Kansas Wrestling
Posted By: ike 2010 All-American List (former KS HS wrestlers) - 03/07/10 08:16 PM
NJCAA:

125 lb. 5th place - Colin Hase of Labette Community College by way of Silver Lake

125 lb. 8th place - Jesse Barber of Pratt Community College by way of Dodge City

157 lb. National Champ - Chase Nelson of Labette Community College by way of Wichita Heights

197 lb. 7th place - Nick Kriss of Colby Community College by way of Colby

HWT 8th place - Jake Kober of Neosho Community College by way of Santa Fe Trail

NCAA DIII:

133 lb. 5th place - Nick Nothern of Cornell College by way of Salina South

149 lb. 6th place - Jason Pyle of Luther College by way of Sabetha

HWT 8th place - Allyn Plattner of Luther College by way of Sabetha


NAIA:

157 lb. 4th place - Joe Cornejo of Missouri Valley College by way of Campus HS and Labette CC

174 lb. 5th place - Jameon Rush of Hastings College by way of Clay Center
Updated List In Order of Championship Date:

NJCAA:

125 lb. 5th place - Colin Hase of Labette Community College by way of Silver Lake

125 lb. 8th place - Jesse Barber of Pratt Community College by way of Dodge City

157 lb. National Champ - Chase Nelson of Labette Community College by way of Wichita Heights

197 lb. 7th place - Nick Kriss of Colby Community College by way of Colby

HWT 8th place - Jake Kober of Neosho Community College by way of Santa Fe Trail

NCAA DIII:

133 lb. 5th place - Nick Nothern of Cornell College by way of Salina South

149 lb. 6th place - Jason Pyle of Luther College by way of Sabetha

HWT 8th place - Allyn Plattner of Luther College by way of Sabetha

NAIA:

157 lb. 4th place - Joe Cornejo of Missouri Valley College by way of Campus HS and Labette CC

174 lb. 5th place - Jameon Rush of Hastings College by way of Clay Center

NCWA

165 lb. National Champ – Aaron Hynick of Wichita State University by way of Rose Hill and Labette CC

HWT 3rd place – Cameron Adcox of Kansas State University by way of Tonganoxie

133 lb. 8th place - Raymond Ramirez of University of Texas – Arlington by way of Wellsville, Labette CC and Neosho CC

NCAA DII

125 lb. 5th place Tommy Edgmon of Fort Hays State University by way of Goddard, Pratt CC and Neosho CC

133 lb. 2nd place Cody Garcia of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Hutchison

141 lb. 5th place Cory Bloodgood of University of Central Missouri by way of Spring Hill

157 lb. 5th place Danny Grater of Fort Hays State University by way of Clay Center

174 lb. 7th place Matt Bailes of University of Central Missouri by way of KC Turner

184 lb. 3rd place Derek Ross of University of Nebraska-Kearney by way of St. Francis

197 lb. 3rd place Jacob Marrs of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Clay Center

*HWT National Champ Elijah Madison of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Salina?

Great list, and I'm sure more will be added after the D1 championships. BTW, it's NCWA. Thanks.
Updated List In Order of Championship Date:

NJCAA:

125 lb. 5th place - Colin Hase of Labette Community College by way of Silver Lake

125 lb. 8th place - Jesse Barber of Pratt Community College by way of Dodge City

157 lb. National Champ - Chase Nelson of Labette Community College by way of Wichita Heights

197 lb. 7th place - Nick Kriss of Colby Community College by way of Colby

HWT 8th place - Jake Kober of Neosho Community College by way of Santa Fe Trail

NCAA DIII:

133 lb. 5th place - Nick Nothern of Cornell College by way of Salina South

149 lb. 6th place - Jason Pyle of Luther College by way of Sabetha

HWT 8th place - Allyn Plattner of Luther College by way of Sabetha

NAIA:

157 lb. 4th place - Joe Cornejo of Missouri Valley College by way of Campus HS and Labette CC

174 lb. 5th place - Jameon Rush of Hastings College by way of Clay Center

NCWA

165 lb. National Champ – Aaron Hynick of Wichita State University by way of Rose Hill and Labette CC

HWT 3rd place – Cameron Adcox of Kansas State University by way of Tonganoxie

133 lb. 8th place - Raymond Ramirez of University of Texas – Arlington by way of Wellsville, Labette CC and Neosho CC

NCAA DII

125 lb. 5th place Tommy Edgmon of Fort Hays State University by way of Goddard, Pratt CC and Neosho CC

133 lb. 2nd place Cody Garcia of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Hutchison

141 lb. 5th place Cory Bloodgood of University of Central Missouri by way of Spring Hill

157 lb. 5th place Danny Grater of Fort Hays State University by way of Clay Center

174 lb. 7th place Matt Bailes of University of Central Missouri by way of KC Turner

184 lb. 3rd place Derek Ross of University of Nebraska-Kearney by way of St. Francis

197 lb. 3rd place Jacob Marrs of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Clay Center

*HWT National Champ Elijah Madison of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Salina?


NCAA DI

165 lb. 5th place Tyler Caldwell of Oklahoma University by way of Goddard
Fantastic interview on the tv from Cody Garcia ... great young man who credited a lot of his success to his father!! Also, a short interview with the Marrs bar ... and photo of Taplin, Marrs, and Garcia!!
Your list is way cool! Thanks Ike. I like Ike! grin

Originally Posted By: ike
Updated List In Order of Championship Date:

NJCAA:

125 lb. 5th place - Colin Hase of Labette Community College by way of Silver Lake

125 lb. 8th place - Jesse Barber of Pratt Community College by way of Dodge City

157 lb. National Champ - Chase Nelson of Labette Community College by way of Wichita Heights

197 lb. 7th place - Nick Kriss of Colby Community College by way of Colby

HWT 8th place - Jake Kober of Neosho Community College by way of Santa Fe Trail

NCAA DIII:

133 lb. 5th place - Nick Nothern of Cornell College by way of Salina South

149 lb. 6th place - Jason Pyle of Luther College by way of Sabetha

HWT 8th place - Allyn Plattner of Luther College by way of Sabetha

NAIA:

157 lb. 4th place - Joe Cornejo of Missouri Valley College by way of Campus HS and Labette CC

174 lb. 5th place - Jameon Rush of Hastings College by way of Clay Center

NCWA

165 lb. National Champ – Aaron Hynick of Wichita State University by way of Rose Hill and Labette CC

HWT 3rd place – Cameron Adcox of Kansas State University by way of Tonganoxie

133 lb. 8th place - Raymond Ramirez of University of Texas – Arlington by way of Wellsville, Labette CC and Neosho CC

NCAA DII

125 lb. 5th place Tommy Edgmon of Fort Hays State University by way of Goddard, Pratt CC and Neosho CC

133 lb. 2nd place Cody Garcia of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Hutchison

141 lb. 5th place Cory Bloodgood of University of Central Missouri by way of Spring Hill

157 lb. 5th place Danny Grater of Fort Hays State University by way of Clay Center

174 lb. 7th place Matt Bailes of University of Central Missouri by way of KC Turner

184 lb. 3rd place Derek Ross of University of Nebraska-Kearney by way of St. Francis

197 lb. 3rd place Jacob Marrs of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Clay Center

*HWT National Champ Elijah Madison of University of Nebraska-Omaha by way of Salina?


NCAA DI

165 lb. 5th place Tyler Caldwell of Oklahoma University by way of Goddard

I'm not sure I am happy with our AA numbers!

Some, would have you believe that Kansas Wrestling is knocking on heavens door but I suggest that our lack of D1 AA's ... suggest we have a long way to go!!

Not to demean the efforts of our Kansas D1 wrestlers but why aren't we (Kansas) performing better? There undoubtedly are a ton of factors but Caldwell at 5th is the only Kansan representing D1!!

Are we on par with Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Iowa, Ohio, etc ... ??? I think we are far from reaching the levels of the top 10 states ... we (Kansas HS's and Kansas Kids Clubs) need to do a better job!!!

Perhaps this years crop of High School seniors will turn the corner!! Perhaps our showing at the Senior Nationals will show we have arrived!! I hope so!
Randy,

I think that is a valid concern. A few of my thoughts on this:

* A few of the qualifiers just didn't perform at their best level this year.
* I think last years (2009 seniors) crop will blossom in the next few years.
* I think success needs to be gauged in terms of per capita (wrestlers not population). Idaho produced 5 All-Americans this year in D1 (counting Rosholt) and I'm guessing they don't even have the numbers KS does.
* DII has pulled a kid or two with D1 potential away.
* Not having an in-state D1 program has to hurt a little.
I thought this is a down year for KS Seniors, no?
Originally Posted By: ike
Randy,

I think that is a valid concern. A few of my thoughts on this:

* A few of the qualifiers just didn't perform at their best level this year.
* I think last years (2009 seniors) crop will blossom in the next few years.
* I think success needs to be gauged in terms of per capita (wrestlers not population). Idaho produced 5 All-Americans this year in D1 (counting Rosholt) and I'm guessing they don't even have the numbers KS does.
* DII has pulled a kid or two with D1 potential away.
* Not having an in-state D1 program has to hurt a little.






I agree with you that other D-1 Kansas wrestlers from the 2009 class along with Caldwell will become All Americans over the next few years.

I also really agree with you that not having an in-state D-1 program hurts us in developing D-1 All American wrestlers. The exposure you have from having a program in state would be a great incentive to young wrestlers to work hard to become a Division 1 wrestler. It would also offer more opportunities for Kansas wrestlers to participate in a D-1 program. It would be a lot less expensive for them to walk on at Wichita State, Kansas State or KU than an out state school. I looked at Nebraska. It has ten Nebraska wrestlers on its roster and one of them Craig Brester is a former walk on. He finished his career yesterday as a three time All American, including being a two time finalist. It is possible over the years that Kansas has had several D-1 wrestlers with All American potential like Craig Brester and these athletes never thought about wrestling D-1 due to a lack of D-1 wrestling opportunity at Kansas universities.

I do want to add congratulations to Tyler Caldwell and to all the Kansas college wrestlers who achieved All American status at every level of college wrestling Junior College, D-I, D-II, D-III, NAIA and Club. It is quite an accomplishment to achieve All American honors at all these levels. Even though it would be great to have D-I opportunities in Kansas it is encouraging to see college opportunities at the other levels growing at Kansas colleges and to see so many of our former Kansas high school wrestlers wrestling at these Kansas colleges.
maple, koehn, napier will soon be a/a too. just a few, i know there will be more.
I like the fact this list is prompting a discussion of how to elevate KS wrestling! What are the core issues driving percieved low AA numbers? Is it as simple as just talking more about college wrestling around high school wrestlers? I don't recall the stat but I know that just speaking of going to college in the home increases the likelihood that child will go to college. Plans and dreams have to start somewhere.

Congratulations to the All American's this year. There are some other guys waiting in the wings. Erisman has another shot too!
Originally Posted By: ike
I thought this is a down year for KS Seniors, no?


I also think that this is a down year, last years group was much stronger!
Ike,

I would have to agree that taking the time to mention college wrestling is huge! I also believe that getting on them young about it raises the likely hood of success at the college level is even more important. There are not many Chase Nelson's who are just natural freaks and can start when they are freshman and compete at high levels.

I truly believe coaching has a lot to do with it. A lot of people think they can buy their bronze card and put on a T-shirt and coach at the kids level. Here, the basics are then being taught wrong and the foundation has been built poorly. I believe there are a lack of good kids club coaches in the state. I also believe there are a lack of good high school coaches. This is not to put down anybody, but instead say that we need more wrestlers giving back to the wrestling community so the science teacher with the pocket protector does not have to be forced to coach the sport.

There are a lot of other factors as well with this such as "Kids have changed", "Multi-sport athletes focusing on wrestling last", etc.

Also, a man who wrestled in college 10-20-30 years ago is not the know it all of the sport. He must be willing to change, improve himself, and evolve with the sport! There are just some things that don't work like they used too. We need to focus our kids on what is working now and get them ready. Finishing shots is different, top game has changed, getting off bottom is still vital as ever but a lot harder with how hard people are focusing on riding.

Just a thought.. Off to work smile
Kansas is doing ok. It is hard to compare Kansas to Penn, Ohio, New Jersey, and the like. They have tens of thousands more wrestlers in those states than we have here. Sheer numbers alone make the probability of them running those kinds of placers compared to ours, understandable. It is pretty difficult for a Kansas kid to go to some of these powerhouse schools when most of the time they have to nearly walk on (see Brester of Nebraska). In that way it hurts not to have a DI school here in the state. As far as development of quality wrestlers I see no reason why that would be a factor with OU, OSU, MU, and Neb so close and providing so much in the way of resources.
Originally Posted By: Westfahl
Kansas is doing ok. It is hard to compare Kansas to Penn, Ohio, New Jersey, and the like. They have tens of thousands more wrestlers in those states than we have here. Sheer numbers alone make the probability of them running those kinds of placers compared to ours, understandable. It is pretty difficult for a Kansas kid to go to some of these powerhouse schools when most of the time they have to nearly walk on (see Brester of Nebraska). In that way it hurts not to have a DI school here in the state. As far as development of quality wrestlers I see no reason why that would be a factor with OU, OSU, MU, and Neb so close and providing so much in the way of resources.


A glaring problem with Knsas wretling is the lack of former D1 wrestlers coaching our HS athletes. In Iowa there are a bunch! In KS I think we have 1...
as i have stated in other posts pennsylvania has a ton of ncaa d1 and d2 teams. think of the summer camps and exposure those kids have to college wrestlers and coaches. compare it to ks. wow.
Originally Posted By: Westfahl
Kansas is doing ok. It is hard to compare Kansas to Penn, Ohio, New Jersey, and the like. They have tens of thousands more wrestlers in those states than we have here. Sheer numbers alone make the probability of them running those kinds of placers compared to ours, understandable. It is pretty difficult for a Kansas kid to go to some of these powerhouse schools when most of the time they have to nearly walk on (see Brester of Nebraska). In that way it hurts not to have a DI school here in the state. As far as development of quality wrestlers I see no reason why that would be a factor with OU, OSU, MU, and Neb so close and providing so much in the way of resources.


Have you considered the walk ons? How many can afford the out of state tuition at any of the schools you have mentioned so they can walk on? If we had a D1 program at WSU we would have as many walk ons as scholarship wrestlers. Then we might develop a Craig Brester or two. Some of the WSU Wrestling grads would stay in KS and coach hS. The bar would get raised. KMC had a D1 National Champ for a head coach and they were a dynasty. Everyone worked harder to beat them. The bar was raised. We need that to be happening right now.
seaman high school has a gable trained D1 coach in pat kelley. also all-american @ UNO.
i'm sure there are more D1 trained assistant and head coaches in KS. where are they now?
You all are correct. Not having a D1 program in the state is the root issue. There's a guy I know that was a HS state champ and 4-time placer. He wanted to wrestle D1 for MU back when their program wasn't quite as good as it is now. He elected to wrestle ju-co for a couple years, and I watched one match where he beat a 4-time OK state champ by 6pts. He was a ju-co finalist too, but they still wouldn't give him a scholarship. So, he didn't go. What do you do?

Plus, if we had an in-state D1 program, there would be more D1 trained coaches in KS. It all stems from the same issue, I believe.
So, is it possible for a Non-Division I wrestler to coach and put out Division I talent? Or can only Division I athletes coach D-I caliber athletes?????? Just a thought?
Originally Posted By: FalconCoach
So, is it possible for a Non-Division I wrestler to coach and put out Division I talent? Or can only Division I athletes coach D-I caliber athletes?????? Just a thought?


I wish we had a "like" button as on Facebook. I had the same thoughts earlier about some of the DII guys who should be returning to Kansas to teach & coach very soon. I think they will be a big asset to the Kansas wrestling community.
the biggest issue in my opinion that puts kansas behind the other states is the two months we fall behind each year by KSHSAA not allowing HS coaches to run freestyle workouts. Having coached in Oklahoma for several years I can guarantee you that well over half of the HS coaches down there are running workouts 2 to 3 times per week and attending a tournament every weekend in OKC or Tulsa throughout the months of April and May. If a KS HS freshman and an Oklahoma HS Freshman start out at the same level, by the time they are graduating seniors the Oklahoma kid has the opporotunity to be 8 months ahead of the KS kid that is dang near 2 full seasons. I think kansas kids and kansas coaches do an excellent job of keeping up with our neighboring states considering the hamstringing KSHSAA gives us.

oh and I think that Falcon was being sarcastic
Totally opposite scenario...

There were a few seniors in MO with which I worked out while they were training for freestyle tournaments a few years ago. They were all decent -- one guy ended up wrestling for CMSU and the other two ended up wrestling for MU. The guy with the least credentials became a national champ last year for MU. I don't believe he even had a HS state championship, although he did get a freestyle state championship. That scenario wouldn't happen for a KS wrestler, unless he/she wants to pay his/her own way.
Originally Posted By: Mahan
oh and I think that Falcon was being sarcastic

No I don't think so! And you might want to check where Oklahoma typically finishes in comparison to Kansas at Senior Nationals each year.
Originally Posted By: FalconCoach
So, is it possible for a Non-Division I wrestler to coach and put out Division I talent? Or can only Division I athletes coach D-I caliber athletes?????? Just a thought?


no one is taking anything away from any coach in kansas. of course you have coached d1 talent. din't mean to russle your feathers falcon coach. read closer, to what i have posted, the undeniable difference in numbers between these state we are being compared to is unbelievable. pennsylvania and ohio are very close in proximity,west to east/ border to border/ between the two isn't as much as kansas (i didn't have time to look it up, haha). but penn has over 30 ncaa schools with wrestling, i think ohio has 5. not all of the wrestlers/ coaches are from those states. but geography and population alone, give those wrestlers a 35/0, better exposure to d1 talent. not just coaches, wrestlers too, you know as well as i do, in this sport, you should learn from everyone. certainly exposure goes farther than learning, it also counts is recruiting, scholarships, commradarie, etc.

you cannot deny, the numbers are stacked against ks kids. does that mean, we won't have d1 wrestlers certainly not, it's just going to be tough, and i didn't think it was fair to put it all on the kids, like it seems some have done. sorry for any hard feelings.
I think exposure is certainly a part of the equation. That is something that KS Wrestling as a group could easily work on. A simple mailing to College coaches with stats, video, etc. I think that would create opportunity.
Originally Posted By: HEADUP
Originally Posted By: FalconCoach
So, is it possible for a Non-Division I wrestler to coach and put out Division I talent? Or can only Division I athletes coach D-I caliber athletes?????? Just a thought?


no one is taking anything away from any coach in kansas. of course you have coached d1 talent. din't mean to russle your feathers falcon coach. read closer, to what i have posted, the undeniable difference in numbers between these state we are being compared to is unbelievable. pennsylvania and ohio are very close in proximity,west to east/ border to border/ between the two isn't as much as kansas (i didn't have time to look it up, haha). but penn has over 30 ncaa schools with wrestling, i think ohio has 5. not all of the wrestlers/ coaches are from those states. but geography and population alone, give those wrestlers a 35/0, better exposure to d1 talent. not just coaches, wrestlers too, you know as well as i do, in this sport, you should learn from everyone. certainly exposure goes farther than learning, it also counts is recruiting, scholarships, commradarie, etc.

you cannot deny, the numbers are stacked against ks kids. does that mean, we won't have d1 wrestlers certainly not, it's just going to be tough, and i didn't think it was fair to put it all on the kids, like it seems some have done. sorry for any hard feelings.



Oh, I did not get my feathers ruffled at all.. I was simply asking a question? I was actually cracking a joke more than anything.

I truly believe if Coaches, no matter what caliber, dedicate to becoming better and educating themselves they will evolve with the sport. I believe if a coach is o.k. with asking another coach a question without feeling less than them will become great. The coach that scares me is the one that is still doing the same things we did 10-20 years ago... There are a lot of factors that are sometimes out of coaches hands when it comes to putting together a DI athlete... Money, Time, Diet, Grades, resources etc are a lot of times hard for coaches and athletes which restricts them. That is what makes the true DI athlete special!

A coach is merely a salesman to College programs. I have to do everything I can... ethically and honestly, to sell that athlete to a school. Email, Film, Stats and simple phone calls are huge. DI Coaches are always looking... They just sometimes need help finding the gold that is out there!
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