
#4 Derby
#5 Manhattan
#8 Junction City

GARDEN CITY REGIONAL:
#3 Garden City
#9 Wichita Northwest
#10 Dodge City

LAWRENCE REGIONAL:
#1 Lawrence
#7 Shawnee Mission East

GARDNER-EDGERTON REGIONAL:
#6 Gardner-Edgerton
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Quagmire
They probably just google it and see what school is closest for them to go to:

Colby to Chapman 3hrs 50mins
Colby to Spring Hill 6hrs 14mins
Colby to Mulvane 5hrs 4mins
Colby to Fort Scott 7hrs 14mins



Dang, sure makes Kansas seem big. I guess Chapman don't sound so bad now.
We have never had to drive farther than 2.5 hours for regional though and I feel bad.
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
More evenly weighted than in the past!

6A Regionals:

DERBY REGIONAL:
#2 Wichita Heights
#4 Derby
#5 Manhattan
#8 Junction City

GARDEN CITY REGIONAL
#3 Garden City
#9 Wichita Northwest
#10 Dodge City

LAWRENCE REGIONAL
#1 Lawrence
#7 Shawnee Mission East

GARDNER-EDGERTON REGIONAL
#6 Gardner-Edgerton


Yea I guess, if you consider 4 top tens in one regional and 1 in another "evenly weighted". smile
Plus Garden City also has Hutch and Maize which are probably like #11 and #12.
But you didn't say "evenly weighted" I know Chief, you said "more evenly weighted than in the past".
It's basically like every year in 6A, two "tough" regionals and two "weak" regionals.
5A looks more balanced this year though.
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:40 PM
What I meant to say was "not so tough". Pardon me.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:40 PM
5A Regionals:

EMPORIA REGIONAL:
#7 Shawnee Heights
#8 Emporia
#9 Lansing
#10 Topeka Seaman

SALINA SOUTH REGIONAL:
#2 Andover Central
#4 Newton
#6 Kapaun Mt.Carmel

ST. THOMAS AQUINAS REGIONAL:
#3 St. Thomas Aquinas

VALLEY CENTER REGIONAL:
#1 Arkansas City
#5 Goddard
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:53 PM
Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
I'm not saying it's any easy job. It has to be hard to fit them all in but 4A basically has 4 regionals on the east side of the state. Since when is Topeka western Kansas? It's like they just took all the left overs and threw them in the Chapman regional. But seriously, whose job at KSHSAA is it to pick who goes where after sites are picked?

Do you know if any school out west applied for a regional?
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 04:57 PM
4A Regionals:

CHAPMAN REGIONAL:
#5 Clay Center
#6 McPherson
#10 Colby

FORT SCOTT REGIONAL:
#2 Pittsburg
#4 Chanute

MULVANE REGIONAL:
#1 Andale
#8 Ulysses
#9 Hugoton

SPRING HILL:
#3 Bonner Springs
#7 Baldwin
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 05:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
5A Regionals:

EMPORIA REGIONAL:
#7 Shawnee Heights
#8 Emporia
#9 Lansing
#10 Topeka Seaman

SALINA SOUTH REGIONAL:
#2 Andover Central
#4 Newton
#6 Kapaun Mt.Carmel

ST. THOMAS AQUINAS REGIONAL:
#3 St. Thomas Aquinas

VALLEY CENTER REGIONAL:
#1 Arkansas City
#5 Goddard





Well, when you look at it like that, 5A doesn't look better balanced this year.
But at least the top 5 are not in the same regional though as in years past.
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 05:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
4A Regionals:

CHAPMAN REGIONAL:
#5 Clay Center
#6 McPherson
#10 Colby

FORT SCOTT REGIONAL:
#2 Pittsburg
#4 Chanute

MULVANE REGIONAL:
#1 Andale
#8 Ulysses
#9 Hugoton

SPRING HILL:
#3 Bonner Springs
#7 Baldwin


Hey, that looks pretty balanced. It looks like someone really put some thought into it.
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 05:40 PM
Sportsfan,

I know that part can be difficult. It was just a couple of years ago there was a delay simply because KSHSAA couldn't find a school to host. But now that I look at the location of the 4A schools, there really are not a lot of 4A schools out west. It was kind of shocking to me. I feel bad for the Colby kids and parents that have to travel so much but I guess that's just how it worked out this year (or from what Kriss is saying, every year). So for all intents and purposes Topeka is western Kansas this year.
Posted By: DOUG MOORE Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 05:41 PM
Actually, in 4A, the split between east and west is 75 highway which runs through Topeka. There are 32 teams east of the highway and 32 teams west.
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 05:47 PM
That in itself is interesting to me that the dividing line is so far east. Good info.
Posted By: back in the day Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 06:30 PM
The "Trans-Miss West" begins at about that line. In the settler days East of that line, life is close to the same as Ohio and Indiana. But West of that line life is completely different. No trees, no water, different weather patterns. Lots of eastern folk didnt make it out west. The smart ones improvised and thrived.

Posted By: MAS Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 06:33 PM
Originally Posted By: ksuwrestling2
Sportsfan,

I know that part can be difficult. It was just a couple of years ago there was a delay simply because KSHSAA couldn't find a school to host. But now that I look at the location of the 4A schools, there really are not a lot of 4A schools out west. It was kind of shocking to me. I feel bad for the Colby kids and parents that have to travel so much but I guess that's just how it worked out this year (or from what Kriss is saying, every year). So for all intents and purposes Topeka is western Kansas this year.

2007 Regional Pratt 3.5 hours from Colby
2008 Regional Clearwater can't hardly get there from Colby
2009 Regional Ulysses 3 hours from Colby
2010 Regional Pratt see above
2011 Regional Concordia 3 hours from Colby

When you live in the sticks Travel is expected. Football District is Concordia, Clay Center, and Goodland.
At least we got running water and Electricity with in the last few years. Shoot! we used have to make these trips by horseback or covered wagon. Them there buses are high class.
Posted By: Quagmire Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 07:15 PM
Originally Posted By: XGHSWC
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
4A Regionals:

CHAPMAN REGIONAL:
#5 Clay Center
#6 McPherson
#10 Colby

FORT SCOTT REGIONAL:
#2 Pittsburg
#4 Chanute

MULVANE REGIONAL:
#1 Andale
#8 Ulysses
#9 Hugoton

SPRING HILL:
#3 Bonner Springs
#7 Baldwin


Hey, that looks pretty balanced. It looks like someone really put some thought into it.


Chapman also has Abilene and Concordia which are some pretty salty teams as well.
Fort Scott has Paola, Louisburg, and Prarie View. Those 3 teams could shake things up at that regional. I remember Paola had a really good regional tournament last year.
Mulvane South has Mulvane and El Dorado. El Dorado could possibly make some noise this year.
Spring Hill has Saint James, Spring Hill, and Tonganoxie. Spring Hill has some sleepers on their team. Tongie has a lot of kids returning this year. Saint James is creeping up on the top ten in 4a.

Chapman:
3 total ranked teams:
#5 Clay Center
#6 McPherson
#10 Colby
18 total ranked wrestlers
#1- 3 (number of ranked wrestlers at that spot)
#2- 4
#3- 4
#4- 3
#5- 2
#6- 2
Side note: 4 weight classes with 0 ranked wrestlers (106, 132, 145, and 182). 4 ranked wrestlers at 120 (#1, #2, #3, and #6).

Fort Scott:
2 total ranked teams:
#2 Pittsburg
#4 Chanute
21 total ranked wrestlers:
#1- 4
#2- 2
#3- 5
#4- 4
#5- 2
#6- 4
Side note: 3 weight classes with 0 ranked wrestlers (120, 152, 195).

Mulvane:
3 total ranked teams:
#1 Andale
#8 Ulysses
#9 Hugoton
26 total ranked wrestlers:
#1- 4
#2- 4
#3- 3
#4- 3
#5- 5
#6- 7
Side note: only 1 weight class with 0 ranked wrestlers (120). 152 has the #3, #4, #5, and #6 ranked wrestlers.

Spring Hill:
2 total ranked teams:
#3 Bonner Springs
#7 Baldwin
19 total ranked wrestlers:
#1- 3
#2- 4
#3- 2
#4- 4
#5- 5
#6- 1
Side note: 1 weight class with 0 ranked wrestlers (138).

I would say right now Mulvane is the toughest 4a regional. The next 3 are pretty much tied up as far as toughness goes. Fort Scott looks slightly tougher than the other 2. I would out Chapman and Spring Hill at a tie. Chapman has more ranked teams, but Spring Hill has more ranked kids. Chapman has 4 weight classes that are wide open, but Spring Hill only has 1 ranked kid in a majority of their weight classes.

However, since the season is just getting started you can't really say which regional is toughest yet. The stats above will change plenty before we get to regionals!
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 11/30/11 07:45 PM
I guess Sims doesn't mind the drive as much as Kriss...well, the dividing line may be highway 75 but it feels like I-70 this year. No more east/west. Now it's north and south. What are we, Florida?
Posted By: Crossface King Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 12:29 AM
As I always say to our wrestlers, all they need to do is beat the man who steps on the mat with them. Do not worry about rankings, regional assignments, or who is at what weight. Focus should only be on training hard with precision technique and wrestling one match at a time.
Posted By: PurpleDad Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 12:49 AM
Not sure if we even tried to host......but Pittsburg...in the recent past being the only 5A in the area, we have traveled long distances, Ark City last year, Wichita area the two prior years, always at least 2 hours if not 3.

I thought we would of had a chance to host, We moved to 4A, have never hosted....that I know of. But no complaining here, Ft.Scott is only 30 miles away, get to sleep in own bed.
Posted By: back in the day Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 02:38 PM
Gardner has wanted to host for several years- asked but for what ever reason other 5A schools were selected.

Great to host our first 6A regional. It will be a well run tournament.
Posted By: tomahawkwrestler Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 03:41 PM
Every place that hosts has a mats and stands so what is the difference. Distance doesn't have much factor. Just show up and wrestle. No excuses.
Posted By: ksuwrestling2 Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 04:23 PM
Says the guy who is probably traveling 5 minutes to a regional.
Posted By: C. Morgan Re: Regional Assignments - 12/01/11 06:14 PM
I feel your pain...I have a 6 hour trip to Irish country for regionals. If the weather cooperates this year, the following week my trip to State will be ~7 hrs. I would drive farther if I had to.

Is this a good time to start the state tournament under one roof thread? I would love it if the KS wrestling powers would terminate their contracts all over the state and wrestle one big show in Topeka. That's a short drive for me at 6 hrs.
Posted By: Chiefs Re: Regional Assignments - 12/02/11 04:53 PM

Ellis and TMP got the shaft in 321A. They both have to travel close to 3 hrs to Lakin when Russell is also hosting and about 30 to 45 min drive.

Doesn't look like the Russell regional took any teams West of them except Kensington-Thunder Ridge.

Hell even Plainville is closer to Russell than Smith Center. Nature of the Beast I guess.

Gonna be another tough regional out West!
Posted By: Charger1 Re: Regional Assignments - 12/02/11 06:34 PM
Richard- I think the last time Pitt hosted regional-1988.
Posted By: fragged91 Re: Regional Assignments - 12/03/11 03:56 AM
Lansing has to pass Aquinas on it's way to Emporia. It will definitely help Aquinas qualify more for state.
Posted By: PurpleDad Re: Regional Assignments - 12/03/11 04:10 AM
Originally Posted By: Charger1
Richard- I think the last time Pitt hosted regional-1988.


I'd say we are due. smile
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: Regional Assignments - 12/03/11 09:45 AM
Originally Posted By: fragged91
Lansing has to pass Aquinas on it's way to Emporia. It will definitely help Aquinas qualify more for state.

The guys that qualify for state for Aquinas will qualify because they are good enough to qualify. With an outstanding program like Lansing, I am sure the same can be said, regardless of where they wrestle.
Posted By: fragged91 Re: Regional Assignments - 12/05/11 02:54 AM

I get the message and it sounds good. I'm sure Aquinas and Lansing both have guys who would qualify no matter what regional they were in.

What I'm saying is that based on the team rankings, the Aquinas regional has only 1 ranked team while the others have many, up to 4. If Aquinas has ANY varsity wrestlers that aren't ranked, they would theoretically be more likely to qualify out of that regional. If Aquinas has ranked wrestlers, it's probably less likely the could be upset. It's not a negative statement. It's no different than saying Basehor is a tough tournament to place in, while another tourn typically may not be.

It also doesn't make sense that Lansing would go to Emporia vs Aquinas if distance or balance were considered.
Posted By: schroeder Re: Regional Assignments - 12/05/11 01:24 PM
There is always "it doesnt make sense assignments". 6A has them as well. You have 6 of the 6 schools within 45 min of each other but all 6 of themhave to drive 3-4 hrs to Garden City. Haysville-Campus could drive less than 10 min to Derby..but they going to Garden. There will never be a perfect system. But I think they can come up with a better solution. Esp since every school district is trying to find ways to cut budgets..and the state cutting back funding to schools. Then they state makes more schools travel..in this case in 6A 2 regionlas..they have 6 of the 8 schools traveling multiple hours to another location. When they could have had the 2 schools travel instead of 6. I know if you look through them all I bet there is alot that way.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: Regional Assignments - 12/05/11 01:33 PM
But again, one of those schools driving those distances HAS to apply to host a regional! If they don't, and there is good reason not to, then you can hardly blame who was chosen from those that applied.
Posted By: Thompson Re: Regional Assignments - 12/05/11 02:34 PM
Originally Posted By: schroeder
There is always "it doesnt make sense assignments". 6A has them as well. You have 6 of the 6 schools within 45 min of each other but all 6 of themhave to drive 3-4 hrs to Garden City. Haysville-Campus could drive less than 10 min to Derby..but they going to Garden. There will never be a perfect system. But I think they can come up with a better solution. Esp since every school district is trying to find ways to cut budgets..and the state cutting back funding to schools. Then they state makes more schools travel..in this case in 6A 2 regionlas..they have 6 of the 8 schools traveling multiple hours to another location. When they could have had the 2 schools travel instead of 6. I know if you look through them all I bet there is alot that way.


I don't think it matters if the schools going to a Regional like Garden City reside close to each other as Garden City is assigned the Regional, so it is not Garden's fault that they live 3 plus hours from Wichita. When Colby and Garden City don't host Regionals they will have to travel quite a bit to get where they are going. Every team's idea of a long trip is different too. It is all about perspective. Garden City, Colby, Ulysses, Goodland, Dodge City and other teams like these travel several hours to get to any Regional site unless they are hosting. Other schools travel an hour from one of the major cities in Kansas and feel like they have been screwed over on travel time. Perspective.

That being said, I don't think concerns about budgets apply when we get to Regional time. I am pretty sure most teams would travel across the state as far as they need to (one time for Regionals) if they can get a fair shot at making it to State. The Regionals in 4A look pretty fair this year. I think to alleviate issues, it would be easiest to split up the top 8 teams into the different regionals and then the rest could be set up by actual geography.
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