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Posted By: hasbeen Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/04/02 03:56 AM
I was just wondering why NO ONE respects heavyweight wrestling? Everyone is always bagging on its style and how easy it is. I am here to tell you that it is one of the hardest weights that there is.
If you are wrestling someone good you have to wrestle a flawless match to win. You can not be like a 103lbs wrestler and try a stupid move and give up points. It is hard because if you do give up any stupid points, it is harder than any other weight, to get these points back.
The other thing is people do not think heavyweights work hard. Why is this? Because they are not the fastest guys on the team? Just because most heavyweights are not ripped or have six packs does not mean that they do not work hard. Most heavyweights(that are good) have a great work ethic yet they continually get bagged on?
Also I can not anyone thinking that someone who is is a lightweight wrestler as the best wrestler in the state. 103lbs wrestlers are freshman mainly, 112 are sophomores mainly...and so on. Heavyweight is always an upperclassman weight so regardless what people think there are always good wrestlers in HEAVYWEIGHT!
Posted By: raiderwrestler Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/04/02 03:59 AM
WORD!
Posted By: bigbad78 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/04/02 03:51 PM
I HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME HOW BORING HEAVYWEIGHT WRESTLING IS. DON'T KNOCK IT UNLESS YOU'VE WRESTLED IT. TRY WAITING 13 MATCHES TO WRESTLE, OR YOU HAVE TO WIN THE MATCH TO WIN THE DUAL BECAUSE YOUR BUDDIES DIDN'T WIN, OR WORST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO PIN YOUR MAN TO WIN THE DUAL. LOTS OF PRESSURE THERE. QUIT BUSTIN' THEIR CHOPS!
Posted By: rocknraider Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/04/02 06:51 PM
big boys r tight....DOUBLE WORD!!!
Posted By: EKFAN Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/04/02 08:27 PM
According to high school rules the weight class to start a meet is now randomly picked. Last nights west vs. north the heavyweights started the meet then 103 and so on. Hats off to the big boys.
Posted By: takemedown Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/05/02 06:59 PM
most heavyweight matches are sloppy and boring. Why is it do you think that 190 pounders are coming up and whooping some but? There are however some good heavyweights out there-props to them.
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/05/02 07:26 PM
you all are right, yes they do work hard but i mean they are kinda boring to watch becuase there's not as much action as you would see in a 103 or 145 or 152 match they do work hard and mayb even harder than some other weights but you really cannot say that they are the best out there... everyone works hard and yes sometimes it comes down to them winning the dual for you but if the new systems is like it is supoosed to be then it doesnt matter where they wrestle it is up to every wrestler to do his best and win..... so really you cannot say that heavy weights are the best out there but yes they are good and they dont get all the credit they deserve.
Posted By: Bring It Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/07/02 06:09 PM
what about adam venegas and kevin pulliam there were some pretty quick big boys and had some awsome matches
Posted By: kswrestler55 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/08/02 06:03 AM
give the big guys some credit. its not easy moving all that weight and that is what sets the good ones apart from the other heavyweight, how they use their weight
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/08/02 09:48 PM
The only reason that Adam Venegas is winning most of his matches is that he shoots. Most heavyweights aren't used to that. If he were down in 215lbs. he wouldn't be as successful. Take Ryan Frazier from Kapaun for example. I'm not trying to knock the guy because he is a good guy, but I wrestled him at 215lbs. and beat him and his record was like 11-10. Then he moved up to heavyweight in the middle of the season and won state. No one shot on him in heavyweight like they did in 215lbs.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/08/02 09:59 PM
I'm not trying to knock heavyweights. there are some really good heavyweights out there. I was just trying to tell you why Adam Venegas is having some success. The reason I am commenting on his wrestling is because I've seen him wrestle before. I mean don't get me wrong, he's a decent wrestler, i just think that if he was at 215lbs. he wouldn't be as successful.
Posted By: Bring It Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/09/02 03:39 AM
venegas would stick u chris and he did wrestle zach hemmerling this summer and beat him 12-6 and he is a state champ at 215 a very good state champ
Posted By: kswrestler55 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/09/02 04:06 AM
venegas is very good and will win state easily this year. but we will see how good he is at nationals
Posted By: wizard_03 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/09/02 04:15 AM
I have a feeling that bring it just might be Venegas (or maybe I know it is}LOL. :p :p :rolleyes:
Posted By: hasbeen Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/09/02 04:55 AM
I never had the meant that heavyweight is the hardest or best weight. I am just tired of everyone bagging on the big guys. But I will say that I will never think that a mostly freshman weight (the lightweights like 103 -112)is the most difficult. I think that the hardest weight varies between 160, 171, 189 everyear. You have to be a real stud to win state in these divisions.
Posted By: D. Petrosky Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/10/02 02:51 AM
i wrestled heavyweight last yr and i thgouht it was pretty tough those guys work hard out there and i also think they should get some respect
Posted By: hasbeen Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/10/02 05:26 AM
Also, all the 215lbs that wrestle heavyweight usually are not that great. Most of them do poorly. For example in the past, people like Olsen from Maize, Bruce from Ark City, and English from Augusta. These guys won matches but didn't have what it takes to beat the big boys when it mattered. Yeah there are exceptions like Ryan Frazier from Kaupan, like there are in every weight. But a lot of people seem to forget a stud wrestler by the name of Razor from Junction City who took third as a junior at 275 but knew he couldn't win state at heavyweight so he dropped to 215 and dominated his way to a state championship.
Posted By: Coach Luedke Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/10/02 01:41 PM
I think that the reason why people look down on big guys and small guys is that in thier regionals not all of thier brackets are full. For example in the 3-1a regional in northeast ks at 112 my 112 byed his way to the consolation semi finals. All he had to do was win one match. He did not get it done. The guy that beat him also byed his way in. From what I understand this has happened several times last year in the low and upper wieghts. In 125-189 classes the guys have to wrestle full brackets aking it alot tougher to qualifiy for the state tournament. I also think that alot of people think that heavy wrestling is boring. It is largely due to the fact that alot of heavy wrestling does not have alot of action. I have been coaching at the high school level for 6 years and the best heavy matches I have ever seen came from that kid from St. francis that went to the university of wyoming to play football. Mitch Schelp from St. Francis was pretty good to. But in the last six years I have yet to see good heavy match.
Posted By: hasbeen Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/10/02 11:04 PM
Coach Luedke, as a coach I would expect more out of you. This is where the lack of respect starts. Most coaches do not like heavyweight wrestling so they do not bother to coach there heavyweights. Why do you think most heavyweights do not enjoy wrestling? It starts from coaches teaching the big boys moves and strategies that do not work for them. Most programs would have a much better team if the coach would just "suck it up" and work with there heavyweights. But most coaches have never and probably will never like heavyweight wrestling.
Posted By: dbedore Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/11/02 02:33 AM
Coach Luedke, that kid that went to the University of Wyoming was Jeff Boyle, and he was from Norton not St. Francis. But you are correct in saying he was something else to watch. But heavyweights don't come along like Jeff very often.
Posted By: Bring It Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/11/02 02:58 AM
hey wizard03 bring it is not venegas i am mike johnson i am an old fan thats all i just think the kid is a good wrestler thats all
Posted By: ybsmall Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/11/02 02:54 PM
hasbeen hit the nail on the head. Coaching heavy weights is not a priority. I wrestled heavy weight in Jr high and high school. I had a coach that made it clear he though it was a waste of time. That's sad because in reality if you teach a heavy weight some basics he has the chance to be successful. I have been a kids fed coach for approximately 12 years. I see our heavy weights have not been schooled in the basics. When I get a chance I try to help them. It's great because with just a few moves they can quickly improve their performance. I hope we can get more coaches to give these kids the time they deserve so we can have some interesting heavy weight matches.
Posted By: StallionTime125 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/11/02 03:27 PM
Heavyweights are the most essential weight in wrestling.It determines who win and loses a dual.They also determine how long you stay at a tournament. We have no heavyweights so after I won at spring hill we left. We didn't even stay to see who won as a team. Heavyweights Rock!
Posted By: LancerM Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/11/02 06:01 PM
Hey, I'm not doggin on heavyweights at all, I think they're great, but they have no more influence on the outcome of a dual tournament than any other person. It's not like they single handedly determine it, they're just the last ones to go. But I do love watching heavyweights anyways.
Posted By: Coach Luedke Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/13/02 12:13 PM
Well has been I am sorry for stepping on your toes but right now I work with the heavy guys and I am trying to instruct them on how to be aggressive and win. It just seems like the heavy guys think they have to go for the big throw when they really do not have to. They need to shoot, shoot, shoot, and score, score, score. The matches that I have seen is the first period goes push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The second period bottom man gets an escape then push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The third period goes bottom gets a reversal and near fall then the match ends in a fall. Thanks for correcting me on the jeff boyle thing I should have remembered Norton instead of st. Francis. Boyle was exciting to watch because he wrestled and did takedowns. He is a great kid. I agree with you has been in that coaches need to teach thier big guys how to wrestle. That is what I am attempting to do. However when a majority of heavies go upper body you still have to coach the traditonal stuff so they can feel it coming. I would also like to state that the heavies match does not have to decide the dual. According to federation rules you can mix the matches up. You could even wrestle heavies first if you want and leave the dual up to 103. The arguement that the big guy decides the dual is not valid at all. In a dual every match decides the outcome. That is what is great about the sport of wrestling it is an individual sport as well as a team sport. This is especially true if you have a full squad. Now if you 3-5 wrstlers out then really wrestling turns into a more individual sport. I personally enjoy coaching my big guys in the room they have a great work ethic and awesome attitudes. I would not want to be coaching anybody else really. I hope that they continue to have this attitude because when they become old and beat up like me they are going to need those qualities so they can get out of bed every morning they can go to work.
Posted By: Coach Luedke Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/13/02 12:19 PM
Well has been I am sorry for stepping on your toes but right now I work with the heavy guys and I am trying to instruct them on how to be aggressive and win. It just seems like the heavy guys think they have to go for the big throw when they really do not have to. They need to shoot, shoot, shoot, and score, score, score. The matches that I have seen is the first period goes push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The second period bottom man gets an escape then push, push, push, dance, dance, dance. The third period goes bottom gets a reversal and near fall then the match ends in a fall. Thanks for correcting me on the jeff boyle thing I should have remembered Norton instead of st. Francis. Boyle was exciting to watch because he wrestled and did takedowns. He is a great kid. I agree with you has been in that coaches need to teach thier big guys how to wrestle. That is what I am attempting to do. However when a majority of heavies go upper body you still have to coach the traditonal stuff so they can feel it coming. I would also like to state that the heavies match does not have to decide the dual. According to federation rules you can mix the matches up. You could even wrestle heavies first if you want and leave the dual up to 103. The arguement that the big guy decides the dual is not valid at all. In a dual every match decides the outcome. That is what is great about the sport of wrestling it is an individual sport as well as a team sport. This is especially true if you have a full squad. Now if you 3-5 wrstlers out then really wrestling turns into a more individual sport. I personally enjoy coaching my big guys in the room they have a great work ethic and awesome attitudes. I would not want to be coaching anybody else really. I hope that they continue to have this attitude because when they become old and beat up like me they are going to need those qualities so they can get out of bed every morning and go to work.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/13/02 11:07 PM
Hasbeen, just to inform you, when Razor dropped down to 215lbs. I beat him twice that year. I was a sophmore and he was a senior. He didn't walk through this weight class. He beat me in state in double overtime. So I guess that you might want to change your thought about him dominating 215lbs.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/13/02 11:13 PM
And for you "Bring It," if Venegas was in my weight class at 215lbs when I was in school, he would't of even placed. And by the way, he didn't win state at 215lbs.,it was heavyweight
Posted By: appwrestling Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/14/02 12:40 AM
When Razor was at 215 he had 3 overtime matches at state that he did win so he didn't walk away with it. But he was very good that weekend.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/14/02 12:40 AM
Also "Bring It," if me and Venegas wrestled, it would be the other way around.
Posted By: appwrestling Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/14/02 12:42 AM
Venegas did win state at Heavuweight and yes he does shot and that helps him alot with the big guys. But you can't even say how he would do at 215 because he's not in that weight.
Posted By: hasbeen Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/14/02 04:13 AM
Coach Luedke, you are not stepping on my toes at all. I am happy that you are working with the heavyweights, but just because you are working with them does not mean you respect them. Because you obviously do not. You are stepping on the toes of the heavyweights that you coach. Chris Westfal, I am glad to hear you beat Razor. That is wonderful, but if you do not beat him at state (where it counts) it does not really matter now does it. A win is a win regardless of overtime! By the way Westfal what was your best placing at state? I was just trying to point out the fact that a heavyweight can win state at a lighter weight just as easily as a lighter weight can win state at heavyweight ( my examples of Razor and Frazier.) All I want is more respect for heavyweights! I know that in a dual everyone is equally important. That is the great thing about wrestling. It just seems to me that a lot of fans, coaches, and other wrestlers do not respect the heavyweights.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 12:29 AM
Hasbeen, you said that Razor walked through the 215lbs. weight class. My point is that he did not walk through 215lbs. if he walked through it that would mean he had no competition. I beat him twice. He didn't walk through me did he. And as for state, I would like to make a point. Razor is a good staller. Why do you think he went into 3 overtime matches at state. I'm not making any excuses because he beat me fair and square. But, what I am trying to say is that the stalling went his way in that match, taking us into double overtime where he won the flip. In that match, the crowd and my coach were furious because I would keep shooting and shooting, and he wouldn't try any takedowns. What made me mad about that is that I was doing all the moves while he was just going out of bounds. So you might want to get your facts straight about the match before you bag on it. I know he beat me, and there is nothing I can say or do to take that back now, but if your going to bag on me about a match you don't even know the facts about, that pisses me off. Did you see that match? If you did you wouldn't be saying what you did.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 01:17 AM
Also, Appwrestling, you make a good point. I don't know if Venegas would do good or not in the 215lbs weight class. All I was doing was posting my thoughts. At 215lbs they are used to shooting a lot and being shot on a lot. Venegas isn't. He might have a descent shot, but he is used to shooting on a heavyweight which, in general, does not have the reaction time that a 215lbs'er has. Now, there are those heavyweights that are pretty quick, But not many that I've seen. He might be able to adapt ok but i don't think that he is used to defending his lower body as much as most 215lb'ers are. I think if a good 215lb'er were to shoot a good shot on him he would have a little bit of trouble. Take Joe Neidere (however you spell it) for example. The state finals match with about 15 seconds left Joe was beating Venegas. Then Venegas shot and took him down easily. In a 215lbs match it wouldn't be that easy. He would have to work for it a lot harder. And if the 215lb'er had any speed what so ever, Venegas wouldn't of got the takedown.
Now, there is someone that did adjust good and he became a 2 time state champion. He wasn't necessarily a heavyweight, but he was used to wrestling heavyweight in club wrestling until his sophmore year. Josh Carrol from Olathe North didn't shoot much his freshman year. He wrestled more like a heavyweight. I beat him at state that year because I was the aggressor. I shot. Then I wrestled him my senior year and he was a totally different wrestler. He shot a lot. And he had a good shot. He beat me at state that year in the second round. He started working on his shot his sophmore year and he said that he improved so much. I know this because I talked to him. He adjusted to a lighter, Quicker weight and was very successful. So I'm not saying that Venegas couldn't do that. All I'm saying is that what he is used to right now he might not be as successful at 215lbs. But I could be wrong. That is just my opinion. I'm not a S#%t talker, I'm just expressing my feelings. And I have nothing against Venegas, he's a good wrestler. All I'm doing is expressing my opinion.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 01:25 AM
BY THE WAY, I HAVE RESPECT FOR HEAVYWEIGHTS. I USED TO BE ONE. I USED TO WRESTLE LIKE A HEAVYWEIGHT, BUT I ADJUSTED BECAUSE I WENT A LIGHTER WEIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I CAN EXPRESS THESE FEELINGS BECAUSE I USED TO BE ONE AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE IN BOTH WORLDS (HEAVYWEIGHT AND 215LBS).
Posted By: Prant Garker Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 02:02 AM
Sounds to me like Mr. Westfahl is a little too caught up in his high school days. (Just my opinion.) I looked at his bracket, and it was a very tough bracket indeed. However, I believe four of the six placers his senior year came back the NEXT year, as well as a placer from 189 who moved to 215 (Frandin), and a new state champ altogether in Hemmerling. (I may be a year off, I'm not sure.) So, Mr. Westfahl, contrary to what you implied (but never actually stated), your 215 senior year was not the "most impossible bracket ever." (Again, you never actually said that, but that was the flavor of your post.)
I think perhaps you should stop living in the past, and leave Mr. Venegas alone. There's no way to tell about his shot on Niederee (sp?) and if that would have worked at 215, because obviously Venegas would have been quicker too. I think before you get on here and talk all this junk on Venegas, you should realize that you yourself didn't place, and even for a high school graduate, your punctuation, spelling, and grammar is usually off. Sounds like a hasbeen is jealous of a very deserving state champ. (Just my opinion.)
Posted By: appwrestling Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 02:13 AM
Chris I know that you wrestled HWT before and I wrestled you twice at state when you where a Soph and Senior years. I'm just saying Adam adjusted to that type of wrestling because he had to. I practiced with adam for four years and he learned to wrestle the way he does now. At state last year the finals match would not have been even close if I would have not lost the match before to Hemerling. I know what your saying about this topic but you can't tell how they would wrestle at a different weight. Also I wish the best of luck to Hutchison high this year and Coach Mike Garcia. Does anybody know what Hemerling is doing next year football or wrestling.
Posted By: wrestlingcoach Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 04:53 PM
i think that westfahl needs to zip it about how good he did and his style. did u win? no did venegas win? yes there u go
Posted By: Newbill Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 09:05 PM
If a heavyweight had my record 6-0, he would never get as much recognition as I will. And basicly thats because I condition harder, my matches have more action. Also most heavyweights have the same technique, lock and throw, 103 pounders have many different techniques.
Posted By: wrestlingcoach Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 10:07 PM
you seem very confident newbill, but heavyweights have techniques and they condition as hard as you, they just may not run as fast becasue they are bigger. this is pretty obvious and it seems like you dont know much about wrestling or fitness
Posted By: Cottonball Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/15/02 10:36 PM
Newbill thanks for making me laugh everytime you write a post.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/16/02 12:13 AM
By the way Luigi, I wasn't even talking about my bracket my senior year. I wrestled Razor my sophmore year. The only thing I mentioned about my senior year is that I wrestled Josh Carrol (I assume that he is appwrestling). By the way how are you doing up there?
But, anyway, another thing is that I don't care what you say about my punctuation because I am trying to type fast and I am a little pissed off about people talking s#%t to me about matches I've had in the past when they don't even know how the matches went. Also, I am not talking crap on Venegas. He is a good wrestler. All I am saying is my opinion about him if he were in a lower weight class. That's all. I'm not a s#%t talker, and I believen doing it on the mat. So before you people start judging me, read everything I wrote and you will see that I was not talking s#%t, I was just stating my opinion, which I thought was what this talk forum was for.
Posted By: kolat119 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/16/02 12:20 AM
First a little note to newbill, i have seen many big guys run a 40 faster than the smaller guys, and the heavyweights may not have too much action in their matches but when that one throw finally comes it rocks the whole house, compared to a little trip by the little guys, not bashing on the little guys because i'm a 112 pounder, but all the matches are fun to watch in their own way, us little guys have the fast intense take downs, and the big guys have the "rock tha house" throws.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/16/02 12:25 AM
And by the way, I'm not stuck on my high school years. There are a few matches from high school that still bother me. But that's just life. Right now I'm looking into what I am going to do this next year, continue coaching or to go wrestle at Fort Hays.
Now I'll admit, my bracket my senior year was pretty tough, and I didn't wrestle very good in state that year, but I wasn't making any excuses about it. In fact I didn't even mention it. So for Luigi, you need to get your facts straight before you say that I was talking about my state bracket my senior year and that I was still living in my highschool days.
Posted By: CHRIS WESTFAHL Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/16/02 12:37 AM
Luigi, by the way, if you were to look at my sophmore and junior year you would have seen that I did place.
Posted By: Newbill Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/16/02 01:31 AM
When I say most heavyweights, I don't mean ALL heavyweights. There are a few heavyweights that come with that little extra, like Venegas.
Posted By: Coach Luedke Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/17/02 12:27 PM
Hasbeen I believe that you are getting the wrong picture here. I respect heavies alot. I want to teach them how to wrestle. I am real proud of my j.v. Kid. He wrestled this last weekend and won his j.v. tournament. He wrestled very well with good solid techniques. 3-0. He is very athletic and quick.
Posted By: willy Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/18/02 02:24 AM
We all need to stop dissing the heavyweights until we've wrestled the weight class.
Posted By: just_a_fan Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/18/02 02:38 AM
heavyweight is one of the most fun weights to watch because you have such a wide range in weight you get 200 ponders wrestling the 270 pound boys so you get to see two different styles a quick wrestler over a slow powerful wreslter.
Posted By: Prant Garker Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/18/02 03:07 AM
I agree. Heavies are so fun to watch. Last year I watched Skinny Benny (Friedrichs of Marysville) wrestle Fat Pat (Muir of Stockton) at Beloit, and it was a great match. Once you get past all of the jiggling, you realize that there really is some interesting stuff that goes on.
Posted By: kswrestler55 Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/18/02 04:29 AM
luigi does wrestle like a fat man eventhough he shouldnt but heavy ppl are the best because they are the funny ppl and they are good matches
Posted By: Bobby Bovaird Re: Heavyweight Respect!? - 12/18/02 10:42 AM
I remember back when I was in junior high school, we used to call our heavy weight "Denver." That all came from this old cartoon from our younger days called "Denver the Last Dinosaur." The heavy weights were dinosaurs because they all had large bodies and small brains. Now, we call them "ogres," because they're ugly and smell funny.

Just kidding, it's all in good fun. I used to be a middle weight, but now that I've suffered a few college years, I've "grown" a bit. Now, I'm involved in working with the heavyweights, or ogres. The guys I coach with and work with give me a lot of grief, but I've learned to respect them fatty, stinky, slow-movin' ogres.

They've got some adversities that they have to overcome directly because of their, um, larger girths. I know others have touched on this topic, so I won't dig in too deeply - shots. Try teaching a big guy how to shoot a hi-c and convince him that if he hits it correctly that he won't get his nose flattened by 200+ lbs. of ogre-meat. And then try to teach that same kid how to hit a sweep single. I hate to stereotype them, but heavier weights often lack that little thing we call athleticism. They work hard at being able to hit a technique like a sweep - and when they master it, it is impressive!

I guess I'm also a little biased - I loved Greco-Roman back in my day (all those many years ago?) and I love watching people get tossed. I guess you see more tosses in the upper 3-4 weights (sometimes I consider 171, 189, ans 215 to technically be ogres). All it takes is a little patience. Keep your eyes open a little longer than you think they could possibly remain open, and you will see that ogre hit an amazing move (I'm really exaggerating here; it happens quite often) and you will be impressed by it.
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