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Posted By: Curtis Chenoweth 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/18/05 04:25 AM
How many seniors to be in 4a will be going for their 4th state placing in 4 attempts next year? What weight and school? I know Erisman of Desoto will be going for a placing again and should be a favorite to win. Will he go 160 or 152 again?
Posted By: Dean Welsh Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 02:45 AM
I know he took second place last year. How did Erisman do the other years? What is his career record and will he be a senior this year?

It amazes me that he does so well nationally (teching a HS national champ!) - yet hasn't been a HS KS state champ yet. (i mean no disrespect to Erisman - he is an awesome wrestler).
Posted By: Trego Wrestler Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 02:53 AM
he took 2nd to ludeke his fr. year is all i know.
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 03:10 AM
Malay you don't know much anyway....

Anyway the summer wrestling is a different style which can mean a huge difference in some kids, the way they train in the "off season" can make a difference, how serious they take it can also mean it, and on and on and on there's too many variables to try and figure out. He has had some good competition though in High School in Zahm, Luedke and the other escapes me..... Maybe Kansas is just that deep I mean Luedke is a Naitonal Champion?

Alex
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 01:24 PM
I think these records are right....

Neil Erisman:

Freshman: 33-1, 2nd place (Luedke)
Sophomore: 31-2, 3rd place (Wiscomb and Vernon,OK)
Junior: 41-1, 2nd place (Zahm)

As dominating as he is in Folkstyle, his trapped arm gut makes him a better Freestyle wrestler. We'll see Neil at a Big 12 school in two years. Being an OU grad, I hope he becomes a Sooner!
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Renegade:
I think these records are right....

Neil Erisman:

Freshman: 33-1, 2nd place (Luedke)
Sophomore: 31-2, 3rd place (Wiscomb and Vernon,OK)
Junior: 41-1, 2nd place (Zahm)

As dominating as he is in Folkstyle, his trapped arm gut makes him a better Freestyle wrestler. We'll see Neil at a Big 12 school in two years. Being an OU grad, I hope he becomes a Sooner!
Won't hold it against you being an OU grad! LOL, I think he will more than likely show up at a Big XII school as well, but you never know.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Sweazy:
Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Renegade:
I think these records are right....

Neil Erisman:

Freshman: 33-1, 2nd place (Luedke)
Sophomore: 31-2, 3rd place (Wiscomb and Vernon,OK)
Junior: 41-1, 2nd place (Zahm)

As dominating as he is in Folkstyle, his trapped arm gut makes him a better Freestyle wrestler. We'll see Neil at a Big 12 school in two years. Being an OU grad, I hope he becomes a Sooner!
Won't hold it against you being an OU grad!
Speaking for yourself of course Aaron! I have to admit, you don't see OU and grad used much in the same sentence these days.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 07:09 PM
Sportsfan02,

It's lonely on top...

Coming from a school that stresses academics, it's also nice to add 7 National titles each in the two primary sports, Wrestling and Football.

KU has a cute little program though. Keep after it.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Renegade:
Sportsfan02,

It's lonely on top...

Coming from a school that stresses academics, it's also nice to add 7 National titles each in the two primary sports, Wrestling and Football.

KU has a cute little program though. Keep after it.
Sorry not a KU fan either. Keep those trophies shined because with the schollarship reductions the NCAA is getting ready to put on the dirt burglars because of low graduation numbers, future trophies will be harder to come by.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/19/05 09:14 PM
KU is having sanctions on them too. Looks like Mangino might get the can if they don't do something soon.
Posted By: Computerized Shoes Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/20/05 05:42 AM
I'll be returning to place for my 4th year in a row. Hopefull this time I'll take the gold.
Posted By: Dean Welsh Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/20/05 08:58 PM
who are you shoes? Good luck in your quest for the gold!
Posted By: Computerized Shoes Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 07/20/05 11:57 PM
Don't listen to shoes....he's an idiot.

Love, Andrew Gossett
Posted By: N. Zahm Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/03/05 02:47 PM
Tristen Deshazer will be very dominant next year. I would be very surprised to see him lose.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/03/05 04:21 PM
I'm pretty sure Erisman will be at 171 next year. He is projected at 165 for college.
Posted By: Chief Renegade Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/03/05 04:24 PM
Nick Shumate and Larry Perez probably won't lose until they meet up at 112 or 119.
Posted By: raider_wrestler Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/11/05 07:54 PM
i know tanner dawson out of abliene is going for three for sure but i'm not sure how he did his freshman year anyone know? Also strawn is going for lucky #4 and will proly get it pretty easily.
Posted By: Pups4Ever Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/11/05 10:31 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by sportsfan02:
Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Renegade:
Sportsfan02,

It's lonely on top...

Coming from a school that stresses academics, it's also nice to add 7 National titles each in the two primary sports, Wrestling and Football.

KU has a cute little program though. Keep after it.
Sorry not a KU fan either. Keep those trophies shined because with the schollarship reductions the NCAA is getting ready to put on the dirt burglars because of low graduation numbers, future trophies will be harder to come by.
Hey, sorry to tell you this, but you are TOTALLY WRONG.

The "low graduation numbers" are from about '95-'99. According to ESPN.com and the Associated Press, Oklahoma has one of the highest graduation rates in the Big XII and in the NCAA.

Ok, let's erase the bids and try again...
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/12/05 01:46 AM
Pups will you ever learn?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-01-16-our-view_x.htm
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/12/05 07:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by raider_wrestler:
i know tanner dawson out of abliene is going for three for sure but i'm not sure how he did his freshman year anyone know? Also strawn is going for lucky #4 and will proly get it pretty easily.
Tanner didn't qualify his freshman year.
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/12/05 10:33 AM
Other links with the articles, notice OU's Coach Sampson comments in the first article.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2003/0324/1528923.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1533643&type=story

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney05/news/story?id=2014449

A good commentary on the University's responsibility: http://www.nwamorningnews.com/pdfarchive...rates,%20espn\'

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2003-09-03-grad-rates_x.htm
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/12/05 06:57 PM
" Black players are less likely than whites to finish their careers with degrees, according to the study of NCAA graduation rates."

DUH...Blacks are NBA bound as multimillionaires, I would pass up an education for $$$. You can always come back for it.

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I really want to know why they are going off on just the black graduation rate, they shouldn't be saying oh he's black and he didn't graduate. They should be saying: He is a student athlete...he has the athlete part down but obviously forgot the student part.

Whether your black, white, or brown if you don't graduate you shouldn't be separated into genres of people because it makes for poor unrealistic results that aren't true of all colleges.
Posted By: sportsfan02 Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/12/05 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Sweazy:
" Black players are less likely than whites to finish their careers with degrees, according to the study of NCAA graduation rates."

DUH...Blacks are NBA bound as multimillionaires, I would pass up an education for $$$. You can always come back for it.

_______________________________________________

I really want to know why they are going off on just the black graduation rate, they shouldn't be saying oh he's black and he didn't graduate. They should be saying: He is a student athlete...he has the athlete part down but obviously forgot the student part.

Whether your black, white, or brown if you don't graduate you shouldn't be separated into genres of people because it makes for poor unrealistic results that aren't true of all colleges.
While the calculation method may be flawed don't let the universities who are not interested in educating their athletes fool you into thinking that is the reason for their low graduation rates. The fact remains, ALL universities are being judged by the same standard and are being compared to each other on an equal basis.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: 4a returning 3 time placers? - 08/14/05 03:30 AM
Does that mean a school like Grambling can say they graduate 0% white basketball players?
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