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Posted By: Dooley Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/30/05 11:10 PM
Hey i am going to Australia to wrestle this summer and i am woundering is anyone else
Posted By: -BAG- Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 01:45 AM
Hey your Dooley from Concordia. Your way under-rated man.
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 02:24 AM
is this jake
Posted By: the claw Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 02:55 AM
in yer mind u think yer a big shot....and stop pounding yer legs on the matt u look dum....oh and by the way nobody wants to see u pray on the matt..
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 03:07 AM
to the claw who is this
Posted By: gone Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 03:26 AM
Dooley is good real good
Posted By: gone Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 03:42 AM
hey "the claw" lots of pep pray on the mat anyways
Posted By: the claw Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 01/31/05 08:57 PM
i guess whatever it takes to sike yourself out before a match......but i guess what im suggesting is that u do it when yer not on the matt...there is nothing rong whith it but the way you slap yer thighs before every match is kind of.....well...different i guess.
Posted By: flexiwrestler06 Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/01/05 05:32 PM
who is the "claw"? where does he get off telling people not to pray on the mat? i thought there was freedom of religion in this country.
Posted By: gutwrench1 Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/02/05 03:48 PM
I wrestled an Aborignie (sp?) from Australia once and he kicked my arse.
Posted By: Barr189 Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/02/05 03:54 PM
Im going Dooley.
Posted By: Barr189 Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/02/05 04:42 PM
And Dooley there is nothing wrong with praying anywhere at anytime
Posted By: NurseKs Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/03/05 12:31 AM
Congrats on going to Oz...where at Dooley? Pray all you want buddy...there are many wrestlers that don't have a prayer. How did you get involved in doing this Dooley in going to Oz ?
Posted By: cowboy wrestler Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/03/05 12:45 AM
hey man my congrats on going to Austrulia and like the other kids say keep on praying that is the way to get siked up. I wish that I was good enough to go yo austrila good luck man
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/03/05 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by flexiwrestler06:
who is the "claw"? where does he get off telling people not to pray on the mat? i thought there was freedom of religion in this country.
I personally have nothing wrong with it, whatever gets you motivated, but according to KSHSAA rules a wrestling tournament is a school sponsored event and the separation of church of state law would apply

Alex
Posted By: Aaron Sweazy Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/03/05 04:43 AM
Bronco

As long as the coach isn't forcing him to pray there is nothing wrong with it. I know of teams that have done team prayers together, and I never thougth anything of it, but then again some people are raised different.
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 04:24 AM
well wes f a senior wrestler at my school went last year and told the coaches about me and they sent me a letter
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 04:26 AM
Dustin-

How much is it this year to go? i got my letter to go but i threw it away as it was way too expensive the last two years to go (for me anyway) and i was just curious what the current price is

alex
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 04:30 AM
umm it is like a little under 4,000
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 04:32 AM
but i will proble raise it all
Posted By: Mike Furches Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bronco Wrestler:
I personally have nothing wrong with it, whatever gets you motivated, but according to KSHSAA rules a wrestling tournament is a school sponsored event and the separation of church of state law would apply

Alex
Actually what the constitution says in the First Amendment is:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Student led and initiated prayer, Bible Study, or whatever related to religious (any religion) expression has been upheld in federal courts and the Supreme Court for years. Perceptions like the one made here are actually misperceptions that even educators often have, although, and albeit mistaken. Sometimes they err on the side of caution but that can not be done in such a way that prevents the free exercise of the individual. Group led prayers, or religious activities (specifically by the state or government run organization) is what the Constitution speaks of. The key is student led. This is why you see students at football games often get together to pray after the game and sometimes even before the game. It is why you also see student led Bible studies and activities like FCA taking place at schools. Again, the key is being student led. A link with numerous resources follows: http://www.aclj.org/Issues/InDepth.aspx?ID=40

My son always prays before a match for safety of both wrestlers and that he would do his best. We once had a ref put his hands on my son right before a match, during the prayer, and tell him to get to the center and wrestle and that he should “take care of business before you get on the mat.” This whole process for him only takes about 30 seconds immediately after getting on the mat. He grabs his band, puts it on and says a quick prayer. This was one of the times the ref and I had a “little discussion” at the conclusion of the mat, actually after he cautioned me for saying “I can’t believe what I just saw to the other coach in the corner with me.” By the way it was one of the few times I actually saw where the ref was booed by the spectators at the match.
Posted By: Curtis Rein Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/04/05 03:54 PM
Mike, Thank you for posting this clarification. Many people do not understand the First Amendment and the "separation of church and state" concept. Hopefully your post helped to educate many and clear up some misconceptions.

Sorry to hear about Nathan's experience, but it made me feel good to hear that the referee's actions were obviously not acceptable to many in attendance.

Keep praying Dustin!!!
Posted By: NWKansasmom Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/05/05 12:53 PM
I see nothing wrong with people praying. In fact, it is very admirable to see young kids doing it. Also nice to know they are not praying for the win, but for nobody to get hurt. The problem I have is with doing it on the mat--especially after you have put your leg band on. It is time to wrestle then. If as you say it only takes 30 seconds, in a 16-man bracket if every kid did that, it could prolong the tournament 2 more hours. I know not everybody does or will start doing this but I just think there is plenty of time right before you go on the mat to pray.
Posted By: Dooley Re: Going to Australia to wrestle - 02/06/05 04:31 AM
This is not suppose to be about if i should pray or not this is asking if anybody is going to Australia this summer thats all i want to know so i will start a new topic if you should pray or not and people can write on that one how about that. thanks
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