I was just wondering where I could find the Salina Journal All-Area Team at on the internet. I have been looking and so far I have failed to find it yet. If someone could help me it would be very helpful. Thank You
I do not think that it is on the webb. I call the journal and they told me the team would be featured in this coming saturdays paper. After that it might be on the webb. Thanks and hope that helps.
Yes that does help a lot. Thank you so much. Your help was much needed.
I must say, there are an awful lot of very good wrestlers in the journal today. I do however have to take exception to the 130 pound class, which I might add was loaded with talent, as was several of the other weights. I cant believe that Travis Martin was in the honorable mention group of guys. This is why he should have easily been on the second team if not the first team. Look at his record 40 and 2, look at the second team record with four losses, three of those losses came at the hands of Martin, Zouzas also had two losses, but at least ten fewer matches than Martin and would have wrestled Martin twice this year if he had not been injured. Zouzas lost to Grater and Martin beat him, go figure. I know some will say Zouzas was sick or hurt and I do not dispute that. Most wrestlers have wrestled hurt or sick several times this year including Martin. Look close at the evidence, Martin also had double the pins of Zouzas. I may be a proud father venting a little but somebody got shafted.
I don't think anybody got shafted. There is a first and a second team. Two of the wrestlers were state champions, they deserve first and second team. Period. Sure, Martin beat Johnson during the regular season, but it is the state tournament that everybody points to all season. They just want to be ready for state, and at state it was Johnson that won, not Martin. Martin had an incredible season, but when it mattered the most Johnson got the victory fair and square.
Yes Nick won fair and square, that is not the point that is being made. Also I noticed some of the first team selections did not win the state tournament. If the whole criteria for this is based on the state tournament then there is a problem. THe rest of the season counts. Look at all of the criteria not just one tournament. Just my opinion. I take nothing from these other atheletes. THey have all worked hard and have all accomplished so much. Many of these wrestlers will tell you that they were in much tougher tournaments than state. I just dont think whoever makes these selections took a good hard look at ALL the criteria. If someone knows, they might leave a message as to what exactly is the criteria for the first team, second team, and honorable mention. PLEASE NO TRASH TALK.
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Your right, Zouzas did lose to Grater at the Beloit tournament when he was throwing up which was his only loss of the season, but the week before he beat him at the Newton tournament. "Go figure." Also, Lien happened to beat Johnson at the East/West classic who Martin happened to lose to when it counted.
I thought they all counted. Otherwise we should start keeping records at the qualifiying events and just call the rest of it practice. Listen all of the guys are good, very good, and hard to make a decision. Any one could beat the other on any given match. If this was a horserace it would have been a photo finish.Still would like to know the entire criteria for the selection process. THANKS!!!!!!!
Have you called the people at the Salina Journal to ask them what the criteria is?
No I have not called the journal, but I did send and E-Mail. I am not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here, I am just stating my opinion. I just dont think they looked very hard. THANKS!!!!!!!
Martin didn't win State. Zouzas and Johnson did. N'uff said
Just a casual observation, but I think that Gardner from Lincoln won state and the Norton kid took third, yet the latter was on the first team. Yes I know he beat Gardner earlier, but I guess that does not matter, someone once said.
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I wouldn't get too excited about the Salina Journal's choices. I happen to agree with their choice at 130. However, a certain amount of this is simply hype, politics, and good for newspaper sales. Over the years I have seen a number of kids who truly should have been represented on teams the Journal selects - who were not. The best measure of a kids year (whether wrestling, football, basketball, etc) is not what the Journal thinks. The criteria for success is the same whether you finish first in state, or not, did you do your best and did you accomplish all you were able to. To allow a newspaper to determine the value of a kids efforts is probably not best.
not to mention that Saline County residents usually get the benefit of the doubt in the poll!
Zouzas is a good example, but in 1987 Lance Shepard of Hoxie beat Wes Harding (SE Saline)in the 3-2-1a state finals - which was the only meeting between the two. But the Salina Journal placed Harding on their 1st Team and Shepard on their 2nd Team. Controversial win? Probably - especially from Saline County's perspective - but it was a head-to-head win for Shepard none-the-less.
Moral of the story - subscriptions pay the bills for a newspaper and you can bet that Saline county athletes are going to get the benefit of the doubt - because Saline County boasts the largest circulation rate of western Kansas communities.
martin is much more than an honerable mention wrestler, he beat johnson a 2 time state champ, he beat him 3 times in a row, he also beat grater who beat zousus, yea, lien beat johnson, but he only won by 2 points, whippy, lets see lien do it two more times now, it would be a different outcome, zouzus and martin never wrestled, however grater beat him and martin beat grater, whether he was sick or not it doesn't matter, sickness is not criteria for all area wrestling, a loss is a loss no matter how u look at it, 3 of the 4 losses of johnson were from martin, martin ,lost once to johnson and once to mcreynolds whick doesn't matter, whether it should have been zouzus or martin? who knows, but one of the two should have been second team, johnson most definetly should have been an honorable mention
I realize that placing at state is probally the main criteria for getting on the all area squad but i would have like to seen Brandon Hickel from Trego and Reidel from Quinter on there. They both had outstanding years and they both beat O'brien from Oakley who was the state runner up. but the fact remains that the all area team is good publicity for wrestling. Just my opion. thanx
4A state was much more difficult at 160. Haussermann soundly beat Gardner at the last tournament for regional, so I doubt he improved that much before state. Haussermann had also beat Schenk, the 321A runner-up approximately 4 times.
I think the Salina Journal did a great job on picking the best wrestlers. The choice at 160 was correct. I got to see Hausserman wrestle at the Panther Classic when he wrestled Gardner. It was a great match and Hausserman came out on top. The choice at 130 was correct as well. I was in favor of the choice. Same with the choice with Travis Martin as honorable mention. He did have a great season, I won't take that away from him, but he talked about himself way too much and thought he was almost untouchable and I was glad in seeing Johnson beat him at State. I enjoyed watching it and I'm sure everybody else did as well.
JUST A GUESS! But maybe the Journal was
having just as much a debate over this
as you are. Who beat who, here and, who
beat who there. Who lost when they were
sick, and who just got beat. MAYBE, just
a guess here, but maybe Martin just lost
the coin toss on who was 1st, 2nd, or HM.
130 was tough across the board, they are
all outstanding.
Hey wrestlingfan3645, just wondering why you enjoyed Nick beat Travis at state, and why you think everyone else did as well. I happen to know Travis very well, and I was not aware that he was saying anything about being untouchable. We really need to keep the put downs off of here and just keep the talk to opinions without any putdowns. We are talking about a group of very good atheletes here and lets keep it fun. By the way who are you and where are you from? Thanks!!
OK Props to J.D. -- it was a hard decision. It is always a hard decision, to think that I just sit back and throw together some names is an insult! First and foremost understand that I wrestled in high school, albeit very poorly, but I was and am and always will be a wrestler and a huge wrestling fan. Without a doubt the decisions at 130 and 140 were extremely difficult. Honestly, the decision at 160 wasn't all that tough because Hausserman beat Gardner this year. They weren't in the same state tournament. Had Hausserman still be in 3-2-1A this year, I have little doubt that he would be a state champion this year. He wasn't in 3-2-1A, but he is the best 160-pounder from North Central and Northwest Kansas this year and those are the wrestlers that are considered for All-Area.
140, we eventually came to the conclusion that we would not make a decision and named both Eric Johnson and Shawn Drennan because there was no way to determine between the two of them. They had almost identical records, they have never wrestled and they are both state champions. Johnson had the intangible of being a two-time state champion but Drennan had the intangible of defeating Pyle at state. It was a draw, we went with a tie.
At 130 I went back and forth but decided that Lukas Zouzas was the top wrestler at this point in time but Travis Martin, Nick Johnson and Zouzas were all outstanding this year. We don't simply look at the state tournament, that is obvious by our selection at 160. But you have to give it a lot of weight. It is the most recent tournament you have to judge wrestlers on. It is the tournament used to crown the person who will forever be known as a state champion, which is undoubtedly the goal of every wrestler that steps on to a mat back in November. If two wrestlers meet up at state there is no way that I am going to go against the winner there. That is the most recent match, it is undoubtedly the most important of the year and when all things are considered there is going to be a lot of weight put into what happens at the state tournament. Therefore I put Johnson on the second team and Casual Observer's son, Travis Martin, on honorable mention. It was, and is, the proper choice for this year.
As for Les Brown's comments that we give extra weight to Saline County athletes, I have to disagree. When it comes to coverage we have to give extra weight to Saline County events, but when it comes to All-Area teams, we try to look at it on an even playing field. Zouzas was selected as the top wrestler at 130 because I believe him to be just that, the fact that he is from Salina South had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it outside of the fact that Salina South is in our readership area. As for the selection of Wes Harding way back when, I can't speak for that. I was still in high school at that point counting lights inside some gymnasium somewhere as a referees hand slapped a mat once again. But for the past three years, the amount of time I have been in charge of selecting All-Area teams I have never, and I mean never, given extra credence to a Saline County athlete for an all-area team. Zouzas deserved it, he was on the all-area team.
Thank you for letting me vent,
Christian D Orr
Thank you for posting your message. I kind of knew that the state tournament did hold a lot of weight as far as the selections were concerned, and it really should, this probably was one of the more difficult picks of all at 130 and really if you think about it, it is just another opinion, but I have to honor that and know that there is no bias. That should put an end to this subject, it was getting to the point where it was not intended to be. Thank you very much again, and good luck to all wrestlers this summer and next year!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Orr, while I have long respected your journalistic ability (I was @ FHSU and in Hays at the same time you were) and also respect your opinion, I chose to stand by my comment. To your credit, as you referenced, the bulk of the experience I have drawn from began in the late 1980's - which was before your arrival at the Journal.
Would also throw out an observation. Nick Johnson has a proven ability to turn it up a notch at state. While he works hard all year, it seems apparent that his best wrestling is reserved for the season finale - eg 2x champ & 1x runner-up. Again, just an observation, but one that I find valid in this debate - since he does seem to come out on top when it matters most.
hi, this is Travis Martin, I was just wondering what the criteria was for all-area, now we all know, thanks, Nick and Luke are very good wrestlers and anyone could have been all-area, its just a paper, there are no complaits , thanks
hey wrestling fan 3645, this is travis m, if u knew me at all u would know that i think that i am far from untouchable, i get nervous just like everyone else and take everyone serious and no one lightly, someone is always out to get u, during the season my sister's name was 130tm and she was making comments about me, i put an end to that when i found out because everyone though i was talking aqbout myself like i was untouchable, if anything i talk about other oponents that are tough, u liked to see nick beat me at state, ok thats fair, i don't blame u, i have been in ur position too so i understand, i usually go for the underdog to, thanks now we have everything clear
just out of curiosity who were the picks for the all-area team. I missed that paper.
Could someone please post the all area wrestling team/second team/honorable mentions. I'm very interested and it's hard to get this information overseas.
Thanks
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I know what MO is feeling, I'm at college in Central Oklahoma and the people at the "high and mighty" Salina journal can't even get updated info on there site, especially in the sport of wrestling.
to get the all area team go to
http://www.saljournal.com then click on search the archives, go to 2002 then 6 april then down to sports click on "to the victores the whole article is there.
To all those too cheap to subscribe and then whine on here about the fact you didn't see the all-area team, It is posted on the internet at this address:
http://www.saljournal.com/stories/040602/prep_genWrestle.shtml
To the Salina Journal:
I apoligize if you think I'm too cheap and whining because I wanted the info on the internet rather than subscribing to your paper.
I would think that payment could be considered being deployed overseas with an infantry unit at half my normal pay to protect among other things, freedom of the press.
I WILL NOT RENEW MY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE JOURNAL WHEN I GET BACK!
1SG Moberly
C Co. 2-137 IN
To the above post:
Thanks for all that you do. I guess sometimes people speak before they think. Please continue your outstanding job in protecting our rights abroad.
It's too bad that we are intellectual beings (somewhat) because if we were in the animal world, we'd kick SJ out of the herd......then probably eat 'em.
gibby
I noticed that Doug Campbell of Hoxie and Scott Wise of Plainville were named to the all area team. They are both deserving of this honor, however I think you may have overlooked one young man. Tyler Coleman of Remington placed 3rd at the 3A-1A state tournament. Tyler also beat Campbell and placed higher than both Campbell and Wise.
Coach Hasseltine...Remington is not in the Salina Journal coverage area. All other wrestlers and teams are.
MO --
The post most certainly was not intended for you but more for Aaron Sweazy who took a shot at us saying we can't get updated on the internet when it has been on the internet since the day it ran in the paper. I certainly do appreciate very much what you are doing for the entire country over seas. I certainly did not take your post as though you were whining, Sweazy's however, to me, it did seem as though he was. The information has been on the website since day one, he couldn't find it so he bashed us. I simply didn't think that was a fair comment on his part. I am sorry for offending you.
Thanks again, and sorry.
Salina Journal,
In the defense of Aaron Sweazy (who I personally know), the article was and is difficult to find on the Salina Journal webpage. You do have to hunt for what you are looking for, whether that is intentional or not, who knows. You can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there is a direct link to the preps page where all the articles on high school athletics are listed. When you do go to the preps page, all you find is basketball and football. Maybe that is what sells papers. I do not subscribe to the Journal, but I do read the paper, I most often pick it up in the morning before I go to school. Does that make me too cheap.
Keep it real Chris.
Brent Lane
Hey Salina Journal, you stepped up and did the right thing. Sometimes our pride gets in the way of us doing the right thing, but you did good. I remember someone once telling me that two wrongs do not make a right. We all need a little encouragement every now and then. One question though, why do you wait so long to put the all area wrestlers in the paper, it seems that basketball just gets over and the next week or so the all area team is in the paper. Thanks.
That's fine that Coleman did not get placed on the all area team if our school is not in your area. We are 1.5 hrs south of Salina. I see that Hoxie, Plainville, and Goodland have people on that list. I am certain that they are all farther from Salina than our school. But if the Salina Journal's coverage area goes that far east and west, and not south, so be it.
I was wondering that too? Could you define your area?
Thank You.
Our area runs basically from about Abilene all the way to Colorado and about 30 miles south of I-70 up to Nebraska.
As for why it takes so long to get the all-area team in the paper it is a matter of getting the time to get it put together. The Monday after the state wrestling tournament, sub-state basketball starts and then you go right into state basketball. I have to be at those events as well to cover those which does not allow me the time in the office to get everything put together, get the kids together for the photo and so on. This year we had intended to run the all-area teams one week earlier but when KU qualified for the Final Four we had to put it on hold a week because we needed the space out front to cover the Jayhawks. KU in the Final Four was obviously a very large story that couldn't be downplayed but I did not want the all-area teams to play second-fiddle to something else in the paper. We felt it was better to simply hold a week so that it could be the main focus of that day's paper.