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Posted By: Anonymous best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 02:44 AM
What are the top 15 high schools in the nation
Posted By: BigPin22 Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 02:49 AM
Hoxie is #1, just ask the people out West!!!!
Then Blair Academy NJ.
Posted By: rocknraider Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 02:51 AM
i dont know if they r first, but Apple Valley has to get some respect.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:12 AM
Go the the NCAA next month and chart how many Ohio and Penn wrestlers are in the semi's and the finals. There are a ton of unreal teams in those two states as well as in Iowa and Oklahoma
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:25 AM
Top 25 PreSeason are:

1. Blairstown (NJ) Blair Academy
2. Chesapeake (VA) Great Bridge
3. St. Paris (OH) Graham
4. Northampton (PA)
5. Lakewood (OH) St. Edward
6. Easton (PA) High School
7. Poway (CA)
8. Absecon (NJ) Absegami
9. Vacaville (CA)
10. New Lenox (IL) Providence
11. Davison (MI)
12. Evansville (IN) Mater Dei
13. Apple Valley (MN)
14. Clovis (CA)
15. Owatonna (MN)
16. Brandon (FL)
17. Carol Stream (IL) Glenbard North
18. Emmetsburg/Armstrong-Ringsted (IA)
19. Paulsboro (NJ)
20. Edmond (OK) North
21. Pickerington (OH)
22. Easton (PA) Wilson Area
23. Milton (WI)
24. Broken Arrow (OK)
25. El Reno (OK)
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:32 AM
Current NWCA Rankings. Note #25.

1. Blairstown (NJ) Academy
2. Lakewood (OH) St. Edward
3. St. Paris (OH) Graham
4. Chesapeake (VA0 Great Bridge
5. Absecon (NJ) Absegami
6. Easton (PA) High School
7. Northampton (PA)
8. Poway (CA)
9. Carol Stream (IL) Glenbard North
10. Evansville (IN) Mater Dei
11. Apple Valley (MN)
12. Massillon (OH) Perry
13. Central Point (OR) Crater
14. Davison (MI)
15. Brandon (FL)
16. Cuyahoga Falls (OH) Walsh Jesuit
17. Inver Grove Heights (MN) Simley
18. Chicago (IL) St. Rita
19. Wisconsin Rapids (WI) Lincoln
20. El Reno (OK)
21. Owatonna (MN)
22. Johnson City (NY)
23. Chicago (IL) Marist Catholic
24. Clovis (CA)
25. Parker (CO) Ponderosa
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:34 AM
http://www.nwcaadmin.bluestep.net/my/sha...27245_s_i140950

Here is the individuals. Tanner is ranked #2 in the county.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:34 AM
Any poll that ranks a Florida team in its top twenty is suspect I think.
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:39 AM
It is the National Wrestling Coaches Association. You can go to their website and draw your own conclusions. But, there is a lot of NCAA D-1 talent coming out of Florida and California now. The sport is starting to catch on and numbers are growing. California has over 400 teams alone (in one class with one state champion per weight). Don't be such a skeptic, enjoy the national success.
Posted By: OLTYMER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:44 AM
A great program to check is Omaha Skutt,,great coaches,,,good kids,,
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 03:52 AM
Absolutely. The SkyHawks are a true class program. There are four real good programs in Nebraska right now...Skutt Catholic, Lincoln East, Papillion-LaVista, and Columbus.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:00 AM
I'd like to see a ranking of Public Schools (where they can't recruit), and then 160 students in the high school or less. Then Hoxie has a chance at #1....for reals.
Posted By: GRAPE APE Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:02 AM
No, they are good not that good though
Posted By: AC_WRESTLER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:05 AM
hoxie give me a break what are they 123a thats says enough it's the funniest thing when people talk about them they shouldn't be bragging when you have your own little state by their selves come on your killing me ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:08 AM
Then find another public school with as few of kids out for wrestling and match them up with Hoxie....There isn't many that would win.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:10 AM
Yeah they have been saying that about Florida for a long long time now and they don't seem to go very far when they come out. California is a whole different deal they have been tough for fifty years not to mention about six thousand miles away. I am not a skepic, but I got to see it to believe it.
Posted By: GRAPE APE Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:14 AM
What facts do you have to support that kyle dub? Do they have any nationally ranked wrestlers? Do they compete in tough tornaments outside of Kansas?
Posted By: havid deidrick Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:15 AM
if every state had a grand state and the grand state champs made up a team, who would win a national dual tournament? kansas doesnt have a lot of great teams, but we have a lot of great individuals, as evidenced by our senior national placings last year.
Posted By: AC_WRESTLER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:27 AM
Ark city is on the top 20 greatest teams ever list on nschaa so 11 straight state championships is pretty good have to admit and i wish we could have wrestled little hoxie it would have been a masacre im out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:47 AM
I have no evidence....I'm just sayin find another small school and I'd love to see a dual. Its too bad it will never happen. The great thing about a forum is that people can speak their mind, its not about making a comment and gettin ridiculed for it. I honestly believe what I speak and if you dissagree so what. Where's your proof. As for Ark City another great great team, curious though which was the best year out of the 11? I'd like to take that year and wrestle Hoxie's team this year...no massacure, just a great dual. This is what i firmly believe....tell me I'm wrong if you want, I don't care. What ya gonna do take my birthday away.
Posted By: AC_WRESTLER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 04:58 AM
do you really think it would be close are you supposed to be taking drugs during season like that give me a break the worst one of the eleven would beat the best hoxie team lets just figure duel wise so it wouldn't get out of hand 50 to 3 we usually don't have too good of heavy weights
Posted By: AC_WRESTLER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:05 AM
so kyle has hoxie ever been ranked top 20 in the nation I have been on 3 ark city teams that have been, and thats not counting a couple other times im not dogging hoxie their pretty good for some farm kids and practices on goats and sheeps you know thats a pretty good acomplishment to beat on kids that probally don't have wrestling until high school jim rome out
Posted By: Big Poppa Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:06 AM
Hoxie would beat Ark City this year. Ive seen both teams wrestle this year and Hoxie in my opinion is stronger in the lower weights. Especially when both Schamburgers are on, as well as farber. Usually Gilliand, Spillman, and both Schippers kids are on. As well as the 160 pounder for Hoxie. I just think, that since you AC wrestler coming from such a storied program wouldnt get on here and embarass yourself and your school like you did. By saying that little hoxie, and little state, etc..... You dont see any Hoxie wrestlers on here talking smack on other schools. You should know just like I know, each team puts 14 wrestlers on the mat and they let the wrestlers do the talking. Hoxie has been very good the past couple of decade or longer, the same with Ark City. They may have not one as many state championships as Ark City has in a row or whatever. I do know that they are going for there 10th this year, and with a little luck and a lot of good wrestling they should get it. The same applies to Ark City. I just think that Hoxie and Ark City are the two best teams in the state, and its a shame that they do no get to wrestle.( also hoxie and ark city have wreslted some of the same competition and hoxie as defeated those opponets by more. I know this dosent mean much, but its a interesting sidenote.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:10 AM
Thank You BigPoppa!
Posted By: AC_WRESTLER Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:16 AM
are you kidding me putting the two together is just wrong i am about to die, this sh it is not even making sense ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:20 AM
AC Wrestler, you should crawl out of your ark city cave and look around the state. It would do you good....then once you get out, go to wal-mart and by yourself a clue. thanks.
Posted By: Landon Carver Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 05:51 PM
just a little sidenote cowley county (ark city) has the highest rate of stds in the entire state of kansas. so obviously they are leaving the wrestling department and taking up dirty dirty wh0res. i think ac wrestler just needs to shut up and worry about the burning sensation he has worried so much about.
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: best high school in the nation - 02/11/03 06:15 PM
Just a little FYI, Ark City isn't the only town in Cowley County. Ark City's probably doesn't make up half of Cowley. And on a sidenote, not so sure about this year but Ark City's best year out of all those 11 would definitely take Hoxie this year, i mean come on there was a time when they had two 4 timers on their squad at one time. Anyways thats my two cents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/12/03 02:34 AM
ac_wrestler who are you? your embarassing our city. good wrestlers dont go talk smack on other towns
Posted By: havid deidrick Re: best high school in the nation - 02/12/03 04:34 AM
so is it if your on blairstown varsity roster, you are automaticly nationaly ranked?
Posted By: wrestler one Re: best high school in the nation - 02/12/03 05:17 AM
They are that good (see Stephen Mocco). You have to remember, Blairstown is a boarding school - sort of the wrestling equivalent of Oak Hill Academy in Basketball. They have a Blue Team (varsity) and a White Team (JV) that travel every weekend all over the country (Vegas, Ohio, Virginia, Texas, etc.). They have D-1 recruits on their JV. Big time High School wrestling.
Posted By: takemedown Re: best high school in the nation - 02/12/03 02:54 PM
one of their jv wrestlers placed at senior nationals last year.
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 02:32 AM
Just a note: The 123a vs. 4a, 5a, or 6a is not theorhetical-- from 1930 to 1965 that's the way it was done in Kansas. In those yearsof just one state champion with no excuses, the 1,2,3a teams won 18 state championships. The obviously better 5a and 6a teams won 14, and the 4a teams won 3. It may also be notable that Ark City, with all the hype, was only able to beat everybody when they were all together one time, and Hoxie was not able to win any during that time. If you look at head to head, St Francis and Wichita east look like the dynasties. At any rate, I sure don't see much Ark city stuff when they had to beat everybody.
Posted By: bigkneepads#2 Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 02:54 AM
Ark City has lost to Manhattan this year at Newton. Hoxie beat Manhattan this year at Beloit. 'Nuff said.

P.S. I have a strong feeling that Ark City Wrestler is one of the Cowley County std statistics
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 11:29 AM
one note about the 5a and 6a state: When you win a state title from one of those schools, you have beaten wrestlers from 32 other schools. When you win a 321a title, you have beaten competitors from 72 schools. as Hoxie showed when they beat Manhattan at the Beliot tournament, you only have 14 wrestlers on a team, no matter how many kids youhave in your program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 02:00 PM
there maybe 72 schools, but that does not mean that there is going to be 72 guys that are out for their teams. But in 5a and 6a there are going to a full 32 men.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 02:23 PM
big ups to hoxie. i know that they are not "ranked" but give it up to them. i bet you that they could beat many of those teams and most if not all of those schools are private schools and hoxie is a little public school. give it up for HOXIE!
Posted By: BigPin22 Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 03:46 PM
C'mon, let's get serious!!they don't even have anyone that will be an All American.
Posted By: Phi Gam Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 03:56 PM
Just to be accurate...only six of those teams are private schools from my count.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 04:53 PM
I think that what Hoxie is doing this year is unbelievable. I mean, they have such a limited number of male students (I think I read somewhere around 70)to choose from, all of which I'm sure are not athletes, and that is split between wrestling and basketball. Manhattan, I would imagine, has over 500, at least, male students to choose from. Hoxie beat them (2nd in 6A) and Clay Center (1st in 4A) by 70+ points. That is pretty amazing. There must be something in the water in Western Kansas...
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 07:57 PM
Don't be too sure about the all american, Matt Gilliland is udefeated and is going for state cahmpionship no. 4. He is one tough cookie.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 08:15 PM
Hey Greenback fan do you know Dick Cramer. Old guy reallly really old guy. If you do tell him to get on here and chime in. Tell him I sent you.

On the subject, it is so hard to pick programs but I think easier to pick states. I was amazed when I went to nationals over the last ten years how many kids in the finals and semi's were from Ohio. Those kids have to be coming from somewhere. One of the more underated states is South Dakota. Been several national champs that originated up there and there aren't too many people up there anyway so the ones they have must be pretty tough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 08:52 PM
Correction Gilliand is going for his third state championship, since he is only a junior.
Posted By: GRAPE APE Re: best high school in the nation - 02/13/03 11:17 PM
OK, what elso do you hear that comes out of Hoxie? Nothing. Just wrestling. I have never heard of another sport coming out of Hoxie. Meaning, they have a great kids program or every kid goes out for wrestling and nobody there plays basketball or both. It's still a great accomplishment for such a small school. To the other guy who said they could beat some of the nationally ranked schools----NO.
Posted By: Mike Sample Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 12:14 AM
There's really no way to compare KS teams to those in other states since there is very little team competition with other states. But as a state in general, Kansas has done fairly well in the junior national tournament in recent years. I would be interested in seeing a KS "all-star" team compete with similar teams from surrounding states in a multi-state dual tournament format.

As far as Hoxie goes, I don't know if any kids would be included on this team. But I would be in favor of having Kirk Baker coach the team. Year in and year out, he turns average kids into state placers and good kids into state champions. The amazing thing to me is that they can even fill all the weight classes when they only have 19 kids on the entire team. And just for the record, Hoxie's boys basketball team also placed at state last year.
Posted By: Westfahl Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 02:06 AM
I will tell you another thing Hoxie has and that is a lot of really good people. I have a lot of friends out there and it is a heck of a town. My hope is that we can talk them into coming to the Basehor Tourney next year. I hope you come up Kirk, your kids will have a ball and really enjoy it. We will make it very worth their time. It is a tourney devoted to wrestlers and I think they know that by how we treat them. Here's hoping you give us a try. Your fans will love it too, we have great Barbeque up here man.
Posted By: G Spot Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 03:00 AM
Let's all have a spelling bee.
Posted By: coachtwink Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 03:45 AM
Olex Atto said: "there maybe 72 schools, but that does not mean that there is going to be 72 guys that are out for their teams. But in 5a and 6a there are going to a full 32 men."

Come on get serious. The first year I coached at a 6A regional (your senior year) there were only 5 men in the 112 pound weight class. Obvioulsy all the big 6A school weren't full. The fact is most 5A and 6A programs don't have any more kids out than a good 4A or 3A program. That means that yes a 5A or 6A champ has beat half the number of kids then a 4a or 3-2-1A state champ.
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 04:43 AM
If every weight in the 5a division is full, you have a 50% chance of getting into the state tournament just by making varsity somewhere in 5a. ( 32 teams, 16 state spots. ) if 123a is only 75% full (48) your chances are 1 in three (33%).
numberwise the smaller state is tougher to conquer. Combine 5a6a, and put 4a with 123a, and you'd have a better tournament system, one that means something-- a 16 man district, with an 8 man bracket going into state, 8man at state for 4 places. as it stands now in the larger classes, any combination of two wins and/or byes and off you go to state. Its like the special olympics-- everybody gets a medal. It would then be very difficult for any team to win it more than a couple of times in a row. The qualifier for the state tournament ought to be bigger than a small invitational. This would also satisfy the folks that like the combined venue at wichita, only it would be better because all the good guys would get to wrestle each other.
Posted By: havid deidrick Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 04:58 AM
how did the best high school in the nation turn into how we should change our state tournament format?
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 05:01 AM
evolution
Posted By: mike fairleigh Re: best high school in the nation - 02/14/03 12:26 PM
What I was trying to point out is that it is very difficult for any team is Kansas to look good in a national sense when KSHAA through their multiple state championships and their limitations on how far a team can go to compete and how far away a school is allowed to invite competition to thier tourneys limits the extent to which we are allowed to showcase our better wrestlers. The only people we are able to get rated nationally do so because of what they do on their own in the summer (cadet nat'ls, etc. Until KSHAA allows teams to travel more than 500 miles, like the rated teams do, we will be rated in individual but not team classifications.
and having four different state champions just waters down your chances more. THAT is what the Tournament venue and KSHAA policy has to do with who gets ranked nationally.
Posted By: coachtwink Re: best high school in the nation - 02/15/03 12:32 AM
I don't think the focus of Kansas wrestling should be on getting teams nationally ranked. The KSHSAA has those rules to help protect its atletes. The rankings really mean nothing except to those people who have nothing are not actually wrestling and have nothing better to do.
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