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Posted By: Mike Carey 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/15/12 11:39 PM
Grapevine has it seeding meeting is tonight(wed), when will brackets be available for public veiwing & where can we find them? Will there be any websites or wifi hook-ups while at the tounament, that fans are able follow with? Thanks! P.S, GO CHIEFTAINS( TONGANOXIE);!! Coach Goebal thanks your time and hard work!! It definetly has been fun watching the team!
Posted By: Coach Davies Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 03:59 AM
http://www.thewrestlingtourney.com/prn-bracket.php
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 05:24 AM
Only 8 132 pounders? Perry-LeCompton has 5 wrestlers...
Posted By: Mike Carey Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 02:51 PM
Brackets not coming up for me. Workin for anyone else?
Posted By: badbo Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 02:54 PM
Nope. They lock up my computer.
Posted By: westwrestling Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 03:00 PM
Me too.


Here it is

http://www.thewrestlingtourney.com/pub-select-tourney.php
Posted By: powercat1 Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 03:01 PM
easiest to go here,

http://thewrestlingtourney.com/pub-select-tourney.php

then scroll down to spring hill, click the arms on the left, then under reports in the top right click brackets
Posted By: back in the day Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 03:21 PM
Oh my, NOT ONE full bracket at Spring Hill!

What is the world coming to in 4A?
Posted By: Vandeventer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 05:02 PM
If they get any of the brackets full with only 15 teams there, I will freak out! That would be something.
Posted By: Mike Carey Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 05:03 PM
That works. Thanks
Posted By: back in the day Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 06:27 PM
Let me restate: There is not ONE weight class with 15 wrestlers!

How is that?
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 06:38 PM
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Posted By: Vandeventer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 06:53 PM
That is fine and not surprising.
Posted By: back in the day Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 07:01 PM
fine and Not surprising?

Time for some changes!
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 07:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
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Originally Posted By: back in the day
Oh my, NOT ONE full bracket at Spring Hill!

What is the world coming to in 4A?


Yea, so much for the whole 3A/4A is so much tougher than 5A/6A thing because of these monster 2 day regionals with these monster 16 man brackets.
Posted By: Vandeventer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 08:06 PM
Changes would be great. Cut it back to 12 weight classes. Shorter tournaments, better competition, schools like mine that have 300 kids can compete with other 4A schools that have 500-700. I am all for changes. Get it done if you can.
Posted By: D.W. Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 11:11 PM
Finally, someone brings up the real discrepancy in high school. Too many weight classes, and uneven weight classes. We have a few weights in the middle that are insane, and then we have, lets just say "other ones". 14 is a big number.
Posted By: ReDPloyd Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/16/12 11:40 PM
Too many weight classes is not the problem. If we could get more kids involved during the Kids' Federation season, then more would wrestle in high school and we would see less open weight classes.

I also understand the challenge of keeping them wrestling. Just because you start at a young age, it doesn't automatically mean that you will continue into your high school years. Why do kids drop out of wrestling if they start at an early age? Some aren't cut out for the sport, others burn out, and others choose to do something different. The key is, get more kids to experiment at an early age, and even with the ones that wash out for one reason or another, you will have more wrestling in high school.
Posted By: Vandeventer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 03:25 AM
More kids wrestling would be great. Send them to Junior Varsity tournaments to get ready to wrestle varsity. 12 weight classes would still make the competition better and shorten up tournaments.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 11:26 AM
Originally Posted By: back in the day
fine and Not surprising?

Time for some changes!


Incent the teams to bring full rosters...

In my opinion the scoring is not fair if we are really going to use an individual tournament to declare a team champion. In these regionals there should only be ONE BYE and the rest should be declared OPEN. What does this mean? You draw in the teams OPEN WEIGHTS just like unseeded wrestlers. If a SJA wrestler draws an OPEN instead of the single BYE he is awarded two advancement points and two bonus points just like a fall, just like it happens in a dual. It is CRAP that teams are denied a chance to earn bonus points because coaches don't walk the hallways and pull in the participants. Being a wrestling coach isn't usually a single hat job. You have to be a fund raiser, marketer, counselor, parent advisor, teacher abiter, etc. Seriously though, there is NO REASON a 4A school cannot field 10 wrestlers at a minimum. The schools in the metro areas are confronted with lots of other options and imo most of the kids are getting soft and their parents are letting them but that is where being a good salesman comes into play.
Posted By: Kit Harris Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 11:36 AM
That is a really good idea (pts for an open, like a dual). It would require a NF change. It should be a proposal
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 01:54 PM
Yes, totally agree.
Reward teams that get kids out and kids that are there.
Punish teams whos coaches don't do enough to get kids out.

Totally agree that coaches are and should be responsible for a lot more than just instructing at practices and supervising at competitions, at least I sure was from what I remember.

Of course, most coaches know they wear many hats and do. But I do agree many could and should do more to get more kids out and fill all the weights.
Posted By: Mike Carey Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 03:25 PM
Just wanted to verify, start time is 1pm?
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 04:28 PM
Semi-Finals are at 6PM.
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 07:44 PM
One suggestion:

TRACKWRESTLING.COM
Posted By: Purple_Freak Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 07:48 PM
Completely agree! Can not believe that it is not a requirement that all the Regionals be on trackwrestling.
Posted By: Bender Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 08:23 PM
Thewrestlingtourney.com should be banned from usage for posting results. It has been so terrible for navigating.
Posted By: Jake Goldenstein Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 08:37 PM
At least your regional manager is "attempting" to post updates!
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 09:25 PM
I have never seen a more pathetic site than wrestling tourney.
Posted By: smokeycabin Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 09:57 PM
YIKES!


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Posted By: Bender Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/17/12 11:16 PM
I think from now on, we should pick sites that are use to having more than 10 page views a day. I think we crashed their server.
Posted By: Yinzer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 02:44 AM
What a flat out joke. Who made this decision. You should be embarrassed. It is called Trackwrestling.
Posted By: westwrestling Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 03:37 AM
I bet it works great in July
Posted By: Bender Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 08:45 PM
Anyone there, can we get some updates?
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 09:19 PM
Thunder rolls on the backside!! We have 10 of 11 going on to state. Two 3rds so far. Sneaking up on Bonner Springs! Only one Sr so we are going to be really tough next year. Just have to keep those pesky public schools from recruiting them! smile
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 09:21 PM
Fortney wins too, so 3 3rds.
Posted By: Lucas Baker Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 09:33 PM
Tell that to Mcpherson Colby is smoking them at the moment.
Originally Posted By: XGHSWC
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
106 - 9
120 - 11
126 - 11
132 - 8
160 - 11
170 - 10
182 - 11


Originally Posted By: back in the day
Oh my, NOT ONE full bracket at Spring Hill!

What is the world coming to in 4A?


Yea, so much for the whole 3A/4A is so much tougher than 5A/6A thing because of these monster 2 day regionals with these monster 16 man brackets.
Posted By: L.Geyer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/18/12 10:04 PM
is there a live feed to ths tourn?
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 01:51 AM
Has a coach ever won regionals three years in a row without getting regional coach of the year? No offense to Coach Goebel but Tongie finished more than 20 points behind SJA. Thats three years in a row SJA has won regionals but the coaches continue to disrespect a brilliant effort by Mike Medina. He lost 6 seniors and a state qualifier who jumped ship to a public school. He lost seven state championships and a state finalist. This year he took four returning starters and put together a line up with one senior, three juniors, four sophomores, and two freshmen and won regionals for the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW. What does it take? Six of the eleven wrestlers who started today had NEVER set foot on a wrestling mat until they came to Saint James Academy. Many, many of the wrestlers who placed for other teams have spent more time working on SJA mats than most of the SJA wrestlers but the coaches choose to disrespect Coach Medina. Everyone of you who didn't vote for him today should look in the mirror and be ashamed of yourselves! If it is private school bias, grow up! SJA was 30 points out of first this morning and won all but two matches today to qualify 10 kids for state and won the tournament!! Yea, it is about the kids but they would like to see their coach honored. And speaking of the kids... Trent Salsbury beat three of the top 5 ranked kids at 171 today. He was seeded fifth and won it but wasn't OW?!? Why should I be surprised, it takes a miracle and vote by the Pope to get a SJA wrestler named OW at a tournament where the coaches vote.
Posted By: L.Geyer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 02:06 AM
Any results?
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 02:18 AM
106 Reese Cokeley 1st
113 Zak Hensley 1st
132 Andrew Tujague 3rd
138 Ben Vanlenberg 3rd
145 Matt Pratt 2nd
152 Logan Fortney 3rd
171 Trent Salsbury 1st
182 Andy Meuhlberger 3rd
220 Darin Feist 3rd
285 David Feist 3rd

Saint James Academy 194
Bonner Springs 180.5
Tongie 170
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 03:20 AM
Originally Posted By: Lucas Baker
Tell that to Mcpherson Colby is smoking them at the moment.
Originally Posted By: XGHSWC
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
106 - 9
120 - 11
126 - 11
132 - 8
160 - 11
170 - 10
182 - 11


Originally Posted By: back in the day
Oh my, NOT ONE full bracket at Spring Hill!

What is the world coming to in 4A?


Yea, so much for the whole 3A/4A is so much tougher than 5A/6A thing because of these monster 2 day regionals with these monster 16 man brackets.


Keep in mind that McPherson was 15th last year at state.
And not sure how that has anything to do with what I was talking about.
Posted By: Lucas Baker Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 05:08 AM
MCP is currently ranked second Colby 4th mcp is new to 4a and it is a different ball game. I looked through the Emporia results once again 5a has kids and a lot of them with losing records at state. Plus emporia had a few 4 man brackets its just a joke. its really sad we have let this go on for so long.
Posted By: Yinzer Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 05:13 AM
Was at the SH Regional and they can be proud of the way they hosted the tournament. One thought... please don't start to rolling up the mats when there are still HW kids wrestling for third place. Those kids work every bit as hard as any other wrestler out there. It may not be as exciting to watch but those kids earned the right to to be respected. Otherwise GREAT job.
Posted By: XGHSWC Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 06:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Lucas Baker
MCP is currently ranked second Colby 4th mcp is new to 4a and it is a different ball game. I looked through the Emporia results once again 5a has kids and a lot of them with losing records at state. Plus emporia had a few 4 man brackets its just a joke. its really sad we have let this go on for so long.


Pittsburg is new to your ball game as well and they won their regional.
Posted By: Rford Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/19/12 08:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Yinzer
Was at the SH Regional and they can be proud of the way they hosted the tournament. One thought... please don't start to rolling up the mats when there are still HW kids wrestling for third place. Those kids work every bit as hard as any other wrestler out there. It may not be as exciting to watch but those kids earned the right to to be respected. Otherwise GREAT job.


Good point

....and there were some very good matches and great effort from the big boys at Spring Hill this weekend.
Posted By: Mike Carey Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/20/12 01:51 AM
Will, just wondering what the team score would have been had we used the criteria listed on 2/17/12 6:26 a,m post?
Posted By: Cokeley Re: 4A at Spring Hill !! - 02/20/12 03:10 AM
Originally Posted By: Mike Carey
Will, just wondering what the team score would have been had we used the criteria listed on 2/17/12 6:26 a,m post?


Great question. I don't want to spend the time figuring it out. I will tell you that SJA only had 4 first round matches. Seven of our wrestlers had byes including all four of our finalists. We didn't leave any warm bodies at home.
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