Missouri 50
Kansas 7
The only winners for KS were Middleton by maj. and Payne on a takedown in the final second.
MO 50
KS 7
112 Dixon md Munyan, 13-4
119 Carey md Bell, 16-6
125 Oglesby d Elsrode, 8-1
130 Gerhold tf Crotinger, 21-6
135 Middleton md Fisher, 11-3
140 Zamora p Keane, 3:59
145 Shaffer p Metcalf, 4:24
152 Peterson md Lang, 14-2
160 Gleason d Steinmetz, 5-2
160 Berry d Fitzgerald, 11-5
171 Payne d Newman, 7-5
171 Shadrach d Flory, 9-3
189 Murray d Page, 10-3
215 Lampkin d Carrera, 14-9
275 Gunselman d Jones, 7-5
Ouch, what a mauling.
Yes, it was an absolute spankin'! Team Showme appeared bigger, stronger, quicker, better technicians, and for the first time in my memory the Showme's appeared in better condition.
I believe the gauntlet has been laid across our cheeks. And we in the Kansas wrestling community had better wake up and accept the challenge. From our coaches to our wrestlers, we need to improve.
By my quick calculations, Missouri scored 50 takedowns to our 5. That's right, the Showme's had 10 times more takedowns than we did. The confidence displayed by Missouri was truly amazing.
In the neutral position, Missouri took us to school; there is no other way to say it. Low Singles, Doubles, Knee Picks, it was a clinic. When we did shoot, we were snapped down in a front headlock and scored on.
I will not question our effort but we were “out-classed.” In the past, even when we lost, there were glimmers of hope. There were a couple of matches, that if they had gone the other way, the dual outcome would be different. But not this year … we were dang near skunked.
In the 12th Annual Metro Classic two records were set. Missouri set a record for the most points scored and Kansas set a record for the fewest points scored.
Bonner Springs, Matthew Middleton was very impressive in his major decision. Nathan Payne scored his victory with a last second takedown. But Nathan Payne from Paola would score the nights biggest victory, as the Wicina Award winner. The Wicina Wrestling Trophy is presented to the wrestler who displays exceptional qualities and the winner also receives a $1,000.00 scholarship.
3A kids went undefeated again at the metro.
I would like to take Missouri's Metro and put it up against our best overall Senior team. I didn't recognize a lot of names this year...maybe half the team (guess I just missed hearing these guys names at state)
7-50? man...sounds like my wrestling record
Yes, it was a truely sad sight. I noticed that they were awfully quick on there feet, freaking huge, and in solid shape. The kid that Elsrode wrestled looked like a 140lber. He was a freak of nature at that weight.
Most of they guys were at a weight or maybe two lower than they wresled in high school they were really tough an intense wrestlers it was fun even tho we got killed.
Do they weigh-in for this event, because I thought there was a definite size difference too in most classes? A number of them were taller but they did not appeared to any thinner either.
Randy, you brought up some interesting points. Missouri definitely beat us on their feet. Is this just a one year aberration or is it going to be a trend for a while? I read in another thread that Cody Bell said we might have been a little out of condition, since we only practiced twice. Is that normal in preparing for this event? That does not seem to be enough practices to me.
Also Randy I am interested in what you and others might think that we need to do on this side of the State line to narrow the gap (if this is more than a one year difference). I am a little concerned now that Kevin Klemm is no longer in the area, because I know many champions were developed from his program.
Do you think that they are currently a little more serious on the Missouri side of the metropolitan area about wrestling? The reason I ask that is from my own experience which is limited to Kids wrestling. I see they have this youth team the Competitors that is very good and takes it very seriously. They travel a lot to compete at national kids events. I have my son enrolled in Purler Wrestling Academy runned by Tony Purler a former NCAA Division I champion. It is expensive but I would say that about 90% of the kids are from Missouri. His year around weekly camps are all located on the Missouri side but the Rockhurst high school one is close to Kansas. I also think he would run a weekly Kansas site if he could work with an interested high school and coach. I am starting to see some of our Metro Kansas side kids clubs wrestle against more Missouri wrestlers at local meets. I think that will help. That Competitors club has been pretty dominant at those meets.
I think somehow too we need to start getting more Johnson County and Wyandotte County kids into the sport. We have some great football and track athletes in this area. I think a lot of these kids could also be great wrestlers. Does anyone else agree with this thought? I have been of the opinion for the last couple of years that there should be more athletes participating in the sport at the Kids level on the Kansas side of the Metro. If you agree with me on this why do you think they are not participating and what could be done to change that?
Need some help here. Not being from the KC area, I am assuming the Metro is based on only KC area kids. Not trying to make excuses, but excluding Turner, most of the teams that placed highly at state aren't from the metro area (please correct me if I'm wrong) STA and BVNW placed a distant 4th and 5th respectively in 6a and Blue Valley Stillwell placed 5th at 5a. Another good point would be to find out how many of those teams' seniors contributed to their point totals. I am wishfully thinking that perhaps this was a one time thing. Let's hope so for the sake of KS pride.
Booooty Whoopin !!! It's tough when they (Missouri) get done a week early and their coaches get together and organize some great practices. Plus, They usually come to the Kansas State Championships down in Wichita and scout the Kids. Its tough I coached the Metro many moons ago when they had Infraca and company. I don't feel so bad anymore.
Kansas has some good talent coming up in the next few years that would be eligible for the Metro. Good wrestlers are needed but it would be nice to let the coach's have a little more time to work with the kids than two practices. Why was the metro moved up a week any way I thought it was to be next week but got moved up for TV I didn't see no TV. Must a been a Missouri trick with Metro Sports. I don't ever see alot of Kansas wrestling on there what' up with that. Just kidding about the Missouri trick but what about the lack of Kansas wrestling on Metro Sports.
mawcoach:
There is a mileage area from the K. C. area which both sides of the border may draw from.
As the Missouri side of the border is more populous, the Kansas draw area is larger.
As stated, this is the 12th Annual Metro Classic. Here is a list of team winners:
1992 Missouri 30 Kansas 18
1994 Missouri 30 Kansas 24
1995 Kansas 39 Missouri 15
1996 Missouri 43 Kansas 18
1997 Missouri 39 Kansas 15
1998 Kansas 36 Missouri 19
1999 Missouri 37 Kansas 19
2000 Missouri 29 Kansas 27
2001 Kansas 32 Missouri 13
2002 Kansas 33 Missouri 19
2003 Missouri 39 Kansas 21
To qualify, you have to be a Metro area senior. The Metro is defined by roughly a 75-mile radius of KC. In the past, that has included Garnett, Ft. Scott, Effingham, and Sabetha on the Kansas side and Cameron, St. Joe, and Marysville on the Missouri side. The population base is substantially bigger on the Missouri side. But that is just an excuse and a poor one at that.
The wrestlers do have a weigh-in and get a 7-pound allowance.
Yes, Missouri does take this event and their wrestling serious.
I would like to give a few opinions and such, but right now, I’m really “in-the-dumps” and not in a very good frame of mind to be writing. But I will get over it!
P. Pitbull's Old Dog,
As I understood it the match was moved to a later date to allow for tv coverage but something about that date didn't work so they had to move it back to the original date of last night.
I took my 7 year old son to watch the Metro Classic this year because we enjoyed it on TV last year. I'm from MO and I was very disappointed. My 7 year old said, "KS didn't look very good at all and I bet they are mad."
My two cents is this, regardless of the time from State competition, it is up to the coaches and wrestlers on rather or not they want to take the event seriously. I hope that KS and MO learn from yesterday's disaster, You get what you put into it. If you only have 2 practices (KS or MO), you shouldn't expect anything different than what happened last night.
Metro Sports isn't showing the event on TV this year, they decided to sell VHS ($10) and DVD ($15). They choose the wrong year to try and make additional money from this event.
Would people still attend if it was moved back to give the Kansas' boys another week to prepare or do the wrestlers just want ot get it over with so they can grub and do nothing before freestyle. Bad thing is that Freestyle tournaments start up at the end of the month. For those that are serious There is no rest for the wicked and Missouri was wicked against Kansas last night!!!!!
I would like to point out that 5A got the only wins for Kansas.
... and I would like to point out ... that 321A ... was un-defeated!
It was a TEAM spanking, it had nothing to do with classifications.
Sorry, I am still in the dumps!
You can view Randy Hinderliter's report on the Metro Classic action at
http://www.usawks.com/HighSchool/MetroClassic04.htm . Not a pretty story!
Is there a Missouri board somewhat like this? If so, could someone please post a link? I'd like to be a good sport and congratulate the Border Ruffians for their victory a few nights ago.
However, if I were a betting man, I would put money on Kansas placing higher at nationals.
http://www.missouriwrestling.com/discus/ try this Prant ... and more power to you!!!!
"However, if I were a betting man, I would put money on Kansas placing higher at nationals."
Has Missouri placed higher than us at nationals in recent history? I don't recall seeing their state ahead of ours in recent years.
I don't understand the 123a comment, did anyone from 123a even compete in this event. I know 5a recorded the only wins?
Originally posted by sportsfan02:
"However, if I were a betting man, I would put money on Kansas placing higher at nationals."
Has Missouri placed higher than us at nationals in recent history? I don't recall seeing their state ahead of ours in recent years.
KS routinely takes 3-4x more kids to nationals than MO. Not sure why.
Speaking of Nationals, I didn't see quite a few names I think would do well...Where's Zouzas? I think he could make a good go of Nationals...and Jhris? Man why aren't you going? Only 2 guys from NCKL? MAN WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
Im sorry but the kids that Kansas took were not the best that Kansas had to offer and I thnk that pretty much says that the wrestling Talent THIS Year in the KC and surrounding area was not really up to par. But thats really not that big of news. Randy don't get to down in the dumps. I'm pretty sure our National tem will do way better than theirs.
I find something very interesting. Everyone seems to have the answers for why things 'went wrong on Tuesday night.' I would like to ask Mr. Hinderliter and Mr Peterman a question, since you two seem to be pointing the most fingers, what would you two have done differently? Were the wrong people picked to wrestle? Do you obtain the Midas touch when it comes to coaching? Please, tell us. We are all very interested to hear more of your opinions.
If reporting the facts, that we got our tails whooped, is pointing fingers, I believe that I am. What would I do differently? Remember … you asked!
The coaches of the team need to make a serious commitment. On the Monday following our return from State I would have a list of prospective team members in for a chat and workout and determine (perhaps through wrestle offs) those wrestlers that were equally committed. Then I would have a workout every night until the meet. Does this take some serious time and effort from coaches and wrestlers alike? Yes … commitment always does.
I know all the coaches on the team and some I know fairly well. I know that they wouldn’t shy away from the level of commitment that I’ve outlined. And I know most of the wrestlers. I know that wrestlers would like some “time off” following the State tourney. But those dedicating themselves to providing the best team, we had to offer, would have to make sacrifices.
A possibility is … that the absence of the East Kansas club during Folkstyle season had some bearing. Perhaps it even had some bearing on how some performed at the regional and state tourneys. In the past, it was common during the last few weeks of the high school season, to see wrestlers from several schools, at an East Kansas practice. “Steel sharpens Steel” is more than a catch phrase. Every matroom has battles. But when the best of each matroom come together, good things do happen. Granted, the East Kansas club lost “their coach” but someone needs to step up during the Folkstyle season.
And to Dean Wormer, you are fairly new to the Kansas Wrestling chat page, at least as a poster. So, I can’t quite figure out if your perhaps being a bit sarcastic in your questions. I’ve done several reports on the Metro and attended all but one of them. I have stated what I believe to be the facts and have stated my opinion on what we’ve done well and what we’ve done poor at. Some appreciate that level of honesty. I am sure that “all” do not agree.
If the Metro Classic is about showcasing “the BEST senior wrestlers in the Kansas City Metro area,” then it was clear to me that the best lived in Missouri this year. In the past, Kansas has “showcased” some great teams.
While I am not always the most graceful person in the world, I do try to avoid stomping on toes. But at times, it becomes difficult to walk without doing just that.
I am not Midas but I am a patriotic Kansan. It doesn’t matter to me if it is the Pancake race in Liberal, Andy Roddick in tennis, or the Metro Classic; I want to see fellow Kansan’s’ do well.
I guess, before I get plum carried away, I will end with this. Let’s not give our teams excuses for why they failed; let’s give them the encouragement, motivation, and the commitment that it takes to perform well.
Dear Randy:
I appreciate your candid comments and support for our kids.
Andy Roddick in tennis? What's this? Has Kansas produced a tennis great besides me?
Yes Prant, I was hoping you would notice this. While Roddick may be the best Kansan on the circuit right now I'm sure he would have to concede to you.
When do you plan to grace us? I like the sounds of "Breakfast with Prant at Wimbeldon."
I pretty much agree with what Randy had to say. I am not saying I have any certain midas touch. I was saying that our coach's are limited in what they can do. Heck. I admire all the coach's that were on the staff. I've worked with Reagan in the summer, Can any one deny what Sierant did with Turner this year, and I voted Parks as 6A coach of the year for what he done with STA. I don't know a whole lot about Flores but that he has produced some good wrestlers out of ACC. I am saying that the system we are using to prepare our wrestlers vs. Missouri is in no comparison. Failure to prepare is preparing for failure. We need to break the shackels off of our Kansas coach's and let them do their work.
Hey I will admit I was dissapointed with their enthuisiam during the match. I did own the biggest butt whoppin by Missouri but I guarantee I was yelling and trying to motivate every wrestler to the end. I will never accept defeat. I reflect, change, and then move on. This forum is allowing for us as Kansas to reflect, now we need to change so the we can move on with a plan for success.
Kansas boys never forget.
I believe that a lot of the Missouri wrestlers went down several weights, which makes it very difficult for the Kansas guys to wrestle against, since most of the Kansas wrestlers wrestled at their original weights. I think it should be a rule even though you get whatever amount of pounds you should still wrestle the you weight where during the year plus whatever pounds you get to make it a little more even. If you where at this event it was very evident that most of the Missouri guys where a lot bigger than our guys.
I believe that ALL of the Kansas wrestlers that where chosen deserved to be in this Metro Classic they are all excellent wrestlers. They probably just needed more time to practice than 2 times together, so that the coaches could see what they are good at and so they can gel together as a team!
I agree if all there going to do is move down weight classes. Don't give 10 pounds maybe 2-5. Use the allwance for what it was meant for. Letting the wrestler eat not for weight class jockeying.
sorry about the misspelling I teach Social Studies not English.