Is it true the Milstead kid from Bishop Ward is transferring to Aquinas?
also heard they were "recruiting"
almauger from olathe south at regionals
What do you mean by "recruiting"?
Looks like the KC area is looking to buy it's first 6A state title.
Just joking, of course. These allegations are completely unfounded. But I don't blame their fans for wanting a title. I don't know how Manhattan lived for so long without one.
(Oh, I do know. We were cursed.)
didn't blue valley win a 6a title a few years ago
as for recruiting allegations i would be careful with those unless you have proof. it makes you look jealous
don't know why i would be jealous? just stating what i heard. i don't care if anyone recruits. it doesn't effect me. it's only high school. if someone wants to go that route to be the best, then more power to them.
I think you may be correct, stonewall. Any wrestling wise men who would know? (I'm too lazy to look up the state records.)
Aquinas is a private school, therefore allowed to recruit.
Truthfully, the private school thing isn;t the advantage it used to be. In past years kids had to attend school in the district they lived in or attend a private school. That isn't the case anymore and in fact with the state funding being based on enrollment a few schools actually advertise for out of district students. Students attending private schools have the same ineligibility for one semester after transfer (without a waiver) as do students in public school.
They Still Recruit At the Private Schools. Kshsaa should eliminate them from competetion, as they do in Texas.
There is something to keep in mind about private schools that I learned in five years of coaching in them: Sure, we could recruit, but unless the family in question was loaded, it was kind of hard to say, "Hey, how about giving up that free public education to pay $4,000 a year to send your kid to our school, just because he's a good wrestler." Oddly enough, we didn't get a lot of takers.
And as Fanatic said, anyone transfering from a public to parocial school has the same eligibility rules as one who goes from one public to another.
I would be more inclined to think that individuals who may not be in a place or situation they're happy with, might seek out a program that has shown the kind of success STA has, before I'd make accusations about recruiting, legal or otherwise. I'm not saying that's the case with either wrestler mentioned in this post, just making a point.
Randy Hill
Stonewall,
Blue Valley did win a state championship in 1997 behind state champions Mark Denning and Andy Pastor. At least that's what it says on this site. Of course they are now 5A. Randy Hill
Why would recruit they Adam Almaguer? STA will have a kid in his weight next yr named RJ NILL! They will both probably be 119lbers next yr and it would be a waste of talent to see one of them on the bench or have to compromise a promising 119 season by going up a weight or two.
well after deep thought and reflection, and being the father of a young wrestler, i myself would wish my son t go to the best program, wrestling and academics, and aquinas is getting to the point where they offer the best of both. i have to echo big red and rudy and say thaqt aquinas actions lately promote themselves and make sta a very attractive option (for those who can affford tuition). and as for almanger, he4 is still in middle school if im correctr therefore has not been in any high school yuet, im sure this is tyhe way olathe does it , if im wrong please let me know
Adam almaguar is a freshman this year at olathe south i beleive an was a state finalist at 6a 112.
adam almaguar is going to north next year. you are correct in that he hasnt gone to highschool yet, and he will attend and wrestle for olathe north next year.
Why is the Milstead kid leavin ward? If he wonts to go to a better wrestling school why wuldn't he just go to turner? their the top in kck.
Why would Almaguer go to North?? He seems to be doing just fine at South. If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Olathe middle schools are grades seven through nine, then high schools are tenth through twelfth. Maybe he was in a middle school that split into both Olathe North and Olathe South and could choose this year which one he wanted to wrestle for, even if he does live in the Olathe North district.
Just a guess.
i takled to almaguer a little bit last night but dont know exactly the situation on why he was at south this year and north next year. but he is definitly going to north next year. he is playing baseball for north this spring on our C team. i think his family might have moved...
Someone told me that each Olathe high school specialized in a different academic area and students can transfer between them regardless of which area of Olathe they live in. Anyone know if that's true? Are there any restrictions with athletics? rh
There are "21st Century Programs" at the Olathe schools, yes. North and Northwest have the widest variety of programs. (east and south have a few too). The transfere rule is that you sign up for the program and attend the school, no restrictions of athletics or anything (thats how I stayed at North). The issue is the new boundry lines being created (forcing some to go to a certain school), but there are some "free zones that the students can decide which high school to go to with out having to sign up or transfere. It's all very confusing and it changes everyday. There has been a lot of effort going into bringing students to the high schools (i.e. North, trying to stay 6A in the other sports. 5A in fb though)
Thats the story. sorry it was so long.
i dont know if it is true or not, but i heard that neil erisman from desoto might be going to STA next year also...
Alright, if all of this is true, then STA will have the most ridicious team ever....Erismen, Hurla, Cisper, Nill, Mandcina, Almaguer, and Mamie. i would crap myself if i was another Johnson County school if i had to face them.
no, erismen should come to east...... and cisper
won't they have livengood and henes too
The deal is, Milstead is happy with the school and the team, and has a good friend on the team, it is his father who doesnt think the program is hard enough on the wrestlers and hasnt prepared his son well enough, even though he finished 32-6 as a freshman ,and lost 5 of those to state medal winners.Twice to Caleb Hules(Turner),Bebe(Parsons),Schroder(Andale)Geske(Abilene)And by the way Maime at Aquinas was in Bishop Wards kids club(when they had one)for several years and his dad is an Alum of Ward and at the last moment back out of coming, and went to Aquinas, also Hurla from Aquinas, his Dad is the Baseball coach at Ward, but doesnt send him there.So it could easily be Ward that has the dominant team, but life goes on............
Mark also has several friends from his kids' wrestling days that attend Aquinas...Nill, Blazevic and Mamie. Mamie enrolled in STA on time, not last minute. You're right about Mamie and Hurla's ties, but don't forget Nill's mom is a Ward alum. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
If livengood decided to go then it would be all over. that lineup would be stacked like a bricksh*thouse up til at least 189 or so.
livengood isnt going anywhere
I've heard that scholarship's were given to athletes to entice them to come to private schools who were team building.
You must be joking. In every Catholic school I've ever been familiar with, not only do you have your tuition (the $4000 mentioned earlier is quite low today, don't think you could find that price anywhere), but you also have to be an active, financially contributing member of your parish or you must pay non-parishioner tuition, which is usually at least an additional $1000 added to the tuition.
Bishop Carroll has a very good team. Do they give scholarships? It would be somewhat impressive to me that high school wrestling has enough support to attract that type of money and interest to pay for private school high school wrestling scholarships. I was under the impression that it was a difficult to attract money for college wrestling scholarships. Can anyone verify that private high school wrestling scholarships are actually given out?
I believe offering scholarships would be a violation of KSHSAA rules.
The only scholarships available at Aquinas are if you score around 99% on their entrance exams. And I don't think the exam involves wrestling! :p
Aquinas is a huge financial commitment and it is true that if you are not a contributing member to a parish in the diocese you pay about $1,000 more in tuition.
Dear Vince:
Their are no athletic scholarships to either Kapaun Mt. Carmel or Bishop Carroll.
The Wichita Diocese, like the Kansas City Diocese, MAY offer financial assistance if a student scores in the 99 percentile on the placement exam.
In the Wichita Diocese, the non-Catholic rate is considerably higher than the Catholic rate. The rate is almost double.
Many schools, such as Ivy League institutions, do not offer athletic scholarships, but find another way to fund a student's education, such as grants, "sponsorships," or other fancy tricks.
Do schools like Aquinas/Hayden/Carroll/Kapaun/Collegiate do these things? Maybe. But I'd guess no. Often the lure of a sweet education is enough to convince parents to shell out the extra bucks.
The Wichita Diocese does not offer ANY special tuition assistance to athletes. An individual may qualify based on academic performance only.
While I do not know first hand, I believe both the Kansas City and Dodge City Dioceses have the same policy.
Collegiate, on the other hand, is a different story.
I really didn't think there could be an athletic high school scholarship. Even if it had been legal, I would have been amazed we could get the money for high school wrestling when we are having so much trouble getting money for college wrestling scholarships and programs. I think kids are picking Aquinas probably for both the education and the opportunity to be on a good wrestling team with a lot of good wrestling partners. One other connection on Andy Hurla to Aquinas was that his kids wrestling experience was with the STA Kids Club.
I talked to a kid over the summer from Tennesse, he said for state they have 2 divisions; division 1 is all the prep school who recruit and division 2 is all the public schools
i have to give prant some props for his first intelligent post ever, it is true not only in kansas but everywhere, that the best education is a very wise investment, and only a bonus if the wrestling is of high quality, or any other sport you are interested in, only a few kids receive athletic scholarships to college, and if i can send my son to a place where he can not only get attention from wrestling and baseball coaches, but also is in a place where hey send many kids to big colleges academically i'd be a fool not to figure out a way to financially work it out
stonewall-
First intelligent post ever? Ouch. What about my witty banter? Does it mean nothing to you? What about the state statistical formulas? Those were mathematically delicious! My heart hurts that my near-perfect spelling and oh-so-witty remarks have fallen on deaf eyes/ears.
Thanks for the compliment, though.
Stonewall,
I am not sure where you live, but Kansas public schools rank near the top in academic excellence across the nation. I doubt that your child's education is going to be enhanced at a private school, who's teachers are drawn from the same pool as the public schools.
Originally posted by stonewall:
i have to give prant some props for his first intelligent post ever, it is true not only in kansas but everywhere, that the best education is a very wise investment, and only a bonus if the wrestling is of high quality, or any other sport you are interested in, only a few kids receive athletic scholarships to college, and if i can send my son to a place where he can not only get attention from wrestling and baseball coaches, but also is in a place where hey send many kids to big colleges academically i'd be a fool not to figure out a way to financially work it out
I agree stonewall, it's hard to believe Prant is a product of our public education system. Especially when you consider he likely went to orchestra camp (worse than band camp), while he was there.
Why sportsfan02, indeed I did attend orchestra camp (Prant hangs head in shame). I went to Midwestern Music Camp twice, and was selected as concertmaster of the orchestra once (Prant again hangs head in shame).
Of course, now I make 3 G's a semester to play two orchestra rehearsals a week to saw on a viola...take that, all you jerks (Moody/Dingbat) who made fun of me for playing violin in high school.
Jilka, I do believe you mentioned being a violin player too. You ever attend the old MMC? Any other posters here spend two weeks in Larryville for complete band/orchestra immersion? Wyler? I do believe Web Joodford also used to play a little cello in his day...
And I just noticed--stonewall's post about me having only one "intelligent" post has six commas and no periods.
Public education for life.
Prant,
You do know how much crap I will take for this, right? My violin career only took me through the sixth grade at Heusner Elementary in good old Salina. During my tenure in the second chair, I attended the "String Fling" orchestra camp on the campus of one Kansas State University. It was more than I can describe.
While I'm at it, I also played tennis for many years.
Got your back Prant!
Jilka
Time Stands Still, while Kansas has some good public school systems, they also have some fair and poor ones. I'm sure any parent, as I did, would thoroughly check out a private school to make sure their child can get an excellent education before making the sacrifice to send them there and not just fork over that kind of money so their child can be on a good athletic team. There are other reasons besides sports and education for some parents to choose a private school. They are not forced to be "politically correct" and teach your child to accept certain things as just the way it is when you have raised them differently all their lives. I want my children to be in a school that has the same morals and values we try to teach in our home so that those ideas are supported while my children are growing and maturing.
Jilka, you are to be commended for coming forward with your string-filled past. If you want private lessons, I teach group lessons at Westside Daycare in the summer at a rate of $5 for 20 minutes, or private lessons at $8 for half an hour. The group lessons will be with the likes of Taylor, McKenzie and Veronica, and include things such as "Pepperoni Pizza," "Wish I had a Swishy Fishy," "Grashopper Grasshopper," and everyone's favorite, "Up Like a Rocket."
I, too, have attended String Fling. Jilka, is it possible you are my long-lost brother, and you and Fat Pamon Darker were switched at birth?
Dear KCWrestlersMom,
Is political correctness learning to get along with all kinds of people, from all kinds of races, from all kinds of socio-economic groups, from all kinds of religions?
The school that teaches those things will be the school that will teach my kids, public or private.
I know plenty of people who can not get along with people of different races or socio-economic groups that went to public school. Racist/elitist attitudes develop regardless of school setting.
I think you're trying to start a pointless debate.
And I just want to say boo to Olathe for having the open enrollment (or whatever it's called). That probably played a role in me not having a sweet state championship ring right now. Hmph.
I coach,teach, and am a graduate of Bishop Carroll and would like to set the story straight about Bishop Carroll and Kapaun (I can not speak for Aquainas). In our diocese there are no schlorships, recruiting or grants. You can only get in if you are a catholic in good standing with a parish or are willing to pay tuition. At bishop Carroll tuition is not really even an option beacuse we have a waiting list so all catholics are allowed in first. KMC is near capasity but I beleive it does accept a few non-catholics each year.
We do not recruit. The same rules that apply to public schools apply to us. If we could recurit and give schloarships why did not Elliott come here, or Cornejo (who is catholic), or Addcock. Because they could not get in and we could not recriut them.
I am tired of people saying we have an advantage because we recruit. We do not. Half our varsity this year started as fresman and half of our state qualifiers started as freshman.
There is no reason to seperate private and public schools. I think our school is great but it is not necessarily better than any public school unless you want to learn about and be surrounded by our faith (which is why people send their kids here - not to wrestle).
jfink,
Not to open old wounds but that wasn't always the case at one of the schools you mentioned. But, in recent years I see no evidence that any of the parochial schools recruit athletes.
So concerning this topic of parochial schools where does this boys family reside Mo or KS (Mandcina) and where was he at the beginning of the high school season for he just shows up Jan 1st 04 who says the Catholic schools don't recruit take a look around yea right.
Some of you may be in shoes similair to mine, but i was one of those souls who went all the way through private school and now teach in the public schools.
There are two, well three if you want to count religion classes, major differences:
Parental involement at private schools is far more intrusive because of the investment being made financially by the parent. Also, many schools require activity participation as a requirement for attendence. Very seldem are private schools viewed as a "daycare" by parents as a place to drop off their kids.
The other major difference is that private schools don't have to put up with is that bottom 10% of underachievers that public schools deal with day in and day out. Often times, your tuition is forfeited if you drop out or flunk out so there is real pressure to achieve at proficient level by both parent and student.
As far as religion classes go, those are basically a combination of Sociology, Psychology, Philosophy, Ethics and Family Living classes. Sure, we went to church alot, but that was usually on game days and as a team which was good for team building.
The reality is that yes, many parents send their kids to parochial schools for their faith, but those same parents also realize that the faculty and administration get to deal with a student popoulation that is proportionally more motivated than the public schools.
The top students at at both schools are very comparable. Those students can achieve in just about any learning environment. Where I really think that private schools get there advantage, however, is with that middle group of learners who could go either way. The dress codes and stricter discipline of the private schools create a smaller population of slugs for those middle achievers to migrate towards, thus usually advancing them upwards.
I think this translates into athletics as well, which is why NCLB and school vouchers could really leave the public schools in a bind. Remember, Aquinas was 4A just ten years ago and they obviously have grown, and now the diocese is set to open a new school not far from DeSoto, Eudora, Olathe, Lenexa and to an extent, Lawrence.
All that being said, i don't think that private schools need to recruit. i believe that our government and society are already doing a good enough job of that. We public schools just have to keep setting our high expectations and continue to make the public school systems an attractive opportunity for a free and appropriate education.
Dear Bill:
While I concur with all of your views, you failed to mention the tenure system for teachers in the public school system.
In the Parochial system, if a teacher exhibits many of the non-chalant, do not give a darn attitude prevalent in many, many public schools, they simply will be finding a new school to teach in.
Also, I would not describe the parental involvement of private school children as "intrusive", I prefer to believe we are more concerned and engaged.
Being a product of Parochial Schools, parent involvement CAN be intrusive. Now being an employee of the public school sytem, I guarantee you the parent involvement CAN ALSO be intrusive. My parents were very involved and supportive in my school and my church as I was growing up and I had many opportunities that the kiddos in my school also deserve, but state funding doesn't allow for. Then we get to the No Child Left Behind Act, which is a whole other snake pit. Parents who have children in school and those who either have grown children or no children at all had better start taking education seriously. It will make or break your community, and the lives of those young people who will soon be the tax base that supports all of us "ole folks". We also can't have music, the arts, and sports stripped from the schools to pay for the mandates that the feds have put on the schools. These areas teach discipline, just plain stick-to-it-ivenss, and often offer kids who aren't going to be rocket scientists a place to succeed. You may think that school funding isn't your issue, but you'll soon find it's everyone's issue. Everyone deserves a good education. By the way, I also agree with the "tenure" issue in public schools. I have worked with many teachers and principals who retired long ago and just failed to mention it to everyone else. I also, for some odd reason, have run into a suprising number of teachers and administrators who seem to hate kids in general. Isn't that odd!
Did you guys know that the man who was instrumental in the developement of the successor to the space shuttle was one of Gary Ulmers boys from Olathe North (and was a finalist for scientist of the year nationally, one of the Elvin brothers) or that Kenny Gaines of Kinsley is now the Dean of Law at South Carolina State University or for that matter Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, five or six astronauts, several state senators and one President were all from those failed public schools in the state of Kansas. Kansas actually ranks anywhere from 16th to 26th depending on which poll you read nationally in public education. Sometimes that pius private school stuff gets a little bit insulting to those of us in the unwashed masses.
Westfahl:
Normally I respect your opinions, however your theory is flawed, and frankly is bunk.
How many students graduated from the public school system who could not read, write, or balance a checkbook during the same time frame?
By all accounts, nationwide, there has been much failure in the public school system, with a few shining stars.
I do applaud the teachers who put forth their best efforts, however the system is punitive to those striving to teach our youth to be the best they can be.
Well, I don't know about all of your crappy public schools, but mine produces more national merit scholars year in and year out than any other school in the state, public or private. Also, our average SAT and ACT scores are always near the top ten in the state. In fact, we have also been in the top ten nationally in average ITED scores in recent years.
Frankly said, in certain areas private schools may be a better plan, but in my district they're just a waste of money.
Hmmmm, let's see here....People who go to private schools are typically from affluent communities, and do well on tests. People who go to Shawnee Mission East are typically from affluent communitites, and do well on tests.
Boy, you'd think the situation you were born into plays a large role in your ability to retain information.
But that would be crazy, right?
"People who go to Shawnee Mission East are typically from affluent communitites, and do well on tests."
That's not a fair comparison! Don't Johnson County parents have private school students employed to take the tests for their kids?
Hey Prant, I'm just a poor white kid trying to make it in the ghetto of Prairie Village.
Also notice I said that in my own district private schools are waste of money, not all districts. Basically what I'm trying to say is that kids in the situation of being able to choose between public and private schools should be able to learn in either environment. More often than not it is the kids who do not have the money to go to private schools that need it the most. That being said, socioeconomic factors obviously play a huge role in the success of students and it is the kids on the low end of that ladder that need to be addressed in terms of going to private schools so that their problems can be aptly addressed.
Richard, I respect you a ton, and I know where you are coming from on this deal. You are right, public education edjucates the masses, they don't get the affluent, well off, or motivated kids exclusively, but they do have their share. I have taught for nearly 30 years in public schools and have known my share of wonderful teachers who excepted everyone that came into their classroom no matter how much money they had or how big a challenge they presented personally or how much baggage they carried with them. I taught at Schlagle for years and coached there too. We had our share of kids from all kinds of backgrounds and for sure some of them didn't turn out well, but some of them turned into Federal Marshalls, Vice Presidents of Lexus International, liasons for Wang Computer Corp, Social Workers, and on and on. To generalize that the majority of teachers in public schools are somehow less prepared than private school teachers is somehow wrong I think. Since you asked, and you did, how many kids were there that couldn't read or write? That question, open ended as it was, smacks to me of a generalized lack of respect for thousands of teachers and kids that none of you know or maybe have thought about. How bout a little respect for those who chose the challenging road and what would we do without them?
Sorry I misspelled accepted, there goes that public education deal huh lol.
... ahhh, what was the question???? Was it multiple choice????