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Posted By: KCWrestlersMom R.J. Nill - 01/30/04 08:16 PM
Sad news. R.J. Nill had a torn meniscus. He had surgery today, they were able to successfully repair it. He will be on crutches three to four weeks, but unfortunately will be out for the season. He should be able to return to normal sports activities in three to four months.

Best wishes to R.J. for a speedy recovery, and congratulations on his great season!
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: R.J. Nill - 01/30/04 09:27 PM
What school and weight did he compete at on the season? What year in school is he currently? Sad to hear about the tear...I tore my acl and I was having a great season at the time I did it. Get well soon R.J.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: R.J. Nill - 01/30/04 10:25 PM
R. J. was having a super freshman season at 112 lbs. for St. Thomas Aquinas.
Posted By: LancerM Re: R.J. Nill - 01/30/04 10:29 PM
I think he was around 24-0 going into the Blue Valley NW tournament this weekend. He lost two matches to spectacular kids and finished fourth.
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 01/31/04 03:02 AM
thats a long time for a menescus tear, i had a complete tear and was back in a week, a coach i had, had the same thing and was wrestling a dual 4 days later. i think maybe he should stop babying himself and and get back out there. but congrats on the well done season.
Posted By: rocknraider Re: R.J. Nill - 01/31/04 08:00 PM
I dont know the severity of his injury, but i also tore my meniscus my jr yr and was told i needed to have surgery on it and that i shouldnt do long amounts running. I did no such thing and finished out my jr yr w/ the injury. My knee was still killing my senior yr and i ran x-country w/ a torn meniscus. I would say if he is in the same situation like myself, tough it out and wrestle.
Posted By: smokeycabin Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 11:09 AM
I may not be as tough as all you Superpain Threshold guys. But a highschool freshman 24-2 and winner of 4 or five varsity tournaments including Basheor/Lindwood, Johnson County Classic, Eudora, Spring Hill. I'll bet you are all doctors who have seen his results. I personally would rather have a healthy R.J. in his sophmore, junior, and senior year. I will also bet most of you would give your sore right meniscus to have a freshman 24-2 at this point in the year. And do not tell me about toughing it out. I have been in the meat grinder a few years.
If he is able to compete he will compete If he can't he won't. Leave it at that.

Sean - STA Kids Coach
Posted By: rudy23 Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 12:02 PM
Well said! rhill
Posted By: KCWrestlersMom Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 02:27 PM
Exactly, Sean! Anyone who knows RJ knows if he could possibly wrestle, he absolutely would. He and his parents are following the advice of the experts to do what is best for him now and in the many years he has to function with that knee, long after wrestling is over.
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 05:42 PM
thats wierd the experts said i would be out for 6 months to a year with a tore acl, mcl, pcl well lets see that was 3'1/2 months ago and i'm squatting and wrestling on it and doing spring football so maybe those so called experts need to stop babying him and his parents can make all the excuses they want for him but we all know he was what we people who actually stick the season out hurt is a case of pussitis. and i would rather have a freshman who can make through a whole season without crying about some cartledge in his knee hurting you don't even need your meniscus all it does is act as a shock absorber to your knee joint. so make all your excuses about the sevearity of his injury we all know the truth and i'll tell you what sean when you become a real coacH I.E. A HIGH SCHOOL ORCOLLEGE COACH STAY IN THE KIDS FORUM, i know kids who would give thier right nut to be in his posistion w/ a tore meniscus because they know they would at least finish the season instead of giving up and saying oh 24-2 is good enough i guess i'll just try and win it next year... gimmie a break... the pussification of america ...right here
Posted By: iFeelFat Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 07:41 PM
dallas browning-
you are an idiot. shut up and don't talk anymore. Life does not revolve around wrestling. The kid is a freshman, he's got at the VERY LEAST 3 more years of wrestiling. By the time thats over he'll be...all of 18. What about the rest of his life. One surgery at 15, or countless others for the rest of his life.
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you don't even need your meniscus all it does is act as a shock absorber to your knee joint
ok \, you use your knee every time you take a step, a shot, go bowling, swimming, or duck hunting. You use it when running, doing back flips and jumping on trampolines. While doing cart wheels, pummeling your little brother, throwing snowballs at cars, and tossing watermelons off bridges. I'd say that a shock absorber for your knee joint is fairly important.
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 09:19 PM
ok 1st of of you you overweight cheerlerader wrestling does revolve aroun wrestling because its the oldest and most pure sport. 2nd of all when and if he actually wins state he knows he's going to be disappointed because he knows that he could have another one...and you don't need your meniscus proven fact...i don't any in eiter of my knees and i'm walking, wrestling and playing football just fine....oh yeah 2 words jenny craig:)b
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 09:21 PM
i remember joe johnston formally of sme and now at iowa mesing his shoulder up at state and i thinkoh yeah he wrestled became a man and won the thing....maybe he needs a rolemodel like johnston
Posted By: kswrestling85 Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 09:41 PM
You really are a moron browning. He really should sit out a few weeks and see how he is feeling and if he is strong enough to go out and wrestle at full strength like nothing ever happened, then go for it. But if his knee is still weak and there is a possibility for re-injuring his knee then he should sit out. Why risk three more years of wrestling when you could sit out and completely re-heal or wrestle at half strength get beat and lose more wrestling time?
Posted By: RichardDSalyer Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 10:38 PM
Dear Dallas:

I personally witnessed R. J. Nill wrestle many tough and physical matches at the Tulsa Nationals, the U. S. Junior Open, and many tournaments in Kansas. I have never known R. J. to duck competition!

As was stated earlier, none of us on this talk forum have viewed the medical records, and are not qualified to give advice on anothers injury.

Since you do not know the young man, or the severity of the injury, kindly keep your negative comments regarding a freshman in high school to yourself.
Posted By: Dante Alighieri Re: R.J. Nill - 02/03/04 11:18 PM
How is this even an issue? If you are injured, you take the time that is needed to recover, and then go back to whatever it is that you do. You go on the advice of "people with Medical Degrees," not "people on a wrestling forum that think all of America is a bunch of pussies and that don't punctuate."

I agree with you Mr. Browning, there is certainly a difference between pain and injury. However, I think that with Mr. Nill we are certainly dealing with an injury.

And your point about Shawnee Mission East Legend Joe Johnston, that is a different situation. First, Joe was a senior; you are much more experienced and able to wrestle around an injury. Also, I know for a fact that Joe's parents were very concerned about him continuing, but because he was 18 they let him make his own decision. Mr. Nill is 15, he is a kid, this doesn't make him a p-u-s-s-y.
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:17 AM
i stand corrected...not really, its a meniscus you do not need it, its a useless piece of cartledge theres one way to tear it and one way fix it, i know alot of people who have this surgery done and they were back a lot quicker than he is projecting...i don't want to get off on a rant hear ut you can call me an idiot all you want but it makes no difference to me well because i don't like anybody and i'm just that big of an a$$hole i guess but grant it if he wants to take all that time off watever its his state tourney to lose but if thats what he wants ...whatever its his life not mine. if he says he can't go so be it . good luck next year
Posted By: Dallas Browning Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:19 AM
i was 16 when i had my meniscus tear so i really don't think agr has a thing to do with this...obviously he just doesn't have the heart o a champion...just has the skills of one
Posted By: Curt Hogan Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:39 AM
I know RJ personally since he and my son have wrestled each other the last couple of years. I can assure you all there is no tougher or more fierce competitor. My son has been out with a partial tear of the MCL since the 1st week of December but returned to practice this past Monday. He really hoped to see RJ the last 2 weeks of the season. RJ is a very good wrestler but more importantly a quality young man. Take care of health now RJ and we will see you next year.
Posted By: WRwrestler Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:45 AM
Dallas you are dumb,you have no idea what you are talking about,just be quiet and post on something you know about!!
Posted By: Husker Fan Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:53 AM
Dallas,

Coach Sean did use to be an assistant college wrestling coach. He also wrestled in college and was an NCAA Division II finalist one year, so he does have more wrestling experience than most kids youth wrestling coaches. He definitely could be coaching at the high school level and probably at the the college level, if he was interested in pursuing that profession. He also coached quite a few of the wrestlers on the St. Thomas Aquinas team now and regularly attends their meets, so he naturally has an interest in the high school forum topics too.
Posted By: rudy23 Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 02:14 AM
I don't know Dallas from a "hill of beans" but I gotta believe he's pulling everyone's chain on this one. At least that's what I'm going with. As far as Coach McCarthy; having worked with him for a number of years, back to the old Renegades at SM West and then a few years at STA, I'll put his coaching experience and ability up against anyone in the business. Sean, Joe Cisper, and others keep quality kids feeding into the STA, as well as other hs programs in the area. That should speak for itself. rhill
Posted By: stawrestlingmom Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 02:21 AM
Dallas Browning you're an embarassment to the sport of wrestling- kids, high school, college whatever. Maybe you should move on to WWF. They might like you. Did you even graduate from high school? Your comments on this forum and language usage would suggest that you are of a 5th grade level...and that's being generous. You're an idiot. Stay off the forum.
Posted By: Randy Nill Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 03:41 AM
This is R.J.'s father. I'm sorry to all that this post grew such legs. For the people that know R.J., I'll try to explain what happened. We think R.J. tore his meniscus sometime in mid-December. That is when he first told me that something popped in his knee during practice at STA. We iced the knee that night and he continued to wrestle in pain: never really complaining until Sunday's, the day after his tournaments. We had the trainer at STA look at the knee and he thought it might be tendonitus or bursitus. By mid-January, we made an appointment with an orthopedic. However, we couldn't get an appointment until Feb. 4, tommorrow. Last Wed., STA had a tri-dual with Bishop Miege and Olathe Northwest. It was during his match with Quinn from Miege that R.J.'s knee locked up on him. He could not straighten the knee that night nor until his surgery on Friday. He had what they call a buckethandle meniscus tear. Dallas, who I don't know, is right when he states that you can remove the meniscus and be able to wrestle in a week or so. But the removal of the meniscus, or cartilage that buffers the knee joint, leads to an arthritic knee 10-15 years later. R.J. is still 14, doesn't turn 15 till April, and as his parents, we felt it was extremely important for him to have the same opportunity to coach and raise his own kids without having a bad knee to deal with. The surgeon could not straighten his knee even after R.J. was put under, mainly because the meniscus had gotten out of place and torn in 3 locations. The doctor had to cut and come in from the back of his knee to stitch and repair the meniscus. That is what made the total healing process approx. 4 months. Thanks to all who took up for R.J., Amanda, Sean, Richard, Vince, Kurt, and rhill. That will mean alot to R.J. and means alot to me. R.J. is extremely disappointed he can't finish this high school season but he will be back this summer and looks forward to 3 more years at STA. Good luck to everyone wrestling in regionals and state.
Randy Nill
Posted By: rocknraider Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 07:28 AM
hot D A M N. that sounds a bit worse than my tear. As i said earlier, if he was in my situation i would want him to keep going, but it seems obvious now that his knee locking is some serious stuff. good idea sitting it out.
Posted By: Strengthman Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 12:24 PM
Thanks Randy for explanation - good luck to RJ - he is a great kid.
Posted By: parkwayred Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 01:54 PM
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leads to an arthritic knee 10-15 years later.
I would like to comment on this issue… I’m 42 years old, anybody with arthritic knee’s can attest to what it’s like to try to get out of a chair or climb stairs with this condition. It’s absolutely no fun. I spend countless dollars on Vioxx just to be able to move like a normal person, Also I’m sure at some point when I’m really old were talking about new knee joints. For gods sake leave the kid alone, when you don’t take care of yourself at the dumb and young age you pay for it when you get old. I can attest to that… I once thought I to was 10ft tall and bullet proof. Take care of it now and live a productive life when you are older. “PAIN FREE” Good luck with R.J.’s recovery.
Posted By: coach neil Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 02:27 PM
I think questioning R.J.’s decision to take care of his body is totally absurd, but a large portion of the comments on this forum are. R.J. I think you are making the right decision. I went through the same injury when I was your age and I didn’t take care of it, so I pay the price everyday. Taking care of your body is not a weakness, its intelligence. You are the one who has to live with that body and nobody else. It really amazes me how idiots like Dallas Browning are so quick to make those slow-witted comments on toughness.

As for any of those dunderheads questioning R.J.’s toughness you can stop. I watched the kid wrestle at our tournament and he is just tough anyone else who steps out there. As for Dallas Browning, I would love it if you would stop by my wrestling room sometime and teach me how to be as tough as you.

Hang in there R.J..

Coach Neil
Basehor-Linwood High School
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: R.J. Nill - 02/04/04 02:38 PM
Mr. Nill,

Please let us know how the appointment went today.

Coach Neil,

You hit it on the head...I wasn't half the wrestler Nill seems to be, but when I tore my knee it's only common sense to take time and completely heal...I know that some people are currently trying to hurry back all over the state and Nation...but long after wrestling, you will want to make sure your health is in check.
Posted By: stillwraslin Re: R.J. Nill - 02/05/04 12:43 AM
Randy this is roger almaguer adams dad and we just want to say how sorry adam and i are of this occurence with RJ... Adam was quite shocked to hear this and we only wish RJ a quick recovery,RJ is a great kid and im quite sure the boys will meet again soon we were looking forward to the POSSIBILITY of another great match at regionals but we do feel your pain as Adam had to deal with a bad shoulder injury at state last year...from injury expierience rest and rehab for our boys at this age is the smart thing and i am quite sure
RJ will be back at full strength next year...As for the idiot Browning and his stupid comments ...just want to say that the both of us RJ we are totally behind you and again know you will be back soon.... See you soon RJ
Posted By: state no-show Re: R.J. Nill - 02/05/04 03:32 AM
an earlier post made by falstaff:
How is this even an issue? If you are injured, you take the time that is needed to recover, and then go back to whatever it is that you do. You go on the advice of "people with Medical Degrees," not "people on a wrestling forum that think all of America is a bunch of pussies and that don't punctuate."

If i am correct Falstaff is logan rutherford of shawnee mission east who also encountered a terrible accident at the shawnee mission northwest tournament. He took the pain like a man only to p-u-s-s out for the rest of the season and throw away his wrestling "dreams". After weeks of rehab logan was curling the same amount of weight on each arm and was able to do 40 dips in one day. Although this star athlete is able to lift more than anyone in our school and likes to practice ultimate fighting moves on his fellow wrestling team mates he is unable to step out on the mat and compete. Some people just hate wrestling and won't admit it.

R.J. Nill- great season, looking forward to seeing you take state next year.
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