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Posted By: The Nova Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 02:29 AM
Sounds like it got pretty rowdy between these two crowds over the weekend. We should've had a battle royal between the two. I even heard reports of WATER being tossed at each other. It's a good thing I wasn't there. Someone throws water at me and I'll go Ron Artest on ya! But that is beside the point. Anyone have any good stories from the feud between these two crowds?
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 05:45 AM
I was sitting with some of the refs during the finals on the floor when one of those 2 teams started blasting air horns. The announcer came on and said they would be thrown out and the crowd from 4a down to 6a errupted in cheers, it was funny.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 06:57 AM
Goodland is still mad at Abilene because we beat them by 1 point to win state my sophmore year.
Posted By: The Nova Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 02:49 PM
I remember that Nigel. That's when Austin Devoe blew the lead he had against Tovar, and that win put Abilene over the mark against them.
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 02:59 PM
You bet Nigel. That is exactly what it is. I heard several Goodland fans yelling, "**** you Abilene, you beat us by a point when Nigel was a sophomore!" The Goodland fans even spelled sophomore correctly on their infamous "We will never forget Nigel's sophomore year" signs.
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 03:03 PM
Just so everyone knows the **** was a four letter word, but it was not THE four letter word. The word I typed that was edited by the computer was the less appropriate spelling of the word Dam. Just wanted everyone to know that I'm not that vulgar.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 03:18 PM
Get em Rick!
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 06:14 PM
Come on now Rick even you know I was joking about that. But in the unlikely situation that this event wasn't what upset them, maybe it was because of the year before we beat them by one point where they slightly edged Columbus for the state title, but Columbus was made so they rushed down to where the team pictures are taken for the program book the next year and told the guy they got first. So the next year in the state book, it showed the Columbus team as the Champions instead of Goodland! I would have been mad too.
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 06:20 PM
I was joking too Nigel!!

Also, I was down on the floor most of the weekend, but it seemed to me that both towns had great crowds that gave their teams great support. I would say it appears that there are more hard feelings between the Clay Center and Abilene fans than between Goodland and Abilene.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by RJW:
I was joking too Nigel!!

Also, I was down on the floor most of the weekend, but it seemed to me that both towns had great crowds that gave their teams great support. I would say it appears that there are more hard feelings between the Clay Center and Abilene fans than between Goodland and Abilene.
The hard feelings probably stem from the Hwt debacle this year with Palmer showing up conveniently and not being cleared to wrestle the dual.
Posted By: The Nova Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 08:28 PM
Nigel is wrong! It was Ulysses that jumped down there and got in the program after Goodland won in 1997. I got the program sitting right here in front of me. So it was no dirty Columbus trick, they know their role, that role usually being a 2nd or 3rd place team. Ulysses got 2nd in 1997 and ended up in the program. I remember in 1998 they even gave out inserts to the Goodland fans for them to put in over the Ulysses picture. I don't think Ulysses purposely tried to get in the program, because usually the 2nd and 3rd place teams get there picture taken as well. So I think it was just a case of bad editing for the program. There are loads of errors in the program each year. I remember one year Dustin Tovar even got listed as being from Mulvane for his state title picture.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 09:04 PM
Oops my bad I guess, I kept thinking it was Columbus that was in the picture that was 8 years ago though, and I never kept the program.

I've got no hard feelings against Clay Center, its a good rivalry, now Chapman on the other hand.....
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 09:13 PM
There were errors this year like Bah instead on Bahe under his state champion picture. Another had the names of two of the champs mixed up. Last year they had the previous year's 215 bracket for 4A in the program. As my high school English teacher always said edit, edit, edit, then have someone else edit, edit, edit.
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 09:13 PM
There were errors this year like Bah instead of Bahe under his state champion picture. Another had the names of two of the champs mixed up. Last year they had the previous year's 215 bracket for 4A in the program. As my high school English teacher always said edit, edit, edit, then have someone else edit, edit, edit.
Posted By: RJW Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 09:14 PM
See my edit. Someone else want to check it out for me?
Posted By: The Nova Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 09:27 PM
Rick, I am an English major, and I have to say, that everything in your post looks good.
Posted By: Big Fan Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 10:24 PM
It was Abilene who had the air horns.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 10:41 PM
I wonder who from Abilene it was? I'll have to ask around and find out.
Posted By: MATT-FAN Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 10:57 PM
it was an abilene fan that threw water on my mom and she is 69 years old, because goodland was cheering against the abilene kids. that takes a big man to do that. what about abilenes heavy weight i want to know the story on him from what i heard he has not been in abilene for very long and the stories i heard sounds illegal to me. the actions of there wrestlers on the mat explains the actiions of there fans , doing fips on the mat after they win. by the way congrats to clay center on there championship they are a class team that reflects there class coaches , they go out and wrestle with no show boating and there fans are classy to. i wonder who paid the ref in the peterson vs. deeds match what a ***** call. PS. all you have to do is listen to what team gets the BOOS from other towns when there kid is wrestling and that would be ABILENE!!
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 11:10 PM
Coach,

What exactly aren't you claiming about him being "illegal" He switched schools which is perfectly within a kids right to do. A majority of his family is in Abilene, his brother who I wrestled with was killed by a drunk driver last year, and if he wants to wrestle there that is his choice. He sat out the entire first half of the season as per KSHSAA rules which is why "he not been in abilene for very long" he was certified and legal through KSHSAA or he would not have been wrestling at all, trust me I know.

You claims of monetary compensation for the Peterson match are extremly stupid as well. You want to come on here and talk about class and so on and so forth, and here you are making libelous claims against two high school kids, yeah you are a real big man. And your mom got some water tossed on her? Big freakin deal, being from Abilene myself I know there are a few people that do some stupid things, but Abilene is not the only town with those type of people. And if getting a little wet from H20 is the worst possible thing to happen, then my god you'd better get away from the sport because I have seen things 10 times worse than that done and said from other towns in our state.

Don't stereotype and entire town and wreslting team just because of a few unruly fans, I can assure you whatever one team gives, the other team gives right back. If something was going on up in the stands it wasn't a one sided thing.
Posted By: MATT-FAN Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 11:19 PM
nigel you sound as intelegent as you always do. i need no evidence for you all you need to do is listen to the people talk at the tournament about abilene, and NO i won't keep my mouth shut. you must have an IQ of H2O.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 11:22 PM
Well I guess I don't have to question your "intelegent" behavior.
Posted By: MATT-FAN Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 11:23 PM
no you don't thank you!
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/01/05 11:29 PM
I guess I just assumed that an INTELLIGENT person wouldn't make false claims just to try and berate someone. I don't feel like arguing about this with you, I think you've pretty much shown what you are all about all by yourself. Congratulations.

By the way if your mom needs a towel I'll be glad to buy her a brand new one and overnight it to her, as an appology on behalf of the good people of Abilene who weren't throwing water.
Posted By: chewbacca Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 12:24 AM
can you send it to me instead Nigel? i could always use another good towel.
Posted By: Big Fan Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 12:24 AM
I think that it is really bad when you are throwing water on a 69 year old lady. Security was called up to the Abliene sections 3 or 4 times. I understand backing your school but throwing water on a older lady is stupid. Nigel I can see that you apology is heartfelt. I don't agree with T-coach/dad for attacking 2 kids just because he is mad at some bad fans. The whole thing seems stupid to me. Fans need to realize that your representing your town and a few bad ones can affect the whole town.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 01:13 AM
Big Fan,

I just got off the phone with a really good friend of mine who is a third party to this whole situaiton who was sitting there and witnessed the whole thing. The state tournament is the only one he goes to every year so he has nothing vested in swaying a story to one side or another. I also found out who it was that threw the water, and I was competly surprised becuase this particular person coaches a college wrestling team. In any case from what I have heard, this 69 year old lady was not as innocent as her son would have everyone believe. In fact from what I have heard now from several people, is that she could not keep her comments about anything to herself and was in fact baggering part of the Abilene crowd, especially after Matt Rein lost his match. Now I understand how the Goodland crowd probably felt after having being 1 upped in the team by Abilene once again which is nothing new. But to sit there and purposely try to incite emotions from a team sitting next to you, its very immature. As I said earlier there isn't an excuse for the water throwing event, but it sounds like she got what was comming to her since she couldn't act like a 69 year old and keep her negative comments to herself.

I am totally disgusted with the display by a few of the Abilene faithful, I am even more disgusted by the way that someone would come on here and try to defend someone as if they were innocent, when in fact it was them causing the problem. Grow up people, geez.
Posted By: MATT-FAN Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 01:43 AM
nigel grow up your so called source is totally false if it is a source more than likely it is just you looking in the mirror, that accusation is totally false shame on you for accusing her of that , but if it makes you feel your right than power to you, so clean up the smudges on your mirror AND GROW UP!!!
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 01:52 AM
As I said before this person is not and has not ever been a member of the Abilene wrestling team, he is simply a spectator who happened to be sitting next to the two people involved in the situation. But you are going to sit there and say that someone did absolutely nothing wrong? Come on any reasonable person who reads this forum knows that people arguments don't just happen because of one person. Ever hear the phrase, "It takes two to tango?" Well I am relatively sure that the water thrower in question didn't just decide that they were bored, and that it was time to throw some water, especially at someone who never uttered a word to them. Bottom line, representatives from both teams acted inappropriately, I have apologized on behalf of our fans because I recognized their wrongs. I have a feeling no such apology will come from the other side, as they have made it pretty clear that they think they didn't do anything wrong, but clearly everyone else knows that not to be the case.
Posted By: dbedore Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:07 AM
Nigel,
Just because a 69 year old lady says a few unkind words gives a MAN the right to throw water at her???????? Come on Nigel. Could that not be construed as assault?
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:15 AM
I don't think a "few" would probably be the right reference here. From the sounds of things, there was a lot of words said between both sides before any water was thrown. But while im on the subject does that mean that everytime someone splashes someone at the pool they should be brought up on charges? For the last time, I don't condone what happened, but I honestly believe that alot more was said from the other side to invoke this, I've also got to believe that these words were said out of spite because one team was leading the other.
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:21 AM
Not to interupt the fight, but who cares who was leading who? they were fighting for 2nd & 3rd anyway.... besides just let it go, it's over
Posted By: dbedore Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:29 AM
I don't care how many "wrods" were exchanged. It still does not give anyone(I don't care which side you are on)the right to throw anything. Wrestlers are supposed to be known for their mental toughness, what happened here?

Nigel, we know you were not there, so maybe you are not getting the full story. Maybe if you were there the incident might not have happened.

I was there and my son was trying to protect the woman who was getting pelted with not just water but ice also.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:37 AM
I wish I could have been there, but I was officiating elsewhere. The only reason I commented in this forum was because some people were trying to make it sound like this was just a one sided thing when it was not. Everyone involved was responsible. This happens every freaking year between these teams, and it really makes me wonder why Goodland always sits next to Abilene. Hopefully next year at Salina the two teams can find room, preferably on opposite sides of the Bi-Center, and this crap won't happen.

By the way Alex, at the time of this incident there was still a statistical posibility of Abilene winning 1st, so your comment was not quite right.
Posted By: dbedore Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:48 AM
I agree that it is not one sided but I have also seen firsthand the Abilene crowd in a volleyball match at state last year when my daughter was playing against Abilene. The match had to be stopped a couple of times because of rude comments that came from the Abilene crowd. The official had to go over several times to reprimand them.

Abilene has a good fan base and they support their teams but some fans get out of control.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:51 AM
And so does every other crowd in the state, don't just pin it on them, as an official I have witnessed crowds from 90% of this state, and there is always a few bad apples from each.
Posted By: dbedore Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 03:06 AM
Agree with you there. Maybe next year someone in Salina will do their homework and separate these two teams. But in my 12 years as a volleyball coach that was the first time I had ever seen a match held up because of a crowd's behavior.

Barb Bedore
Posted By: wrestlingfan_05 Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 03:13 AM
I am from Abilene and I was setting there the whole time while all of this was going on and personally I thought it was pretty dang funny. Goodland and Abilene have never gotten along and they never will. Who cares if Goodland wants to complain about something so stupid as airhorns. I don't believe that the airhorns were hurting anyone and it wasn't like they were making a scene with them during the actual wrestling, it was while everyone was waiting for finals to begin. Goodland just needs to remember about that Abilene will ALWAYS be one step ahead of them!!
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 03:17 AM
Well now I wouldn't go that far, rememebr we've only come into our own in the last 10 years.
Posted By: The Nova Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 03:42 AM
Everyone is making some good points. Nigel makes one, because he feels like we're pinning bad behavior by fans only on Abilene and we definitely should not do that. Everyone that has posted from Goodland made valid points as well. Maybe these two teams need to bury the hatchet, because it's a pointless feud for two teams so far away from each other.

If someone says something bad about your team, just let it go. It's no big deal when someone tells you they don't like your team, because I believe what those kids do on the mat speaks for itself. Rooting against another team when your team has no one in the match is uncalled for in wrestling. Just concentrate on your own kids. You don't need to root out-loud at great length against another team, just because their crowd might not be overly friendly to you.

Goodland has been better than Abilene some years and Abilene has been better than Goodland some years. That's what competition is all about. Just drop this crap and leave each other alone. Some year when they both suck no one will care about the other and it will be like it should be now. You get what I'm saying?

P.S. No offense here Nigel, but I'm waiting for your two cents, because I know you'll have em. You always do.
Posted By: Prant Garker Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 04:30 AM
Actually, Nigel, you're wrong again. (As always.)

There are no bad apples in the Manhattan crowd. Duh.
Posted By: chewbacca Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 04:53 AM
With all the talk of throwing water at a woman and what cheerleaders were the ugliest, i'm glad to know that chivalry is still alive and kicking at state.
Posted By: Big Fan Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 04:55 AM
Like I said people need to remember when they are at an event like this one they are representing their town and how they act is how they will see the whole town. Both sides are not innocent. They are both at fault.
Posted By: Big Fan Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 04:56 AM
How they act is how people will see the whole town.
Posted By: L Grater Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 01:53 PM
Drop the subject! The actions of wrestlers and fans speak for themselves no matter where they are from and nothing more needs to be said.

Purposely throwing water on anyone is uncalled for and is not good sportsmanship. As President of our booster club and from what our cheerleading sponsor has told me the past couple years, that type of airhorn and megaphones directed at the floor (participants) are illegal in this type of competition.

By the way Goodland, I'm sure you will be welcome to sit by Clay Center next year.

Congrats to all the Class 4A State Champions and Placers. Let's drop the subject, grow up, and ALL work on our sportsmanship (set a good example for the ones that will be following).

Leanna Grater
Posted By: monty0604 Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:21 PM
Yeah. I like Goodland boys. Abilene boys are nice too though.
Posted By: The Nova Re: Goodland Crowd vs. Abilene Crowd - 03/02/05 02:34 PM
llg has officially said it best
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