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Posted By: wrestlingfan171 Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 03:15 AM
If any one knows the resluts for the meet would you please post them. thanks.
Posted By: kansas wrestling Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 03:34 PM
Can someone please post these results or tell me where I can find them?
Posted By: sfrench Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 04:05 PM
Here are the results from the Topeka Capital Journal.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/032902/spo_wrestling.shtml
Posted By: sfrench Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 04:08 PM
Since my link won't work.

EAST 37, WEST 32

103 -- Dereck Smith, Wichita Northwest, dec. A.J. Hickman, Lincoln, 4-1. 112 -- Devin Schwartz, Great Bend, won by tech. fall over James Ball, BV North, 17-1. 119 -- Doug Hoover, Kapaun, dec. Trevor Charbonneau, Clay Center. 125 -- Blake Trullinger, SM Northwest, dec. Brian Olsen, Oberlin, 5-0. 130 -- Emery McReynolds, Columbus, pinned Nick Munoz, Hutchinson, 3:18; Ryan Lien, Goddard, dec. Nick Johnson, Minneapolis, 8-6. 135 -- Luke Wise, Plainville, pinned Kyle Breese, Mulvane, 2:32. 140 -- Mark Dugan, Bishop Carroll, maj. dec. Andy Rexroad, Maize, 16-7. 145 -- Josh Gentry, Rossville, dec. Matt Dukes, Basehor-Linwood, 4-3; Jared Vogel, Bishop Carroll, dec. Nick Chrisman, Campus, 10-2. 152 -- Adam Tieben, Dodge City, dec. Kenny Brown, Bishop Carroll, 6-4. 160 -- Jonathan Walter, Manhattan, dec. Jake Gardner, Lincoln, 7-6. 171 -- Jeff Pruitt, Ellsworth, pinned Jason Stockham, Kapaun, 3:19; Gabe Conaghan, Aquinas, dec. Brad Riemann, Valley Center, 6-3. 189 -- Justin Dyer, Olathe South, won by tech. fall over Jeff Mortimer, Minneapolis, 16-1. 215 -- Blake Seiler, Bishop Carroll, dec. T.J. Staab, Plainville, 3-1. 275 -- Witt Hinton, Baldwin, dec. Mark Kline, KC Turner, 9-7 OT; Andrew Ubben, Phillipsburg, dec. Kevin Pulliam, KC Harmon, 1-0.
Posted By: kansas wrestling Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 04:11 PM
Thank You for posting the results,found it interesting Ubben's was so close.And I have to say I did not expect Staub to lose his.
Posted By: nhsgrad215 Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 05:03 PM
People are talkin like pullium is a push over or something, he proved last night against ubben that he is no joke, I would look for him to do good things at nationals ubben to.
Posted By: stiknmove Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 05:35 PM
Pulliam is definitely not a push over, but he did a great job of blocking off and circling last night to keep Ubben off him. I don't think that he was ever really in the match, but he kept it close and gave himself opportunities.
Posted By: ssss Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 05:44 PM
it says above that the score was 1-0 so he was obviously in the match the whole time good luck at nationals kevin
Posted By: stiknmove Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 06:00 PM
He didn't initiate much of the action. It seemed that Ubben was chasing him around most of the match. From the other matches I've seen Kevin wrestle, that did not seem to be his style. I wish him the best of luck at nationals as well. I thought that the score was 3-1, but I guess I was wrong. That's beside the point though. I don't think that the match was as close as the score indicated, Ubben controlled the tempo and action of the match. That was the point I was trying to make.
Posted By: RW Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 06:16 PM
Hey Stik;
Hummm, 1-0, a runaway win for Ubben. Anyway you cut it 1-0 is pretty squeaky tight.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 06:31 PM
What was the result of the Charbonneau vs. Hoover match-up? That sounded like an interesting pairing.
Posted By: sfrench Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 07:45 PM
Hoover 3-2.
Posted By: JFinkeldei Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 07:57 PM
I am the assistant coach at Bishop Carroll and I have watched for weeks now as people (i.e. ssss and crowley) bash Seiler, and watch others praise Dukes as the best 145 pounder in the state while Vogel ranks somewhere below Dukes and Chrisman. I have not said anything because I believe wrestling should speak for itself.
Well last night it did. Seiler beat Staab the best in the state (as he did Hemmerling and everyone else he faced). Dukes once again lost, and Vogel handled the undefeated Chrisman.
I don't like to talk trash or want to incite more insults between you guys, I just think we should let the results speak for themselves.
And if you need more proof let us see how everyone does at High School Nationals. Whoever does better there should be able to stand on those merits.
Posted By: stiknmove Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/29/02 08:58 PM
RW, I never claimed that it was a runaway match for Ubben, just thought that the score was a little misleading to the actual match, that's all. If you'd pay a little more attention to what is actually said in my posts I wouldn't have to repeat myself.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/30/02 03:04 AM
I am sort of mystified as to why everyone piles on Matt Dukes. I know the kid and I think he is a good one. By the way the kid that beat him in the Kansas Missouri match was a load and he would have been tough on anyone anywhere. Fisher is a pretty talented dude. Matt is a good kid and a good wrestler. He doesnt make any excuses when he loses and he is a darn good competitor and I enjoy watching him go at it. Hey he is a high school kid doing the best he can and it has been pretty good. I know you are all trying to make a point about this kid or that kid but why do it at his expense. He must be pretty good a lot of you have spent a lot of time thinking about him on here in topics that have nothing to do with him. Give him a break.
Posted By: 321a Wrestler Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/31/02 02:42 AM
Not to take anything away from Sellar but Staab looked nowhere near the way he did this seasson. And it seemed Pulliman ran from Ubben a lot. It woudnt of even been close had that happen. But I would have to say one of the biggest upsets of the nite was Wise's pin over Breeze.
Posted By: PanFluteMaster Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/31/02 02:24 PM
Seiler took a lot of wrestlers out of their game plan this year and made them look like they were just having a very bad day. I was just Staab's turn.
Posted By: buffdaddy04 Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/31/02 05:27 PM
How can you say that about matt dukes? How can you say that Blake takes people out of their game when my boy matt dukes is such an explosive wrestler?!!!
Posted By: takedowns Re: Results for East Vs. West - 03/31/02 06:07 PM
321aWrestler,
You typically don't look as good when you wrestle someone better than you.
Posted By: 321a Wrestler Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/01/02 04:04 AM
In my opinion Staab totally dominated about the first 3 minutes. I do know Staab wasnt in as good as condition as he was in around state time. Which is why Sellar dominated the last 3 minutes. Another thing to look at is Staab hasnt had the competion as Sellar had this season.
Posted By: stiknmove Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/01/02 02:30 PM
You think that because Staab hasn't had the competition that Seiler has had may be the reason that Staab didn't look as good Thursday? I am also not sure that Staab dominated the first 3 minutes. He did counter Seiler's shots well and had a single a couple of times which were countered well by Seiler, on their feet it seemed to be a pretty even match-up. Conditioning is almost as much a part of the sport as technique.
Posted By: Static Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/01/02 03:50 PM
I have some things to say about Dukes, I also don't understand why everyone piles on him just because he looses he is only human just like the rest of us people have good days and people have bad and some people have luck and some don't, but if anyone saw him loose to Gentry then hopefully they will understand what I am talking about when I say it takes a real man and wrestler to lose a match and fight until the end, and way less of a man and wrester to sit on the score and hold on just so he can win at the end of the match and proves nothing but he has good grip and cheap skills...I am sure all of you out there would rather lose a match and know you faught to the end and gave it all you had than rather just pass by sitting on time. which is what happened at the match, But for the rest of the wrestlers on both sides good job, and good luck to all those going to nationals, Oh and Dukes losing 2 in a row might have been a good thing because now he will be hungry for a win.
Posted By: stiknmove Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/01/02 05:39 PM
So, are you trying to say that instead of Dukes laying on bottom begging the ref to call stalling with 20 seconds left he should have been kicking and crawling and fighting the hands to try to at least get 1? Also, it looked like Dukes was trying to sit on the time as well until he got reversed. He wasn't coming off the hips any more than Gentry did in the last 20 seconds. It was a good, hard fought match, the outcome of which could be different if they wrestled again. Stop trying to make excuses when someone loses. Maybe instead of giving up the reversal with 20 seconds left, Dukes should have just given Gentry the escape and work on his feet, which he was doing a pretty good job of.
Posted By: Static Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/01/02 08:14 PM
I am not making excuses for anyone losing, Dukes did try to get away, but when he realized what Gentry was doing and going to continue to do why try? But I could see him trying to get out. I also know it was a good match and am not taking that from either one of them, but Gentry should have tried harder to keep the win instead of sitting in time, Thats just what I would have done so people don't get on the forum and talk about him like I am doing, but like is said i am not trying to take anything from him
Posted By: buffdaddy04 Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/02/02 01:37 AM
what would you define as making an excuse? looks to me like you are, in fact, it's grossly obvious that you are. Why can't you just admit that Dukes lost fair and square. The only reason people say anything when Dukes loses is people like you.
Posted By: shaun moore Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/02/02 08:15 PM
on the matt dukes josh gentry match they are both excellent wrestlers i have watched both of them grow and get better. but to me riding a guy out for the last 20 seconds of the match is just good wrestling because why try an take a chance and put yourself in bad position and give up a cheap 2 points that way, any body that knows anything about wrestling knows that it is just as hard to ride a guy when your winning by a point with 20 seconds left than it is to get away when your down by a point with 20 seconds left. good job to both wrestlers you guys are both great.

shaun moore
Posted By: Static Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/02/02 08:35 PM
I understand what you are saying but maby its just me but I rather wrestle the whole match hard, but then I have never been put in that situation and would probably try and do anything to hang on just for the win so who knows. But I do understand were you are coming from.
Posted By: Nigel Isom Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/02/02 08:41 PM
I have to agree with Shaun on this one, If you are ahead and there is only 20 seconds lift you should back off and keep in good position, not just try something stupid. I don't mean just sit on the hips and stall but at least try to keep good control.
Posted By: cardinals141 Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/03/02 01:21 PM
static> that post u wrote made no sense. u would rather lose, and wrestle hard till the end, than win by hanging on?? that is just good wrestling. u don't try and pin someone when u are ahead by 1 point late in the match. and apparently dukes didn't try hard enough to get out. a win is a win no matter how u come by it
Posted By: RW Re: Results for East Vs. West - 04/03/02 01:58 PM
I get a kick out of people who think stalling is a vulgar ugly act. Anyone who says they would never stall has never been ahead by two points in a big match with a warning and a stall point to give away. Stalling has as much to do with winning in the NCAA tournament as takedowns do. Those guys are expert at it. It's the referee's job to call it and the wrestlers job to make up his mind if it is worth it by risk. A wrestler with the lead that loses because he is not smart enough to pull in his horns and be a little defensive isn't using all the tools at his disposal. Just like the intentional foul in basketball, the pass intereference to keep from giving up a touchdown, blocking in racing, it is a stategy that you use from time to time. If you haven't ever stalled a little you haven't really been in too many big matches with the lead.
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